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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22238467 - 09/14/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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But enlil said sanders didn't have a chance and he claims he has called the winner and hasn't been wrong in 30 years. How can you go against that?




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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
    #22238564 - 09/14/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why do you claim Sanders has no chance?

I still think Hillary or Biden are more likely to win, but Sanders' campaign has made some impressive headway and has a lot of momentum right now. I think he's very capable of winning.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22238587 - 09/14/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Because people are fundamentally stupid and make decisions primarily based on fear.  Bernie, for all his good traits, is too far outside of the norm which makes him too scary to elect.  Right now, people are enjoying the novelty, but like Ron Paul and Ross Perot, people will ultimately fear the unknown and go with someone safer and more predictable.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
    #22238676 - 09/14/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I feel like Sanders isn't that unknown though. He has a track record spanning decades to back up all his policies. And many of his policies have already been implemented (or at least a form of them) in other developed countries, so people can look to actual examples of their successes and failures.

I think Sanders' biggest drawback is that people think he won't win, but if he manages to take Iowa and New Hampshire, I think that perception will start to go away.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
    #22238679 - 09/14/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Because people are fundamentally stupid and make decisions primarily based on fear.  Bernie, for all his good traits, is too far outside of the norm which makes him too scary to elect.  Right now, people are enjoying the novelty, but like Ron Paul and Ross Perot, people will ultimately fear the unknown and go with someone safer and more predictable.




We've seen outsiders win party nominations before, what happens if Trump and Bernie go into the general?


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22238680 - 09/14/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe I'll be wrong.  I doubt it though.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
    #22238693 - 09/14/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Because people are fundamentally stupid and make decisions primarily based on fear.  Bernie, for all his good traits, is too far outside of the norm which makes him too scary to elect.  Right now, people are enjoying the novelty, but like Ron Paul and Ross Perot, people will ultimately fear the unknown and go with someone safer and more predictable.




I think if Trump is the likely nominee as we move into the primaries, people are not going to be so scared to nominate Bernie. We're looking at a softball from the Republicans, considering there are so many of them, and they could easily win on 20% of the vote if it is heavily split.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22238710 - 09/14/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Trump wont be the nominee, though.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
    #22238739 - 09/14/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

He's changed a lot of his views to match the republican party. Plus he's the most known nominee.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
    #22238814 - 09/14/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Trump wont be the nominee, though.




This I can agree with.

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He's changed a lot of his views to match the republican party. Plus he's the most known nominee.




He still hasn't flushed out many of his views. I want to see details about what he would do if elected, and I imagine many voters will too.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22238839 - 09/14/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think any Republican candidate poses much threat to Bernie. I think they are going to vote for a non-politician candidate like Trump, Carson, or Fiorina. There really isn't much to fear here.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22238848 - 09/14/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think any Republican candidate poses much threat to Bernie. I think they are going to vote for a non-politician candidate like Trump, Carson, or Fiorina. There really isn't much to fear here.




I'm not as confident as you are. The populace really seems to be after a non-traditional candidate. They are tired of politics as usual and want a new face. The party that can provide the most appealing new face will win, IMO.

I do think that will be the Democrats, but I'm not certain.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22238989 - 09/14/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Trump wont be the nominee, though.




This I can agree with.

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He's changed a lot of his views to match the republican party. Plus he's the most known nominee.




He still hasn't flushed out many of his views. I want to see details about what he would do if elected, and I imagine many voters will too.



He has quite a few in depth plans. Check them out at this supporter made(and really good) site
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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
    #22239131 - 09/14/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Trump wont be the nominee, though.




This I can agree with.

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He's changed a lot of his views to match the republican party. Plus he's the most known nominee.




He still hasn't flushed out many of his views. I want to see details about what he would do if elected, and I imagine many voters will too.



He has quite a few in depth plans. Check them out at this supporter made(and really good) site
www.feelthebern.org
and
https://berniesanders.com/issues/




Sorry, for some reason I thought you were talking about Trump. I'm a big Bernie supporter and have been learning about his views in depth for a while now. I really hope he wins.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #22239295 - 09/15/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think he was originally talking about Trump. Bernie hasn't made any conservative changes to his views.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22239349 - 09/15/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry for the confusion.. I got mismatched. I thought you were talking about bernie, not trump :stoned2:


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Achillita]
    #22239855 - 09/15/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I suspect Bernie supporters are fooling themselves as to his electability.

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In the Democratic contest, Clinton's drop is dramatic, yet not enough to threaten her clear lead. She's supported by 42 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who are registered to vote, down from 63 percent in July, while Sanders has gained 10 points, to 24 percent, and Joe Biden's up by 9 points, to 21 percent. If Biden doesn't run, most of his support moves to Clinton, boosting her to 56 percent – exactly double Sanders' support in this case.




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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #22240120 - 09/15/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I thought this thread was about Bernie getting shot in Iowa.


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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
    #22240219 - 09/15/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought this thread was about Bernie getting shot in Iowa.




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Re: Bernie sanders takes lead in Iowa [Re: Enlil]
    #22240256 - 09/15/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It may not be a joke if the bitch sees Bernie standing between her and her last chance to grab power. The Clintons play rough and dirty. Bill is widely believed to have murdered many people who stood in his way. Cabinet member ron brown was set to turn state's evidence when his plane mysteriously crashed killing all aboard. A false beacon was believed to have been set up. Bill ordered all on board to be cremated, something totally without precedent.

Many other events too. Then there was the bombing of a hospital in Lebanon, I think it was, on eve of impeachment. He claimed it was a poison gas factory but it was a hospital and he murdered hundreds of innocent people to distract attention.

A high profile person like Bernie would be hard to hit but unfortunate accidents do happen. They happen a lot if you oppose certain people.


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