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OfflineBitter Cactus
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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22221971 - 09/11/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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It's still a high. You really have no room to argue that.

Do you think prescription opiates are making heroin addicts for no reason? Do you think prescription drugs don't cause withdrawal?




It's not getting high.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22221975 - 09/11/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, no one uses it recreationally because it doesn't get you high.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22221978 - 09/11/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Does someone with anxiety take their prescribed 0.25mg of clonazapam to get high?


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22221982 - 09/11/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
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XLCaps said:
It's still a high. You really have no room to argue that.

Do you think prescription opiates are making heroin addicts for no reason? Do you think prescription drugs don't cause withdrawal?




It's not getting high.



taking psychoactive drugs from a doctor to cover up health/mental issues instead of solving them

taking psychoactive drugs from a dealer to cover up health/mental issues instead of solving them

XLCaps you are so stupid. The two are completely different and unrelated

Jk; BC your logic is too strong. It blows my mind that you are serious and not joking :mindblown:


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22221987 - 09/11/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I have known people with prescribed benzos and they took it to get high.

My uncles is on all sorts of painkillers for a legitimate reason, he does in fact get high.

Your body is reacting to a substance in your body. It is a high.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: topdog82]
    #22221988 - 09/11/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Going to your dealer and self medicating and saying it is the same as going to the doctor is retarded. You are not a medical professional buddy.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22221991 - 09/11/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Does someone with anxiety take their prescribed 0.25mg of clonazapam to get high?



unless they have tried every natural means and it has failed completely than I guess

IMO not being able to focus your mind on a given task is a serious mental/health issue that needs to be addressed (Im referring to adhd)


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22221994 - 09/11/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
I have known people with prescribed benzos and they took it to get high.

My uncles is on all sorts of painkillers for a legitimate reason, he does in fact get high.

Your body is reacting to a substance in your body. It is a high.



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Bitter Cactus said:
Going to your dealer and self medicating and saying it is the same as going to the doctor is retarded. You are not a medical professional buddy.



I agree BC. Anything your doctor gives you makes it healthy

This is the most retarded logic in the planet. Hoenstly...


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22221998 - 09/11/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Going to your dealer and self medicating and saying it is the same as going to the doctor is retarded. You are not a medical professional buddy.



Doctors prescribe contradictory dosages all the fucking time. A lot of doctors know less about these drugs than we do. Look up some health canada reports  some of those drugs are blacked out like a classified file.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22222005 - 09/11/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
I have known people with prescribed benzos and they took it to get high.

My uncles is on all sorts of painkillers for a legitimate reason, he does in fact get high.

Your body is reacting to a substance in your body. It is a high.




After failure of all other medication options, my doctor opted to give me a 4 gram per day prescription for medical cannabis.
It's not me getting high, it's just me getting back to the level of everyone else.

:pipesmoke:


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22222006 - 09/11/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Once you go to school for eight years and get your medical license to prescribe stuff then I might believe you.

Being a self medicating drug user and acting like you know more then a doctor is ridiculous. You do not have the qualifications to self diagnose and prescribe yourself medications.

Your line of thinking is a classic drug user/ abuser rationalization.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22222008 - 09/11/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
Going to your dealer and self medicating and saying it is the same as going to the doctor is retarded. You are not a medical professional buddy.



Doctors prescribe contradictory dosages all the fucking time. A lot of doctors know less about these drugs than we do. Look up some health canada reports  some of those drugs are blacked out like a classified file.



My doctor gave me high dosages of ritalin and adderall. Once I complained about poor sleep he precribed high dosages of xanax. Once I had my wisdom teeth taken out, I was taking vicodin, xanax, and adderall in heavy dosages. I was basically wired or messed up 24/7 for a few months

But the doctor prescribed it so it is okay

:goodluckwiththat:


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22222018 - 09/11/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Once you go to school for eight years and get your medical license to prescribe stuff then I might believe you.

Being a self medicating drug user and acting like you know more then a doctor is ridiculous. You do not have the qualifications to self diagnose and prescribe yourself medications.

Your line of thinking is a classic drug user/ abuser rationalization.



Okay BC. I agree. Taking high dosages of vicodin, xanax, and Adderall is healthy because someone with a piece of paper said it was healthy!

It is so incredibly retarded I dont know what to say

You realize medical textbooks still teach things like the lipid hypothesis? The lipid hypothesis was disproven 300 years ago or something. having a degree doesnt make you a garunteed expert


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22222021 - 09/11/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Once you go to school for eight years and get your medical license to prescribe stuff then I might believe you.

Being a self medicating drug user and acting like you know more then a doctor is ridiculous. You do not have the qualifications to self diagnose and prescribe yourself medications.

Your line of thinking is a classic drug user/ abuser rationalization.



No, it's not. Are you not reading what I just said? Health Canada does not inform doctors about a lot of the drugs tey prescribe. These doctors get a memo saying "This can be prescribed for this." Then most start prescribing it and use the reactions from their patients to gauge how and when to use it. :dawerp:



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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #22222024 - 09/11/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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XLCaps said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
Once you go to school for eight years and get your medical license to prescribe stuff then I might believe you.

Being a self medicating drug user and acting like you know more then a doctor is ridiculous. You do not have the qualifications to self diagnose and prescribe yourself medications.

Your line of thinking is a classic drug user/ abuser rationalization.



No, it's not. Are you not reading what I just said? Health Canada does not inform doctors about a lot of the drugs tey prescribe. These doctors get a memo saying "This can be prescribed for this." Then most start prescribing it and use the reactions from their patients to gauge how and when to use it. :dawerp:





The western medical system means well. But to trust it's word as gospel is about as dumb as things can go


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: topdog82]
    #22222026 - 09/11/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
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XLCaps said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
Going to your dealer and self medicating and saying it is the same as going to the doctor is retarded. You are not a medical professional buddy.



Doctors prescribe contradictory dosages all the fucking time. A lot of doctors know less about these drugs than we do. Look up some health canada reports  some of those drugs are blacked out like a classified file.



My doctor gave me high dosages of ritalin and adderall. Once I complained about poor sleep he precribed high dosages of xanax. Once I had my wisdom teeth taken out, I was taking vicodin, xanax, and adderall in heavy dosages. I was basically wired or messed up 24/7 for a few months

But the doctor prescribed it so it is okay

:goodluckwiththat:




You have to communicate with your doctor and tell him the side effects and your concerns. If you never revisited him and told him what was happening after a few months then you are at fault.

Having an open line of communication with your doctor and finding out what treatment works for you is the best medical outcome.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22222034 - 09/11/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
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topdog82 said:
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XLCaps said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
Going to your dealer and self medicating and saying it is the same as going to the doctor is retarded. You are not a medical professional buddy.



Doctors prescribe contradictory dosages all the fucking time. A lot of doctors know less about these drugs than we do. Look up some health canada reports  some of those drugs are blacked out like a classified file.



My doctor gave me high dosages of ritalin and adderall. Once I complained about poor sleep he precribed high dosages of xanax. Once I had my wisdom teeth taken out, I was taking vicodin, xanax, and adderall in heavy dosages. I was basically wired or messed up 24/7 for a few months

But the doctor prescribed it so it is okay

:goodluckwiththat:




You have to communicate with your doctor and tell him the side effects and your concerns. If you never revisited him and told him what was happening after a few months then you are at fault.

Having an open line of communication with your doctor and finding out what treatment works for you is the best medical outcome.



So now you are saying it's not the doctor's fault if they fuck up. I thought they were professionals who know what they are doing?


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #22222039 - 09/11/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
Going to your dealer and self medicating and saying it is the same as going to the doctor is retarded. You are not a medical professional buddy.



I don't want to break your heart but they don't know what they're doing either.  They guess and throw shit against the wall if and until something sticks.  Most of them will admit it if they are any good.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: topdog82]
    #22222041 - 09/11/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
Quote:

XLCaps said:
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Bitter Cactus said:
Once you go to school for eight years and get your medical license to prescribe stuff then I might believe you.

Being a self medicating drug user and acting like you know more then a doctor is ridiculous. You do not have the qualifications to self diagnose and prescribe yourself medications.

Your line of thinking is a classic drug user/ abuser rationalization.



No, it's not. Are you not reading what I just said? Health Canada does not inform doctors about a lot of the drugs tey prescribe. These doctors get a memo saying "This can be prescribed for this." Then most start prescribing it and use the reactions from their patients to gauge how and when to use it. :dawerp:





The western medical system means well. But to trust it's word as gospel is about as dumb as things can go



Yeah dude. People like BC don't realize that human trials are the prescriptions being handed out. It's like how they found out that some beta blockers were causing tons of deaths. The doctors deal out the human trials. A metric shit ton of the substances prescribed by doctors can't be proven to be any more effective or safe than a lot of the drugs people use to self medicate. Furthermore there are a lot of people that get ahold of prescription drugs to self medicate that otherwise couldn't get these drugs prescribed because maybe they don't have a doctor, or their doctor is a hard ass. Self medicating isn't advised but it has saved lives.


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Re: Quit Drugs....all of you [Re: Almond Flour]
    #22222045 - 09/11/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It is sad to see so many drug addicts here self medicating though.

Self medicating is the ultimate rationalization I see here to get high and it is shocking. Please contact your doctors and seek immediate professional medical attention if you are using street drugs to medicate for a real disorder.

Thank you.


But ya, if you are getting side effects from a medication you must contact your doctor and discuss your treatment options and what is working and not working. I do it with my doctors. Nobody knows how you will react to a certain medication, sometimes it is trial and error because we are all effected differently but it is done under proper medical supervision and done with caution.


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