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Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa
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Bernie Sanders now has passed Hillary Clinton in Iowa in the polls. It's only by 1%, but it's still a victory. Here's the article from CNN
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Bernie Sanders has drawn even with Hillary Clinton for the first time in Iowa, according to a new poll Thursday, underscoring the possibility that the once prohibitive Democratic favorite could lose both of the first two presidential contests.
Sanders edges Clinton 41% to 40% in a new survey by Quinnipiac University, overtaking the former secretary of state as she continues to be dogged by questions about her use of a private email server when she was in public office. Sanders trailed her by 21 points the last time Quinnipiac surveyed the field two months ago, and that margin has more or less held in surveys in Iowa throughout the summer -- until recently.
Vice President Joe Biden, who is mulling a late entry into the race, collected 12% support in Thursday's poll.
For Clinton, the poll will come as a sharp reminder of her 2008 race, when she also faltered in Iowa despite her once-inevitable nominee status. Clinton also trails Sanders in New Hampshire polling, the second nominating state.
Clinton still maintains solidly double-digit leads in national polls and remains the overwhelming favorite of the Democratic establishment. But Sanders' rise has injected new drama to the Democratic race.
"He is the candidate of the Democratic left, against his own party's bosses and their prized presidential candidate," explained Quinnipiac pollster Peter A. Brown. "Sanders has seized the momentum by offering a message more in line with disproportionately liberal primary and caucus voters."
Even if she were to ultimately lose Iowa and New Hampshire, Clinton's financial and political power could make her formidable in the states that vote next, especially in the south. But her ratings on key personality questions are giving some Democrats pause. Clinton chose to issue a formal apology this week for some of her email practices, but 30% of Democratic voters responding to the poll said they do not find her honest and trustworthy. Only 4% said the same was true of Sanders and 5% of Biden.
Former Maryland governor Martin O'Malley earned 3% support in the poll, and former Virginia senator Jim Webb won 1%. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island did not register in the survey.
Quinnipiac polled 832 likely Iowa caucus-goers between Aug. 27-Sept. 8 for a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-iowa-poll/
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
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Sanders - Trump 2016
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Patlal] 1
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Sanders isn't qualified to be president. He's way too sincere.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Sidestreet]
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Patlal said: Sanders - Trump 2016
That's honestly how it's looking out to be. Both underdogs and are lead by the need for some sort of real change. Both are kinda radicals, but not really. But it'd be one hell of a presidential debate. I feel like in a 1v1 debate, trump would lose on many points. I'd imagine he'd at least try to prepare pretty well for this debate though.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
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I like that he refuses to talk shit and I like his positions.
He makes it hard for interviewers to pull him off his message.
He did say that he wouldn't accept super PAC support. I mean, he can't really stop a super PAC from spending money on him. Would it be hard for him to keep up in a post-Citizens United billionaire-funded race without accepting big money? I don't know. People sure love him though.
I really like that he wants to keep out of the ISIS mess, especially at a time when some politicians seem intent on throwing us back into the endless cycle of war in the middle east.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Sidestreet]
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I've donated to him
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Sidestreet]
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Bernie's alright. At the end of the day tho he's still just fighting for a better oppression.Just a part of one of the two pro big business right wing parties. More protectionist than internationalist and minus the last twelve years of iraq/afghan can't really claim to be anti-war. In my best hopes tho he's the path of least resistance for some sort of meaningful change.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: airclay]
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Do you know of any of the issues Bernie Sanders is leading on? He is running against big corporations. He wants to tax the large corporations. He wants to break up the banks that are too big to fail. Free public college, free healthcare ect. He also voted against going to Iraq after 9/11.
Here's a site that highlights all of his issues! It'll go in detail through which one to pick. http://feelthebern.org/ (It was a site made by supporters of his campaign)
Also, he said he smoked weed 2 times, but it made him cough too much. He's supposed to be announcing his view on recreational marijuana very soon. He already supports medical marijuana.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
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Yes I actually saw him speak in Dallas. But, here this is where I pulled most that info of top from https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/16/sand-j16.html
Bernie is not a true leftist. He stands for the american liberal that has yet to realize, or merely refuses to, the problems they're fighting are systemic within capitalism. He wants to tax the profits of big business in order to make education and healthcare available. Great but, that still leaves the working class fractured and exploited. It's simply a better oppression.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: airclay]
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Should just post this is in the existing Bernie thread.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: airclay]
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airclay said: Yes I actually saw him speak in Dallas. But, here this is where I pulled most that info of top from https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/16/sand-j16.html
Bernie is not a true leftist. He stands for the american liberal that has yet to realize, or merely refuses to, the problems they're fighting are systemic within capitalism. He wants to tax the profits of big business in order to make education and healthcare available. Great but, that still leaves the working class fractured and exploited. It's simply a better oppression.
The problems are NOT systemic within capitalism. They are intrinsic to STATE CAPITALISM/SOCIALISM... that is, they become systemic problems in any economic system when the government gets too big and you have an Elite RUling Class supported by corporations. Obama's Administration is a fine example of a move to State Capitalism. government is too fucking big, and making it bigger makes the problem worse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: starfire_xes]
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A move to state capitalism? As if that wasn't the plan all along?
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Oh wait no I forgot the founding fathers were day laborers.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: The Ecstatic]
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state capitalism isn't the same thing as free market capitalism. state capitalism is also shown in its extreme as the final system that as in place before the collapse of the USSR.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: starfire_xes]
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I'm not sure I agree that what we have is state capitalism. In state capitalism, the government owns the means of production or "has considerable control over the allocation of credit and investment." I feel like those things are in private hands, which exert undue influence on or collude with government to gain favor at the expense of 95% of our people.
One of the things I like about what Bernie advocates is a move toward the social support structures of much of the modern world. You know, the places that lead the world in terms of health:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/04/03/24-7-wall-st-healthiest-countries/70859728/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_coverage_by_country
and education:
http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/09/11/the-most-educated-countries-in-the-world-3/
Yes, the US is one of the top ten countries for number of college degrees, but it is also by far the most expensive places to go to college. The burden of student loans has reached crisis level.
Bernie advocates that we join the rest of the civilized world and TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS. Which is just another way of saying take care of ourselves. He advocates holding the elite ruling class and the biggest companies accountable for the benefits they receive by virtue of living and doing business here. This implies a disruption of the collusion between government officials and big business.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: starfire_xes]
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@starfire
I'm aware of the differences. But we've had state capitalism and aristocracy from the beginning.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: The Ecstatic]
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No doubt. I think there's more aristocracy at play than the other though.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Sidestreet]
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Sidestreet said: He advocates holding the elite ruling class and the biggest companies accountable for the benefits they receive by virtue of living and doing business here. This implies a disruption of the collusion between government officials and big business.
I agree with that. How is he going to do it? Make government bigger and give them more power? 
its a noble and worthy goal, I agree. But growing government to fix the problem isn't going to work since oversized government, with a plethora of officials who get rich by having a slush fund of tax payer money to spend on companies, is the problem in the first place.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: starfire_xes]
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Sidestreet said: He advocates holding the elite ruling class and the biggest companies accountable for the benefits they receive by virtue of living and doing business here. This implies a disruption of the collusion between government officials and big business.
I agree with that. How is he going to do it? Make government bigger and give them more power? 
its a noble and worthy goal, I agree. But growing government to fix the problem isn't going to work since oversized government, with a plethora of officials who get rich by having a slush fund of tax payer money to spend on companies, is the problem in the first place.
Why does it have to be a slush fund? Legislating against corporate overreach doesn't mean someone just writes "Legislation X" on a bag of money and puts it in a room on Capitol Hill. The problem is the corporations are typically writing the legislation which allows loopholes.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The corporations don't write legislation. The Senate does. The Corporations don't control the flow of money. They House does. The corporations don't sign the bills into law. The president does.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: starfire_xes]
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And most of these people owe a lot of favors to corporate interests.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said: The corporations don't write legislation. The Senate does. The Corporations don't control the flow of money. They House does. The corporations don't sign the bills into law. The president does.
Actually the TPP was written, in large part, by citigroup, I believe.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: starfire_xes]
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Sidestreet said: He advocates holding the elite ruling class and the biggest companies accountable for the benefits they receive by virtue of living and doing business here. This implies a disruption of the collusion between government officials and big business.
I agree with that. How is he going to do it? Make government bigger and give them more power? 
its a noble and worthy goal, I agree. But growing government to fix the problem isn't going to work since oversized government, with a plethora of officials who get rich by having a slush fund of tax payer money to spend on companies, is the problem in the first place.
Fixing the problem isn't going to fix the problem? I disagree. The idea is to get big money out of Government and that's exactly what Bernie wants to do.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: starfire_xes]
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airclay said: Yes I actually saw him speak in Dallas. But, here this is where I pulled most that info of top from https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/16/sand-j16.html
Bernie is not a true leftist. He stands for the american liberal that has yet to realize, or merely refuses to, the problems they're fighting are systemic within capitalism. He wants to tax the profits of big business in order to make education and healthcare available. Great but, that still leaves the working class fractured and exploited. It's simply a better oppression.
The problems are NOT systemic within capitalism. They are intrinsic to STATE CAPITALISM/SOCIALISM... that is, they become systemic problems in any economic system when the government gets too big and you have an Elite RUling Class supported by corporations. Obama's Administration is a fine example of a move to State Capitalism. government is too fucking big, and making it bigger makes the problem worse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
I understand the sort of tomato/tom-ah-to argument here but, oppression is indeed systemic to capitalism. This exact set of problems at present may be the results of a move towards state capitalism but that's a whole other wormhole of a topic.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: airclay]
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Wait, a system based on exploitation is oppressive?
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yeah no shit.
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I've been talking about eliminating legal bribery, aka big money in politics since way back. Its nice that the left is slowly coming around to that concept as well. Hitlery is a prime example of a bought and sold politician. She has taken many millions from special interests including foreign countries. That's where her loyalty lies, not with the American people.
Sanders is better than jeb or hill, he has some good ideas and some nutty ones. Trump has good ideas, but has not fleshed out his position on everything. He will be a new broom when he gets in and will sweep clean.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: I've been talking about eliminating legal bribery, aka big money in politics since way back. Its nice that the left is slowly coming around to that concept as well.
The left has been there long before you were.
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I don't disagree, but what politicians other than Bernie and Trump aren't bought?
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Care to share one of his "nutty" ideas with us?
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How do you know that? He hasn't provided his plans on much besides immigration. He likes to keep things generic like "I'll clean things up". Hard to believe without specifics.
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>Care to share one of his "nutty" ideas with us?
Bernie is a socialist, wants to tax the hell out of companies which will of course drive even more overseas. Hasn't obumble done enough of that? Good jobs are scarce now days unless you count flipping burgers as a good job. Most of our manufacturing has been sent overseas because of liberal policies. I agree the gop is worthless but that does not mean the dems have good ideas. Why do you think almost everything you see in the stores comes from china?
>what politicians other than Bernie and Trump aren't bought?
None, that's why they are the only two I could support. The choice between jeb and hill is like choosing between a turd sandwich on rye bread vs wheat. Biden is too old and too beholden to the big money people same as obumble.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Stonehenge]
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Bernie is a socialist. I am too. Being a socialist doesn't mean 'tax the hell out of Capitalists' though it's true he does want to do that. But that's just part of the equation.
The other part is supporting worker owned businesses and moving away from capitalism completely. If we really want special interests out of politics how about we quit supporting special interests?
If you really want to understand his 'nutty ideas' maybe take a read of his actual platform and a look at bills he's actually written. Here's some stuff to get you started.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/an-economic-agenda-for-america-12-steps-forward
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/03/bernie-sanders-flexes-muscles-introducing-bill-create-13-million-jobs.html
And here's his liberal 'open borders agenda' which isn't open borders at all.
http://www.epi.org/blog/bernie-sanders-is-correct-on-immigration/
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: >Care to share one of his "nutty" ideas with us?
Bernie is a socialist, wants to tax the hell out of companies which will of course drive even more overseas. Hasn't obumble done enough of that? Good jobs are scarce now days unless you count flipping burgers as a good job. Most of our manufacturing has been sent overseas because of liberal policies. I agree the gop is worthless but that does not mean the dems have good ideas. Why do you think almost everything you see in the stores comes from china?
Yes, Bernie wants to raise taxes on corporations, but he also wants to end trade agreements that send American jobs oversees. So manufacturing jobs will be returning to the US, not the other way around.
He also supports a small FTT which can raise huge amounts of money and slow down Wall Street speculation, both great things for our economy.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Stonehenge said: Bernie is a socialist, wants to tax the hell out of companies which will of course drive even more overseas.
Yes, Bernie wants to raise taxes on corporations, but he also wants to end trade agreements that send American jobs oversees. So manufacturing jobs will be returning to the US, not the other way around.
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http://nypost.com/2015/09/13/bernie-is-wiping-the-floor-with-hillary-in-latest-polls/
'Sanders wiping the floor with Hillary in Iowa'
Sanders is beating Hillary 43% to 33% in Iowa, and 52 to 30 in NH. It's ON fellas! Bernie's going to win this thing!
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Oh fuck yes, go Mr. Sanders, Go! I'm going to vote for him in my states democratic primary. If you like him, you should do the same.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Le_Canard]
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Le_Canard]
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Temper enthusiasm, chaps. Hillary still up 13 points in South Carolina and 16 points in California. Up 18 points nationwide.
Not to mention the super delegates shes basically guaranteed to get in NY. Its still a near vertical hill for Bernie to climb, but the good news is the media has to start taking notice, and the momentum from NH and Iowa will boost his numbers everywhere else.
The real problem is this 6 debates bullshit, there were 26 in 2008. Heres the schedule for anyone wondering:
October 13, Wynn Hotel, Las Vegas NV, CNN
November 14, Drake University, Des Moines IA, CBS
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: The Ecstatic]
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We're still several months out though. Plenty of time for Sanders to build support in those states. He's got all the momentum right now and that's huge in the primaries. If he wins Iowa and New Hampshire, he's got a really decent shot of winning the primary.
And yes, the debate schedule is utter bullshit.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
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But enlil said sanders didn't have a chance and he claims he has called the winner and hasn't been wrong in 30 years. How can you go against that?
Of course he is the same guy who said cops should let criminals go if they resist so....
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Stonehenge]
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Some people have to learn the hard way...
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
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Why do you claim Sanders has no chance?
I still think Hillary or Biden are more likely to win, but Sanders' campaign has made some impressive headway and has a lot of momentum right now. I think he's very capable of winning.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
#22238587 - 09/14/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because people are fundamentally stupid and make decisions primarily based on fear. Bernie, for all his good traits, is too far outside of the norm which makes him too scary to elect. Right now, people are enjoying the novelty, but like Ron Paul and Ross Perot, people will ultimately fear the unknown and go with someone safer and more predictable.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
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I feel like Sanders isn't that unknown though. He has a track record spanning decades to back up all his policies. And many of his policies have already been implemented (or at least a form of them) in other developed countries, so people can look to actual examples of their successes and failures.
I think Sanders' biggest drawback is that people think he won't win, but if he manages to take Iowa and New Hampshire, I think that perception will start to go away.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Because people are fundamentally stupid and make decisions primarily based on fear. Bernie, for all his good traits, is too far outside of the norm which makes him too scary to elect. Right now, people are enjoying the novelty, but like Ron Paul and Ross Perot, people will ultimately fear the unknown and go with someone safer and more predictable.
We've seen outsiders win party nominations before, what happens if Trump and Bernie go into the general?
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Maybe I'll be wrong. I doubt it though.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Because people are fundamentally stupid and make decisions primarily based on fear. Bernie, for all his good traits, is too far outside of the norm which makes him too scary to elect. Right now, people are enjoying the novelty, but like Ron Paul and Ross Perot, people will ultimately fear the unknown and go with someone safer and more predictable.
I think if Trump is the likely nominee as we move into the primaries, people are not going to be so scared to nominate Bernie. We're looking at a softball from the Republicans, considering there are so many of them, and they could easily win on 20% of the vote if it is heavily split.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Trump wont be the nominee, though.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
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He's changed a lot of his views to match the republican party. Plus he's the most known nominee.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
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This I can agree with.
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Achillita said: He's changed a lot of his views to match the republican party. Plus he's the most known nominee.
He still hasn't flushed out many of his views. I want to see details about what he would do if elected, and I imagine many voters will too.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
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I don't think any Republican candidate poses much threat to Bernie. I think they are going to vote for a non-politician candidate like Trump, Carson, or Fiorina. There really isn't much to fear here.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I'm not as confident as you are. The populace really seems to be after a non-traditional candidate. They are tired of politics as usual and want a new face. The party that can provide the most appealing new face will win, IMO.
I do think that will be the Democrats, but I'm not certain.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
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This I can agree with.
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Achillita said: He's changed a lot of his views to match the republican party. Plus he's the most known nominee.
He still hasn't flushed out many of his views. I want to see details about what he would do if elected, and I imagine many voters will too.
He has quite a few in depth plans. Check them out at this supporter made(and really good) site www.feelthebern.org and https://berniesanders.com/issues/
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
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Enlil said: Trump wont be the nominee, though.
This I can agree with.
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Achillita said: He's changed a lot of his views to match the republican party. Plus he's the most known nominee.
He still hasn't flushed out many of his views. I want to see details about what he would do if elected, and I imagine many voters will too.
He has quite a few in depth plans. Check them out at this supporter made(and really good) site www.feelthebern.org and https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Sorry, for some reason I thought you were talking about Trump. I'm a big Bernie supporter and have been learning about his views in depth for a while now. I really hope he wins.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
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I think he was originally talking about Trump. Bernie hasn't made any conservative changes to his views.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Sorry for the confusion.. I got mismatched. I thought you were talking about bernie, not trump
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
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I suspect Bernie supporters are fooling themselves as to his electability.
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In the Democratic contest, Clinton's drop is dramatic, yet not enough to threaten her clear lead. She's supported by 42 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who are registered to vote, down from 63 percent in July, while Sanders has gained 10 points, to 24 percent, and Joe Biden's up by 9 points, to 21 percent. If Biden doesn't run, most of his support moves to Clinton, boosting her to 56 percent – exactly double Sanders' support in this case.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clintons-support-drops-trump-carson-surge-gop-race/story?id=33695818
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I thought this thread was about Bernie getting shot in Iowa.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
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Heyuk heyuk heyuk!
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
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It may not be a joke if the bitch sees Bernie standing between her and her last chance to grab power. The Clintons play rough and dirty. Bill is widely believed to have murdered many people who stood in his way. Cabinet member ron brown was set to turn state's evidence when his plane mysteriously crashed killing all aboard. A false beacon was believed to have been set up. Bill ordered all on board to be cremated, something totally without precedent.
Many other events too. Then there was the bombing of a hospital in Lebanon, I think it was, on eve of impeachment. He claimed it was a poison gas factory but it was a hospital and he murdered hundreds of innocent people to distract attention.
A high profile person like Bernie would be hard to hit but unfortunate accidents do happen. They happen a lot if you oppose certain people.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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In the Democratic contest, Clinton's drop is dramatic, yet not enough to threaten her clear lead. She's supported by 42 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who are registered to vote, down from 63 percent in July, while Sanders has gained 10 points, to 24 percent, and Joe Biden's up by 9 points, to 21 percent. If Biden doesn't run, most of his support moves to Clinton, boosting her to 56 percent – exactly double Sanders' support in this case.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clintons-support-drops-trump-carson-surge-gop-race/story?id=33695818
I think Biden is quite likely to jump in. He's sure been acting like he's going to.
Regardless, as soon as Bernie and Hillary start debating, she'll take another big hit. He's been trending upward steadily, and even by modest projections he will pass Hillary by election time. If Hillary is going to win the nomination, she will have to do it without Iowa or NH. That wouod be interesting.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
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That seems like something he'd have a better 'shot' at.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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That seems like something he'd have a better 'shot' at.
Don't give up your day job, bro ;-)
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Dear Bernie-supporting comrades, as you may know the imperialist Wall Street Journal released an Op Ed about our Dear Leader, claiming his campaign agenda would cost taxpayers $18 trillion over the next 10 years.
These are vicious, slanderous lies. Graciously, a true newspaper for the worker, The Nation, explained how and why the capitalist rag is dead wrong.
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But the real challenge Sanders’s proposals present for the Wall Street Journal crowd is ideological. In America, our taxes are quite low relative to other advanced countries, but we shell out dramatically more out-of-pocket for social goods like healthcare, education, and retirement. In fact, in 2009 (before Obamacare’s subsidies and Medicaid expansion kicked in), Americans spent almost four times as much as the citizens of other wealthy countries buying social goods on the private market. As a result, while we know that a big chunk of our paychecks are going to Uncle Sam, we don’t see the same kind of benefits coming back to us as people in the rest of the developed world do. And that disparity makes Americans receptive to the right’s anti-government rhetoric.
Dead on.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Dear Bernie-supporting comrades, as you may know the imperialist Wall Street Journal released an Op Ed about our Dear Leader, claiming his campaign agenda would cost taxpayers $18 trillion over the next 10 years.
These are vicious, slanderous lies. Graciously, a true newspaper for the worker, The Nation, explained how and why the capitalist rag is dead wrong.
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But the real challenge Sanders’s proposals present for the Wall Street Journal crowd is ideological. In America, our taxes are quite low relative to other advanced countries, but we shell out dramatically more out-of-pocket for social goods like healthcare, education, and retirement. In fact, in 2009 (before Obamacare’s subsidies and Medicaid expansion kicked in), Americans spent almost four times as much as the citizens of other wealthy countries buying social goods on the private market. As a result, while we know that a big chunk of our paychecks are going to Uncle Sam, we don’t see the same kind of benefits coming back to us as people in the rest of the developed world do. And that disparity makes Americans receptive to the right’s anti-government rhetoric.
Dead on.
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Exactly. These are the sort of lies that Bernie is really going to have to struggle with. People think Obama is a Socialist, and that his increased spending has been welfare spending, when in reality it has been spent like a bonafied neocon. We haven't felt any of the benefit. Obama has been as business friendly as a Democrat could possibly be, and the TPP is evidence of that.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Indeed, comrade. (I'm gonna embrace the commie label for the time being, because why not)
Latest Bernie numbers:
Up 13 in NH Up 10 in Iowa Down 21 in FL Down 16 in CA Down 23 in SC
Down 20 nationwide.
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Indeed, comrade. (I'm gonna embrace the commie label for the time being, because why not)
Latest Bernie numbers:
Up 13 in NH Up 10 in Iowa Down 21 in FL Down 16 in CA Down 23 in SC
Down 20 nationwide.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
We have time. The bourgeoisie are losing footing, comrade.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#22251293 - 09/17/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Da, da.
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