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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22240292 - 09/15/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I suspect Bernie supporters are fooling themselves as to his electability.

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In the Democratic contest, Clinton's drop is dramatic, yet not enough to threaten her clear lead. She's supported by 42 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who are registered to vote, down from 63 percent in July, while Sanders has gained 10 points, to 24 percent, and Joe Biden's up by 9 points, to 21 percent. If Biden doesn't run, most of his support moves to Clinton, boosting her to 56 percent – exactly double Sanders' support in this case.




http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clintons-support-drops-trump-carson-surge-gop-race/story?id=33695818




I think Biden is quite likely to jump in. He's sure been acting like he's going to.

Regardless, as soon as Bernie and Hillary start debating, she'll take another big hit. He's been trending upward steadily, and even by modest projections he will pass Hillary by election time. If Hillary is going to win the nomination, she will have to do it without Iowa or NH. That wouod be interesting.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
    #22240511 - 09/15/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought this thread was about Bernie getting shot in Iowa.




That seems like something he'd have a better 'shot' at.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22242123 - 09/15/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought this thread was about Bernie getting shot in Iowa.




That seems like something he'd have a better 'shot' at.




Don't give up your day job, bro ;-)


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22248098 - 09/16/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dear Bernie-supporting comrades, as you may know the imperialist Wall Street Journal released an Op Ed about our Dear Leader, claiming his campaign agenda would cost taxpayers $18 trillion over the next 10 years.

These are vicious, slanderous lies. Graciously, a true newspaper for the worker, The Nation, explained how and why the capitalist rag is dead wrong.

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But the real challenge Sanders’s proposals present for the Wall Street Journal crowd is ideological. In America, our taxes are quite low relative to other advanced countries, but we shell out dramatically more out-of-pocket for social goods like healthcare, education, and retirement. In fact, in 2009 (before Obamacare’s subsidies and Medicaid expansion kicked in), Americans spent almost four times as much as the citizens of other wealthy countries buying social goods on the private market. As a result, while we know that a big chunk of our paychecks are going to Uncle Sam, we don’t see the same kind of benefits coming back to us as people in the rest of the developed world do. And that disparity makes Americans receptive to the right’s anti-government rhetoric.




Dead on.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22248901 - 09/16/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dear Bernie-supporting comrades, as you may know the imperialist Wall Street Journal released an Op Ed about our Dear Leader, claiming his campaign agenda would cost taxpayers $18 trillion over the next 10 years.

These are vicious, slanderous lies. Graciously, a true newspaper for the worker, The Nation, explained how and why the capitalist rag is dead wrong.

An excerpt:

Quote:

But the real challenge Sanders’s proposals present for the Wall Street Journal crowd is ideological. In America, our taxes are quite low relative to other advanced countries, but we shell out dramatically more out-of-pocket for social goods like healthcare, education, and retirement. In fact, in 2009 (before Obamacare’s subsidies and Medicaid expansion kicked in), Americans spent almost four times as much as the citizens of other wealthy countries buying social goods on the private market. As a result, while we know that a big chunk of our paychecks are going to Uncle Sam, we don’t see the same kind of benefits coming back to us as people in the rest of the developed world do. And that disparity makes Americans receptive to the right’s anti-government rhetoric.




Dead on.


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Exactly. These are the sort of lies that Bernie is really going to have to struggle with. People think Obama is a Socialist, and that his increased spending has been welfare spending, when in reality it has been spent like a bonafied neocon. We haven't felt any of the benefit. Obama has been as business friendly as a Democrat could possibly be, and the TPP is evidence of that.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22250638 - 09/17/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Indeed, comrade. (I'm gonna embrace the commie label for the time being, because why not)


Latest Bernie numbers:

Up 13 in NH
Up 10 in Iowa
Down 21 in FL
Down 16 in CA
Down 23 in SC

Down 20 nationwide.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22251101 - 09/17/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Indeed, comrade. (I'm gonna embrace the commie label for the time being, because why not)


Latest Bernie numbers:

Up 13 in NH
Up 10 in Iowa
Down 21 in FL
Down 16 in CA
Down 23 in SC

Down 20 nationwide.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/




We have time. The bourgeoisie are losing footing, comrade.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22251293 - 09/17/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Da, da.


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