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Stewbid1
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Spirituality in cultivation?
#22220065 - 09/11/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've read a few hundred teks on here before deciding exactly what methods to use, and I still feel like something important is missing. I'm sure most of you know about Dr. Emoto's experiments with water (if not click here: https://www.google.com/search?q=dr.+emoto+water&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8). And what are mushrooms made of? Water! Also, since they are more closely related to humans than plants, don't you think some positive vibes would make them happier and therefore make them grow better? While this is often considered pseudoscience, I have personally tested his methods and seen proof positive that we affect substances by environment and energy. Has anyone tried anything like this, and if so, what were your results? Are you as careful about contaminating your mushrooms with bad energy as you are with mold? Why, or why not? I have decided to try a few things like this myself. I'm going to play Brahms to the babies, Bach and Beethoven after birthing. I'm going to print and tape pictures of the best grows I've seen on here to the fruiting chamber. I'm going to talk to them, say the Ho'oponopono mantra to them, read the Great Bell chant etc. Maybe at a later date I'll do a comparison experiment. Thoughts?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220090 - 09/11/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read about this experiment and it seemed very interesting to me. When I grew pot, I would write notes on the water reservoirs in my hydro setup that said "I love you" and "You are special". I'd sing them Led Zepplin or Pink Floyd songs before I'd turn the lights out at night. Those turned out to be some pretty hardy plants and not a failure like I had been used to up until that point.
I would be curious to see its effect on mushrooms.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220109 - 09/11/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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these ideas have been widely debunked as pure nonsense.
energy can be measured, but this kind of energy cannot. the reason being that it is imaginary energy. it doesn't actually exist.
you should google a guy named James Randi and what he has to say about it.
have you ever actually eaten a mushroom? that's where the spirituality comes in...
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Edited by DaveyJones6911 (09/11/15 04:57 AM)
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Stewbid1
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That's cool Shroomer! It just makes sense.Quote:
DaveyJones6911 said: these ideas have been widely debunked as pure nonsense.
energy can be measured, but this kind of energy cannot. the reason being that it is imaginary energy. it doesn't actually exist.
you should google a guy named James Randi and what he has to say about it.
have you ever actually eaten a mushroom? that's where the spirituality comes in...
DaveyJones, if you believe that the spirituality comes in at all, then how can you believe that it doesn't exist? We can't measure other universes's black holes yet either, yet we know they exist. What if (pure speculation lol) it can and has been measured and this information just hasn't been made public? What if it's actually a constant? What if the C in Einstein's E=MC2 is actually consciousness (I mean we are proving that the speed of light is actually not a constant, and why did he use a C instead of an S to supposedly represent the speed of light in the first place)? And yes, I have eaten shrooms.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220144 - 09/11/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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those experiments were definitely debunked.
also, maybe not the place for this…no offense.
I'm as open minded as the next guy, but this isn't something that we can really debate in a rational way in a mushroom cultivation forum.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blindingleaf]
#22220931 - 09/11/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If it's part of cultivation methods, where else would one put it? I do realize this post would be better with some comparison pics.. That I can work on. Thanks for the opinion blindingleaf.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220946 - 09/11/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: DaveyJones, if you believe that the spirituality comes in at all, then how can you believe that it doesn't exist? We can't measure other universes's black holes yet either, yet we know they exist. What if (pure speculation lol) it can and has been measured and this information just hasn't been made public? What if it's actually a constant? What if the C in Einstein's E=MC2 is actually consciousness (I mean we are proving that the speed of light is actually not a constant, and why did he use a C instead of an S to supposedly represent the speed of light in the first place)? And yes, I have eaten shrooms. 
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220990 - 09/11/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe we can talk about how to "stress" mushrooms into producing different results just as many gardeners will "stress" there plants.
Here is some information on how some cultivators stress cannabis plants.
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In cannabis cultivation, as in life, there are two types of stress – good and bad. Good stress causes the cannabis plant to work harder to achieve a desirable goal (larger buds anyone?); whereas, bad stress is counterproductive to growth and could ultimately kill the plant. As such, when growing cannabis in a commercial setting, it is important to maximize the use of good stress and minimize the introduction of bad stress.
Low-Stress-Training (LST): Low-stress-training is the practice of using small amounts of constant force to encourage plant branch growth in the growers’ chosen direction while opening up lower nodes to higher light intensity. Applying this stress throughout the vegetative growth phase will provide thick stem growth, which will produce additional nutrient/water delivery capabilities during flowering. This technique is very good for increasing yield per plant while keeping the overall plant height to a minimum. ScrOG (Screen of Green) trellising, tomato cages, and using bamboo stakes (sticking-and-spreading) are all great methods of applying this type of gentle stress.
http://surna.com/healthy-unhealthy-cannabis-plant-stressors/
some quantitative stress that we can do to mushrooms include light water content competitors (bacteria, mold) bubble wrap?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blackdust]
#22221061 - 09/11/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Throwing them against a wall works. Imma also write a stungun tek in a few weeks.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22221073 - 09/11/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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^^ Tough love!
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blackdust]
#22221078 - 09/11/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, let's! I like your train of thought. Also obviously cold shock.. So I was thinking about why that would work to stress pins into forming and promote growth. It makes sense because in nature, if there was a sudden temperature drop, the weather may be expected to change in the near future. This would prompt mushrooms to grow faster so that they could drop their spores before cold weather sets in for good in order to propagate. Forcing them into quicker growth may kill some off, however, those that survived would definitely be the strongest ones. Why don't wheat farmers do that rather than spraying chemicals to make the wheat open? Light Maybe changing up the timer for lights in a fruiting chamber would cause a growth spurt? How about lightning? Check this out: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100409-lightning-mushrooms-japan-harvest/ I don't know what to think about water content, they seem rather drastically effected by too much or too little of that don't they? Competitors If one had a good method for isolating the survivors from competing mold once the two have met, it would bring out the strongest parts and kill the rest. Would it be possible to isolate after being in contact with contaminants? I'm thinking yes, VERY carefully. Bubble Wrap ??? LOL
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22221105 - 09/11/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22221134 - 09/11/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I talked mad shit to my last mini mono. And guess what, it worked. It really was worthless and it really didn't amount to shit.
Could have been the bad spawn tho, but I would rather like to believe that I crushed it's desire to live using just words.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22221194 - 09/11/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD. 
Cultivation of a non-sentient biomass is just science. Mushrooms don't think or have feelings. Give 'em CO2 and a digestable substrate, and they colonize. Give them FAE, and they fruit. We've pretty much nailed down the science of what causes different deformations (small caps, fuzzy feet, thin stems, etc.) and how to alter their environment to change those things. Science, plain and simple.
Cultivation of the human mind is a far less exact science. Sure, we know a lot about how neurons work, what areas of the brain perform certain tasks, and how certain chemicals can effect our perceptions... But so much of how the brain works is still a mystery, even if you put together a team of neurologists, psychiatrists, and spiritual leaders to discuss it. That is where the spirituality becomes a factor. Science and reason can pretty much fuck all the way off when it comes to what your mind will do with a large enough amount of mushrooms in ya.
Just one guy's opinion, though. I could be wrong; wouldn't be the first time.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: CliftonGK1]
#22221235 - 09/11/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually fungus does think, at least slime mold. That shit can solve mazes from memory, go fucking figure.
Cold slows shrooms down. If you want to initiate pinning submit them to a dry spell. Don't fucking kill them, learn to read your myc, but a dry spell followed by a return to normal conditions has fruited even the most stubborn of shit for me.
Also cron got liberty caps to fruit by flinging em against a wall, seriously. I wouldn't advise it but he was gonna throw em out anyways I think. People blast reishi blocks (I think that strain) with a high powered hose and drop them a few feet to promote pinning.
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Edited by maddchef (09/11/15 10:37 AM)
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22221240 - 09/11/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD. 
Rituals are a way of focusing the mind.
I stretch and exercise before tripping. I drink a cup of coffee and eat something before doing agar work. These are my rituals and they're both grounded in science (though the coffee may be counter productive ).
Smudge sticks and playing Pink Floyd to your shrooms aren't going to help anything. Feeling connected to your shrooms, listening to them, not loving them to death. These I consider a spiritual practice. They've helped me learn patience, resilience, and many other things. They've also helped improve my grows but it's because I'm paying attention to what's going on not because I'm leaving sticky notes on their tubs (unless that note is a spawn date).
I guess the point I'm making is that spirituality is such a loaded word that most people aren't going to say they mix it with science. For me the spiritual part is the learning and growing from the practice. There's nothing magical about it.
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ill be totally honest with u guys…i say "whats up guys" to anything i have growing when i first see them in the day (usually when i turn lights on). other times, i yell at them, like "what are you doing pinning all up on that side, whats wrong with this side!?!?". other times its "you better be clean…cause I'm expanding you to ten jars bro". when i turn the lights and fan off at night, i say "good night". its not for any positive effects necessarily…its just that…i see mushrooms more than i see anyone else in my life on a day to day basis, except my dog, who i also talk to. to me, its a companionship thing…I'm on the same team as anything i'm growing…its a joint effort in a way.
but other than that, i can't say i have many rituals other than a shower before clean work. although, i'm not against them.
cultivation in and of itself has helped me become a better person, i can say that for sure. but i attribute it to a combination of ingesting mushrooms, and the effect that has, and the kind of effect the process has on a cultivator itself; patience, observation, determination and focus.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blindingleaf]
#22221745 - 09/11/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I talk to mine too For similar reasons. Plus I eat them a lot and sometimes they talk back 
But I think the exchange that goes on with me and the myc isn't verbal. It's the care I put in everyday that counts.
Shit kids are the same way. Telling my kids I love them reminds them of my love. If I just said I love you without taking care of them it would be empty words.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22221953 - 09/11/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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maddchef said: People blast reishi blocks (I think that strain) with a high powered hose and drop them a few feet to promote pinning.
No, that's shiitake. Different species entirely. The drop, or more common slapping of the blocks, cracks the brown bark\skin of the block and simulates a colonized branch falling from a tree. Many asain growers that grow shiitake on logs will bang on the logs to simulate that drop. I believe RR stated that he sprays them forcefully with water. This forceful spray cracks the skin further and forces some moisture in there.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Juiceh]
#22221969 - 09/11/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shitake then. Knew it was summin
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22221996 - 09/11/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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..one of these threads
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22222012 - 09/11/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD. 
For me, its not spiritual to grow but it connects me to my ancestors. My last name means "Follower of Demeter". I can trace my family line back thousands of years to Greek pagan farmers. I can't grow vegetables or flowers and my family always makes fun of me for it. They call me city girl because I was the first person born in America in a city and not on a farm.
Growing mushrooms helps me connect with my ancestors because its something I can grow and not mess up.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22222028 - 09/11/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you get in real close and talk to your agar cultures you might see a change of growth in them
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Kizzle]
#22222036 - 09/11/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This shit's so bad even little crons like..
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Kizzle]
#22222169 - 09/11/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: Thoughts?
Don't waste your time on all that stuff. Writing notes to your mushrooms will do nothing other than waste ink, paper, and time, mushrooms don't have eyes to read wtf you are even writing to them or a brain to comprehend what the words would even mean... Playing them music will just waste electricity and time, mushrooms don't have ears they could give a fuck(if they could give a fuck) if you have Mozart or Snoop Dogg playing. Talk to them all you want, they won't listen. I've read they don't like alot of vibrations though, so you could do more harm than good with music.
Cultivation is science plain and simple, not mumbo jumbo bullshit spiritual crap that's been widely debunked. All you're gonna do is frustrate yourself by going through extra effort to provide things for your mushrooms that they don't need. You're fooling yourself into thinking you're providing a little better for them than normal when you're just spinning your wheels and being wasteful. Instead, you should focus on providing them with what they actually need and nothing more. They will love you much more for that. Nothing is missing when you give them what they actually need, if you think something is missing that's in your head.
Even the link you provided said that "Emoto's work is widely considered to be pseudoscience."
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Kizzle said: If you get in real close and talk to your agar cultures you might see a change of growth in them 

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..one of these threads
Edited by Juiceh (09/11/15 02:04 PM)
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22222192 - 09/11/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should just give them proper FAE, humidity, temp, and light cycle. They care a lot more about that than what you have to saY
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Big Bear]
#22222209 - 09/11/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think I want to eat a snobbish mushroom
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22222235 - 09/11/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Treat them as if they are your children and they will flourish.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: CliftonGK1]
#22222236 - 09/11/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Non sentient beings? I guess that's a matter of opinion. Moderation is always a good idea though. THE MUSHROOM SPEAKS by Terence McKenna
I am old, older than thought in your species, which is itself fifty times older than your history. Though I have been on earth for ages I am from the stars. My home is no one planet, for many worlds scattered through the shining disc of the galaxy have conditions which allow my spores an opportunity for life. The mushroom which you see is the part of my body given to sex thrills and sun bathing, my true body is a fine network of fibers growing through the soil. These networks may cover acres and may have far more connections than the number in a human brain.
My mycelial network is nearly immortal--only the sudden toxification of a planet or the explosion of it's parent star can wipe me out. By means impossible to explain because of certain misconceptions in your model of reality all my mycelial networks in the galaxy are in hyperlight communication through space and time.
The mycelial body is as fragile as a spider's web but the collective hypermind and memory is a vast historical archive of the career of evolving intelligence on many worlds in our spiral star swarm. Space, you see, is a vast ocean to those hardy life forms that have the ability to reproduce from spores, for spores are covered with the hardest organic substance known.
Across the aeons of time and space drift many spore forming life-forms in suspended animation for millions of years until contact is made with a suitable environment. Few such species are minded, only myself and my recently evolved near relatives have achieved the hyper-communication mode and memory capacity that makes us leading members in the community of galactic intelligence. How the hyper-communication mode operates is a secret which will not be lightly given to humans.
But the means should be obvious: it is the occurence of psilocybin and psilocin in the biosynthetic pathways of my living body that opens for me and my symbiots the vision screens to many worlds. You as an individual and Homo sapiens as a species are on the brink of the formation of a symbiotic relationship with my genetic material that will eventually carry humanity and earth into the galactic mainstream of the higher civilizations.
Since it is not easy for you to recognize other varieties of intelligence around you, your most advanced theories of politics and society have advanced only as far as the notion of collectivism. But beyond the cohesion of the members of a species into a single social organism there lie richer and even more baroque evolutionary possibilities. Symbiosis is one of these. Symbiosis is a relation of mutual dependence and positive benifits for both species involved.
Symbiotic relationships between myself and civilized forms of higher animals have been established many times and in many places throughout the long ages of my development. These relationships have been mutually useful; within my memory is the knowledge of hyperlight drive ships and how to build them. I will trade this knowledge for a free ticket to new worlds around suns younger and more stable than your own.
To secure an eternal existence down the long river of cosmic time, I again and again offer this agreement to higher beings and thereby have spread throughout the galaxy over the long millenia.
A mycelial network has no organs to move the world, no hands; but higher animals with manipulative abilities can become partners with the star knowledge within me and if they act in good faith, return both themselves and their humble mushroom teacher to the million worlds to which all citizens of our starswarm are heir.
-- Taken from Psilocybin: The Magic Mushroom Growers Guide ^ that guy seemed to feel that they are sentient beings.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22222246 - 09/11/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If that's true we should probably stop ripping off their sex organs and eating them.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Juiceh]
#22222257 - 09/11/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You say I'm trying to provide better than normal conditions for them, what are 'normal' growing conditions? I can't fly them to Cambodia to grow lol, which would be normal for them imo. It is also my honest opinion that science is royally screwing things up. I'm not saying that the scientific method is a waste of time per se, I am saying that 9/10 of scientific studies are manipulated and funded by big corporations who do not have our best interests at heart whatsoever. So basically, all the 'debunking' in the world won't make me disbelieve what I've seen with my own eyes. Why not make normal as good as we are able? Besides, what will a little love note actually hurt on the outside of my incubation chamber (no, I'm not willing to risk contamination for my experiment lol)?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22222308 - 09/11/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe they're aliens and that's how they use their sex organs. Maybe we should poop and pee outside and see if new mushrooms grow from our excrement after we eat them lol.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
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Normal (for cubes) is between 65-82, but I usually don't like to do less than 67 or more than 80 if I can help it. They like a moist climate and lots of FAE. They also like light...on a 12/12 cycle with 6500k bulb if artificial.
Nobody is arguing they are sentient. They are arguing that your notes aren't what the cubes ask for.
But if you must try and prove this point, do a bunch of bottles or trays WITH AN ISOLATE (not multispore) and put sticky notes on some. Put them all in the SAME fruiting chAimber so as to create a constant. Then try and prove it over the course of time with hundreds of results.
Yeah the mushrooms Talk though. our job is to listen
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Big Bear]
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Don't mushrooms speak their wants in fruits? I'm not saying it's a good idea to neglect any of the needs we already know they have. I totally agree though, the only way to know for sure is to experiment.. a LOT.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
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The fuck is this thread? E=MC2 where c=consciousness?
Im out.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22223746 - 09/11/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: Don't mushrooms speak their wants in fruits? I'm not saying it's a good idea to neglect any of the needs we already know they have. I totally agree though, the only way to know for sure is to experiment.. a LOT.
They're natural decomposers. They don't care what the living think, they're interested in consuming the dead and fulfilling their life cycle.
Furthermore, everybody I know, for whatever reason, REALLY liked the mushrooms I was growing when I was struggling at work, fighting at home, and wishing I was dead every day. Said they gave positive experiences. This just proves that that shit has nothing to do with it.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
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While kneeling down to harvest a mono a while back, a feeling came over me of intensity I can only describe as the organisms spirit. I can not say for sure, but around the time I prepared this tub (and its contammed brothers) I played music reminiscent of music which had accompanied me on the best of voyages... if you know what I'm sayin. Anyway, this mono had a presence about it. So I thanked it for allowing me to harvest and to share the love of spirit, experience and perspective. I found out later that these guys went on to treat people very well. Not a single bad complaint.
I try to develop and derive a sense of spirituality from mycology. One must achieve cleanliness to a high degree to give the best odds at life. One must follow a set rule system to give the best odds. One develops a personal rhythm to their technique.
I find the whole experience... from spore to floor to be very spiritual.
To dismiss its presence because we cannot measure is but ignorance expressing itself. Think about any scientific breakthrough throughout the course of all science as once prevailing limitations on reality were known and set in stone only to be demolished in the light of a new 'proven' theory.
Spirit in humans is the belief in something. To connect to that idea through some form of ritualistic behavior and attached to the idea with a sense of love.
So I answer your question OP, with a very sincere YES. I personally achieve spirituality through cultivation.
I ask that we All put our hearts into every effort we make in this hobby. Hopefully the good vibes we put into the art of cultivation are returned upon the spirits tuned in to the shroom.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Kizzle]
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Jabensis]
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Inocuole said: Furthermore, everybody I know, for whatever reason, REALLY liked the mushrooms I was growing when I was struggling at work, fighting at home, and wishing I was dead every day. Said they gave positive experiences. This just proves that that shit has nothing to do with it.
Okay then explain this with your spiritual mushroom science.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22224301 - 09/11/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Erm, the mushrooms sensed you were having a rough time and thought they would be eaten by you so they put out more positive vibe chemical than normal to try to help you?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
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maddchef said: Erm, the mushrooms sensed you were having a rough time and thought they would be eaten by you so they put out more positive vibe chemical than normal to try to help you?

If they were that aware, they would detect my snarky ass attitude and give that a psychedelic power-washing but they don't. People feel what they expect to feel.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22224351 - 09/11/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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maddchef said: Throwing them against a wall works. Imma also write a stungun tek in a few weeks.
I threw a mono at my wife once 
Cron got some libs to pin once by hurling them at the wall 
Anyway this exact post is usually made every six months or so. If we are on schedule then next week will be growing on dog turds and a month after that we will have potentially endless flushes from dunking in sugar water.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: Anyway this exact post is usually made every six months or so. If we are on schedule then next week will be growing on dog turds and a month after that we will have potentially endless flushes from dunking in sugar water.


That's so scarily accurate it's sad. You forgot the one where a biology student wants to try to figure out the metabolic pathways so they can feed the mushrooms tryptamine precursors, though.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
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Damnit! Knew I was forgetting one
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: I threw a mono at my wife once 
Lol, why you no record for gif meme?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
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Pastywhyte said: I threw a mono at my wife once 
Lol, why you no record for gif meme?
Shortsighted. . .
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22224377 - 09/11/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was just messing. Must have been a stressful situation to throw a mono.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22224383 - 09/11/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The weekly "my dehydrator = bad shrooms" thread... Yea, i've already noticed.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Spiracha]
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Spiracha said: The weekly "my dehydrator = bad shrooms" thread... Yea, i've already noticed.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Spiracha]
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Spiracha said: The weekly "my dehydrator = bad shrooms" thread... Yea, i've already noticed.
Classic noobish question
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Psilosoulful]
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iSmkGrnBud said: I was just messing. Must have been a stressful situation to throw a mono. 
Just a typical bipolar rage session that transformed into a giddy excited state in a few minutes.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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iSmkGrnBud said: I was just messing. Must have been a stressful situation to throw a mono. 
Just a typical bipolar rage session that transformed into a giddy excited state in a few minutes.
Glad I'm not the only one.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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iSmkGrnBud said: I was just messing. Must have been a stressful situation to throw a mono. 
Just a typical bipolar rage session that transformed into a giddy excited state in a few minutes.
Life with all females.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22224461 - 09/11/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Life with any female
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22225852 - 09/12/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe you need a higher dose?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22225877 - 09/12/15 06:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Look, I put a lot of love into my first few grows because I was into all that bullshit and they turned out subpar. I got better and my grows got better too, while I also slowly became more jaded and realistic about my worldview. Cultivation is about skill, patience, good habits, and biological needs. I can save the spirituality for when I've actually eaten the mushrooms if I care to mull over all that again.
All I'm saying is, the mushrooms really don't care. If they do they have the weirdest way of showing it.
We can't pretend they're this sophisticated set of entities when they basically froth at the mouth at the sight of a fresh heap of equine turds. That's what they love. It's what they know, and it's what they appreciate.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22225903 - 09/12/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heehee.. my Amazon pop up says: search for: Dehydrator, Hot Sauce Hot Like sauce... "Tighter than your Grandma's vagina"..
Ok so what about the electromagnetic field of energy emitted by the human heart? Could that affect growth?  Quote:
Inocuole said: Look, I put a lot of love into my first few grows because I was into all that bullshit and they turned out subpar. I got better and my grows got better too, while I also slowly became more jaded and realistic about my worldview. Cultivation is about skill, patience, good habits, and biological needs. I can save the spirituality for when I've actually eaten the mushrooms if I care to mull over all that again.
All I'm saying is, the mushrooms really don't care. If they do they have the weirdest way of showing it.
We can't pretend they're this sophisticated set of entities when they basically froth at the mouth at the sight of a fresh heap of equine turds. That's what they love. It's what they know, and it's what they appreciate.
We pretend men are a sophisticated set of entities and they basically froth at the mouth at the sight of boobs or bacon, sooooo... uhh huh, I see the frothing.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22225908 - 09/12/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes but mushrooms make us breathe their jizz basically, so they're no less lewd. Fair enough point though. Still, I don't think they have feelings or anything. Then again, I've never called them stupid or tried antagonizing them. I don't want the wrath if there is one.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22225924 - 09/12/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is just too funny not to share!! Now my Amazon link says: Shop for: Dehydrator, Delicious Bacon, Hot Sauce Sorry for getting off topic though. One second... ׺°”˜`”°º× l๏l l๏l l๏l l๏l l๏l אครร.. เ ฬคкє ภ ๒คкє๔. l๏l l๏l l๏l ׺°”˜`”°º× So does electricity or do magnets affect mushroom growth? People are talking about how they gave their shrooms some shitty energy and they grew well, and as someone stated above, they LOVE poo. So what if energy given by us in general helps then grow, no matter what type it is? Maybe they take that crap energy and recycle or transmute it and just use the good energy as straight up nutrition?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22225936 - 09/12/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The problem is people are projecting what they want on the mushrooms. Mushrooms don't want love or attention. They want the basic parameters of life and to be left alone. They demand respect. That's it. When people learn this their grows start to improve.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22225966 - 09/12/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi Pastywhyte, why is it a problem? Why is our tendency to anthropomorphize anything different than translating words from one language to another? How do you KNOW they don't want love or attention?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22225995 - 09/12/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I get grows like that by not messing with them. I set everything up and dialed in and other than a daily check in to ensure trich ain't rampaging or stuff ain't drying out I leave them the hell alone. Its those people constantly looking in, unnecessarily misting and fanning, etc that have problems. Remember our greatest enemy is contamination and the number 1 contam vector is you. They are similar to reptiles. They need their space.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22226019 - 09/12/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I should also state that for open air grows and cakes in SGFC a little more attention is needed due to conditions provided. But only to a point. Exceed that and problems will arise.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22226049 - 09/12/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow!!! Great pics Pastywhyte!!! As I stated before, I'm certainly not willing to risk contamination for the sake of giving them good energy. Do you think sound (music) vibrations could have any negative effect? Notes or photos taped on the outside of their chamber? Overdoing anything is obviously not a great idea. I am good with not disturbing the setup or risking any kind of contamination. I guess the things I'm talking about are less invasive. Do you see any problem with those ideas?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22226058 - 09/12/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think they are pointless but if it makes you feel good then go for it. I named a tub once, put a tag on it, etc. Its a good tub but I have zero delusions that its was my aesthetic enhancements that cause the grows in it to do well. It can see trich just as easy as any other tub.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
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Stewbid1 said: Hi Pastywhyte, why is it a problem? Why is our tendency to anthropomorphize anything different than translating words from one language to another? How do you KNOW they don't want love or attention?
If you really want to indulge in superstition the general sentiment is that mushrooms just want to be left alone. Do a search. You'll find lots of comments like "Don't check them all the time" and "Don't peek" and "Forget about them for a couple weeks." 
I also believe mushrooms are "happiest" when you don't tear them from their home and eat them. That's just cruel.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22226419 - 09/12/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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maddchef said: Life with any female
Speak for yourself! Lol... Last time I checked, mental illness was not a qualifier to be female. Men can be emotional bi-polar (tub throwing) bitches too. Sounds like a you guys are a good match IMO. 
I take on hobbies, like growing shroomies, to keep me from doing the things I sometimes think to myself when my man acts like he has sand in his vagina. So yes, even as an atheist, I think cultivation is a form of meditation and semantically speaking, spirituality.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Kalistis]
#22226433 - 09/12/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Being cathartic does not necessarily make it spiritual.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22226504 - 09/12/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah men throw tubs buts its the females that enrage us to throw them
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22226637 - 09/12/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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....looks over at wife......yea, you provoke me.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Spiracha]
#22226646 - 09/12/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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When women get familiar with a man they like to push his buttons. It's just a given.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22226686 - 09/12/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: When women get familiar with a man they like to push his buttons. It's just a given.
Mine's pretty good at not pushing mine most of the time. She has seen how bad it can get and now works to keep me from being set off. She don't want me to end up in jail from smashin some dudes face in a bar fight or tearing doors off hinges etc. A good woman. She even tries to keep a little weed stashed around just in case I need it. For emergency rage prevention please pack bong.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22226695 - 09/12/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah hopefully they know about those buttons and keep them safely hidden away. That's a good trait indeed. Sometimes I just give mine a look and she knows to take over talking so I don't make a scene.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22226898 - 09/12/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I typically try to avoid conflict, go quiet, and let myself cool off before I speak. If I'm still angry 24 hours later I'll say something. I used to blow up. I realize it just makes me look like an idiot.
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I fully use mine for spiritual uses. Make a ritual about it as often as i can. I believe that when I treat them nice they treat me the same. Maybe it's the attitude I have toward them that influences the trip but regardless who are we to say any one reality is the right one. If theres one thing these experiences have taught us it should be that.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
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EntheoGod said: but regardless who are we to say any one reality is the right one.
If anyone, scientists. They are to say.
They are primary decomposers. They don't need a buddy to talk to.
People LOVE to associate meaning with them because they contain a psychedelic substance. You don't get that kind of weird shit with people who just grow edibles and nothing else.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22230082 - 09/13/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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DaveyJones6911 said: these ideas have been widely debunked as pure nonsense.
energy can be measured, but this kind of energy cannot. the reason being that it is imaginary energy. it doesn't actually exist.
you should google a guy named James Randi and what he has to say about it.
have you ever actually eaten a mushroom? that's where the spirituality comes in...
DaveyJones, if you believe that the spirituality comes in at all, then how can you believe that it doesn't exist? We can't measure other universes's black holes yet either, yet we know they exist. What if (pure speculation lol) it can and has been measured and this information just hasn't been made public? What if it's actually a constant? What if the C in Einstein's E=MC2 is actually consciousness (I mean we are proving that the speed of light is actually not a constant, and why did he use a C instead of an S to supposedly represent the speed of light in the first place)? And yes, I have eaten shrooms. 
i'm not saying spirituality doesn't exist, i'm saying the 'energy' you want to manipulate doesn't exist.
and if E=MC2 = consciousness, all it means is that we are already in the matrix, and everything we have ever experienced is artificial, figments of our own imagination.
and we cannot measure black holes, but we can measure the effect they have on the matter surrounding them.
but what is spirituality anyway? i don't think it has anything to do with believing in silly things or trying to manipulate things you presume to understand. these things to me are the opposite of spirituality.
true spirituality is what happens when you eat a mushroom and spend 4-6 hours looking in a mirror learning how to improve yourself. spirituality is asking the difficult questions, or looking at things you really wish you could hide from yourself.
spirituality is not looking outward, it is looking inward. after all, that is where the spirit lives.
spirituality is about asking questions, not presuming to know answers.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
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Thank you.
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DaveyJones, are you denying that our electromagnetic field exists, that it affects other organisms around us, and that our field is affected by our mood and mind frame? There are many studies showing otherwise. Artificial as in inorganic? I'm not sure what you're saying there. Even if we create it, that doesn't make it less real What is spirituality? Psychology began as a form of spirituality. It was originally the study of the soul. There are probably 7 billion different definitions of what spirituality means, and to me, all have validity. For me it is the acknowledgement of the Spirit, of energies and forces which are yet immeasurable with our current tools, it is to explore different perspectives, introspection, and the experience and fearless exploration of the Great Mystery, without judgement. You said, "spirituality is about asking questions, not presuming to know answers"... Are you not presuming to know the answers by deeming my version of spirituality as silly? How did you arrive at the conclusion that spirituality was entirely about looking inward? IMHO, sometimes looking outward is a great and clear mirror. Of course that stems from my belief that the way we look at things changes what we look at. I know that many people say that the double-slit experiment is not applicable to humans, yet aren't we essentially a huge collection of atoms? I suppose what I'm saying is that looking outward as a part of looking inward only applies if the Observer has an influence on the Observed. Either way, I respect your views, and I love questions. I have no answers.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
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That energy does exist. We can not manipulate it. Everything we experience is not artificial figments of our imagination. It's reality. Reality is of our own perception and understandings, but it is still reality. Even if your reality were to come to an abrupt end, reality would still exist for the rest of us the same it always had. We can measure the mass of black holes.
Spirituality is having a personal connection with God, nature, animals, other people, and yourself. Spirituality does exist, but like you said there are about 7 billion different variations of it. It is what makes each and everyone of us, it's something out of our control. So if you want to sing to your mushrooms, go ahead, that's who you are and that's where your faith lies.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22230839 - 09/13/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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words do a piss poor job explaining "spirituality"
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22230896 - 09/13/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm gonna have to lead this back to a slightly more on topic understanding. Yes spirituallity is something not defined by science as of yet and I'm not going to take a stance that its unimportant in the context of our lives. But its not a factor in mushroom cultivation as far as I am able to tell. I have not once sung or meditated or provided my mushrooms with anything more than a competitor free substrate to grow in and a good environment to fruit in. Yet despite that I see very high bio efficiency. If a spiritual component was needed by the mushrooms to grow and thrive, I certainly would not be seeing bio efficiency first flush of 175%.
Mushroom cultivation is something measured and executed by the scientific method. If you fail to properly sterilize your grain spawn you will end up with bacillius. Praying, singing, painting rainbows and performing dances will not change that. Bacillus will stall the grains or prevent good recovery upon spawning. This will lead to an outbreak of trich and/or poor first flush yields.
I suggest people get spiritual with the mushrooms when they consume them. Its a better fit at that point.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231072 - 09/13/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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notice how pasty says he doesn't sing to them….but…I'm 99% certain he got dat free style nu-flow in the AM. plus, he sings in the shower, within ear reach of the tubs…doesn't that count???
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blindingleaf]
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Hell when I got the bass thumping even my neighbors can hear. . .
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and if E=MC2 = consciousness, all it means is that we are already in the matrix, and everything we have ever experienced is artificial, figments of our own imagination.
lol what?
E=(MC2)/(sqrt(1-(v/c)) is the equation, where v=particle velocity and c=speed of light in vacuum. Where you got that consciousness bullshit I don't know or care. I'm a nuclear engineer, please don't argue the theory of relativity with me. It is valid, or nuclear reactors would not exist.
The rest of what you said is wrong too except when talking about dreams. Everything we experience is the result of our brains interpreting stimuli. I would not call that imagination. It is called perception and there is a difference.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22231169 - 09/13/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Scientists in the field even agree that this is not the only reality. I am a college student pursuing a degree in psychology and believe me the word reality is a loaded term. What's real to one person may not be real to the next. I have done plenty reading in both west and east philosophy to at least know that if u claim your reality is the only one then youre insane. I also have a keen interest in intelligence in nature look up tobacco plants genetically modified to glow when they "think" they lit up when humans were talking to it or touching it. Intelligence isnt a rare phenomenon like most westerners would like to think. So dont throw out the idea of talking or singing to ur mushrooms. You can test this but predetermined biases will/can cause results to be insignificant.
This is a very important topic to me because I have been in my field of study for around 5 years now and believe I am entitled to say that, regardless of whether I have a physics phd or one in psychology, we cannot say for a fact that the way we perceive the world around us doesnt affect the physical matter in the world. Read any of rupert sheldrakes books on morphic resonance, his book the sense of being stared at would be a great one to start with. Also If you want more reading about how factual it is that this reality is the only one then you should read Cosmic serpant or intelligence in nature by jeremy narby. More readings on the cultural background of the magic mushroom can also give you more more insight into how these mushrooms may have affected us as we evolved as a species read Persephones quest by r gordon wasson the first westerner to ever experience a mushroom trip in a spiritual context. Before hand wasson was a banker. These are but a few readings that may persuade you to think differently about how you treat your mushrooms.
PM me if you want more suggested readings toward the matter. I believe someone should do an experiment on this matter sometime soon in this forum so we can settle it. Still wouldnt settle it though because of what i mentioned before, those predetermined biases would affect how we treat each of the variables. I highly recommend talking with them and giving them care.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231191 - 09/13/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i seem to grow sadistic mushrooms
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231220 - 09/13/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Primary... decomposers..... Humans are a contam vector..... reality is just reality, we don't have different realities, we have different perceptions, stop dragging cultivation into this hippie mumbo jumbo bullshit.

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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231256 - 09/13/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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EntheoGod said: So dont throw out the idea of talking or singing to ur mushrooms. You can test this but predetermined biases will/can cause results to be insignificant.
So let me get this straight. Are you proposing that the act of singing to your mushrooms is going to benefit some aspect of their development beyond what proper cultivation practices will? You're also saying that it will be difficult to test in a controlled setting because the structure of the hypothesis may invalidate the benefits? Thats convienent.
I am curious to see the harvests of a person who provided their fruits with love and attention and compare them with my own. Convince me of a benefit. If my attention to sterile tek, culturing, dialing in chambers, etc, can be replaced with song then I will give it an honest shot. But first I need to see something convincing. Show me a perfect canopy that was attained via love and love alone and I will be right up there singing away. I will even write a tek on it 
Until then I stand by my original position that the mushrooms don't want your love or faith. They want food, a competetor free environment, and good fruiting conditions.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231262 - 09/13/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe the love is in your attention to detail that allows your shrooms to thrive?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22231265 - 09/13/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't tell if I'm cultivating mushrooms or if the mushrooms are cultivating me.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blackdust]
#22231271 - 09/13/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said: maybe the love is in your attention to detail that allows your shrooms to thrive? 
If that's what people want to call it then cool. But there is no deviation. That love must be expressed the same by all.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231272 - 09/13/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: wolf fish]
#22231281 - 09/13/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wolf fish said: I can't tell if I'm cultivating mushrooms or if the mushrooms are cultivating me.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22231282 - 09/13/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am not saying it will affect the way they grow if other aspects of the environment arent met. Hell no. I believe first and foremost you should meet the needs of the physical mushroom. But if you want to talk to it or sing to it or just think positively toward it that may help in the long run to. I dont want to argue with anyone but it is my opinion on the matter as well as many scholars who have done several experiments with the mushrooms themselves and the states of consciousness that they elicit.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231287 - 09/13/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Link? I want to read that paper.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231307 - 09/13/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That makes sense Pastywhyte. To each his or her own.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231319 - 09/13/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Link? I want to read that paper.
Me too, probably for the same reason.
To take the 10 seconds it takes to debunk that shit
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22231373 - 09/13/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once more I would like to stress that I am not looking to deflate peoples beliefs or piss on anyones need to feel spiritual. But this is the Mushroom Cultivation forum and in this forum we need results to determine what is good practice and what is not. There are so many vectors in this hobby, and that means we need damn good reasons to engage in the practices we are using. Failure is around every corner in this hobby. Standards must be met and proven, otherwise we risk leading people astray.
Maybe on some intangible level your mushrooms will appreciate the spiritual efforts made and reward you with 1% greater BE or 0.002% more psilocybin. But even if that was the case, I would still argue that ones energies would be better spent on other aspects of the cultivation process. That is all I am looking to do. I just want to help people get better results. Stuff like this simply muddies the waters.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231424 - 09/13/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Once more I would like to stress that I am not looking to deflate peoples beliefs or piss on anyones need to feel spiritual. But this is the Mushroom Cultivation forum and in this forum we need results to determine what is good practice and what is not. There are so many vectors in this hobby, and that means we need damn good reasons to engage in the practices we are using. Failure is around every corner in this hobby. Standards must be met and proven, otherwise we risk leading people astray.
Maybe on some intangible level your mushrooms will appreciate the spiritual efforts made and reward you with 1% greater BE or 0.002% more psilocybin. But even if that was the case, I would still argue that ones energies would be better spent on other aspects of the cultivation process. That is all I am looking to do. I just want to help people get better results. Stuff like this simply muddies the waters.
QFT
I'm sure we all do and think weird things, and our tendency is to attribute the effects these things have on the outcome of a project. its good to realize when we are doing that, consciously or unconsciously.
and besides…some things….like spirituality….are best left untold. words and explanations belittle that which is beyond our understanding.
those things are best left to just be experienced, not necessarily rationalized and explained.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
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My sentiments about sentience exactly EthneoGod. Perhaps someday the few of us who do inject some spirituality along with our spores can have a huge party with those who don't and scientifically test the potency of each type together. So since we seem to be on a similar wavelength, what do you think of playing 7.83 Hz sounds to them? I believe most recordings can be translated to 7.83. Do you think that if I were to use the Martha tek and wanted to experiment with different frequencies etc. I would have to put different sets of subjects in different rooms? Another floor of the house? Do you happen to know whether mushrooms have been tested by electrophysiological methods? Do you have any suggestions on how one might go about testing this?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#22231709 - 09/13/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: DaveyJones, are you denying that our electromagnetic field exists, that it affects other organisms around us, and that our field is affected by our mood and mind frame? There are many studies showing otherwise. Artificial as in inorganic? I'm not sure what you're saying there. Even if we create it, that doesn't make it less real What is spirituality? Psychology began as a form of spirituality. It was originally the study of the soul. There are probably 7 billion different definitions of what spirituality means, and to me, all have validity. For me it is the acknowledgement of the Spirit, of energies and forces which are yet immeasurable with our current tools, it is to explore different perspectives, introspection, and the experience and fearless exploration of the Great Mystery, without judgement. You said, "spirituality is about asking questions, not presuming to know answers"... Are you not presuming to know the answers by deeming my version of spirituality as silly? How did you arrive at the conclusion that spirituality was entirely about looking inward? IMHO, sometimes looking outward is a great and clear mirror. Of course that stems from my belief that the way we look at things changes what we look at. I know that many people say that the double-slit experiment is not applicable to humans, yet aren't we essentially a huge collection of atoms? I suppose what I'm saying is that looking outward as a part of looking inward only applies if the Observer has an influence on the Observed. Either way, I respect your views, and I love questions. I have no answers.
well consider what you are trying to do: manipulate unseen forces for the sake of satisfying a desire to grow better mushrooms. i don't think spirituality has anything to do with trying to get what you want.
by contrast a more spiritual endeavour might be to improve your own understanding of the mushroom and what it actually wants.
as for electromagnetic fields, many double blind studies have been done on all sorts of things like this and the results are invariably the same: no results that cannot be explained by random chance have ever been recorded. this in sharp contrast to what science has given us. which is everything we have seen so far.
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and if E=MC2 = consciousness, all it means is that we are already in the matrix, and everything we have ever experienced is artificial, figments of our own imagination.
lol what?
E=(MC2)/(sqrt(1-(v/c)) is the equation, where v=particle velocity and c=speed of light in vacuum. Where you got that consciousness bullshit I don't know or care. I'm a nuclear engineer, please don't argue the theory of relativity with me. It is valid, or nuclear reactors would not exist.
The rest of what you said is wrong too except when talking about dreams. Everything we experience is the result of our brains interpreting stimuli. I would not call that imagination. It is called perception and there is a difference.
i got the consciousness nonsense from stewbit1 who suggested that e=mc2 = consciousness.
which i took to mean that the rules of reality such as the laws of physics being created by consciousness. and that to me sounds like suggesting that reality is illusionary.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22231717 - 09/13/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Active mushrooms which you are considering spiritual are a tiny fraction of the mushroom kingdom, nothing spiritual about the mushrooms on your pizza and farms across the world are doing exactly like is being said...left the fuck alone to do there thing
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
#22231732 - 09/13/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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See, that's the thing. I think these people would sing to their weed plants and their Bufo toads and their cubensis, but not their peppers, tree frogs, and shiitake. (I know nobody actually keeps Bufo toads... I hope anyway.)
It's a form of becoming self absorbed. You just skirt the idea by projecting yourself onto everything else, or more specifically, the things that you like. Didn't think I'd say it but I agree with DaveyJones on this.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231803 - 09/13/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's cited in Jeremy narbys book intelligence in nature. Ill find it once i get home. I'm at work right now away from my books
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231852 - 09/13/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Umm jeremy narby is an anthropologist. Taking his word on this is like letting a cab driver do your double bypass.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231888 - 09/13/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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He cited it from a research paper that scientists wrote. He didn't write it himself.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231903 - 09/13/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im arguing it's possible to affect them through your talking or thoughts I'm not saying it will work.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said: Umm jeremy narby is an anthropologist. Taking his word on this is like letting a cab driver do your double bypass.
Saying that is like saying information gained from R Gordon wasson, before he was the first westerner to experience a mushroom ceremony, isn't worth listening to about the sacred mushroom.
Information gained any way is credible and worth looking at. How else would we get a interdisciplinary approach toward anything?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
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[Quote]Stewbid1 said: My sentiments about sentience exactly EthneoGod. Perhaps someday the few of us who do inject some spirituality along with our spores can have a huge party with those who don't and scientifically test the potency of each type together. So since we seem to be on a similar wavelength, what do you think of playing 7.83 Hz sounds to them? I believe most recordings can be translated to 7.83. Do you think that if I were to use the Martha tek and wanted to experiment with different frequencies etc. I would have to put different sets of subjects in different rooms? Another floor of the house? Do you happen to know whether mushrooms have been tested by electrophysiological methods? Do you have any suggestions on how one might go about testing this?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
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Thanks for the tip. However, I know of the edit button i wanted to just reply normally because I didn't see the op's response first and also im on mobile. I wanted the op to forsure see that I responded. Why must everyone resort to being a smartass or try belittling me because you disagree. There are nicer ways to go about disagreeing.
I apologize if i upset someone i thought it was okay to pose an opinion and show my resources. No hard feelings toward anyone i enjoy a debate and I still want all you to be willing to help me if i were to need it. But I believe I agree more with the OP.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
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the debate is perfectly fine but everytime you post you bump this thread to the top and all the actual cult posts get bumped down
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: the debate is perfectly fine but everytime you post you bump this thread to the top and all the actual cult posts get bumped down
I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to a more appropriate forum myself.
Also I have great respect for the field in anthropology and for the ethnostenographers that first brought the knowledge of these ethnogens to light. But IMO they are even less qualified to make observations than we are. Be sure to post what paper he is citing when you get home. One way or another it would at least bring this whole thread back onto a track more suited to this forum.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to a more appropriate forum myself.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
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Maybe if there is any truth to this it's our own brains doing the work and not the mushrooms themselves interpreting anything.
Does wishing death on something work? Can you stare at an animal long enough and make it keel over? Maybe you are just willing the mushrooms to perform better with positive intention. I doubt any kind of communication through music or vibrations felt through 5 senses would show improvements.
Its an area where the only answers you are going to get are no and maybe. Try it for yourself, don't take anyone's opinion because reality is subjective. It's the same reason some people believe in miracles and some people don't
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
#22232554 - 09/13/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This topic has long been debated by biologists and botanists alike regarding the effects music has on animals and plant growth and development. It's frequently the subject of many science fair projects, but isn't really proven. Sure, plants have flourished with Mozart and died with heavy metal, but what's not to say that the amplitude or change in environment due to the waves didn't simply impact the growth conditions? There are also conflicting studies that propose that music only positively effects people when they enjoy what they are listening to...
Fungi are also very unique, almost alien, in comparison to every other leaving thing. And unless you are arguing (and can support) that they in some way conscious organisms capable of pleasure, than the spiritual aspect of cultivation is solely one sided unless proven otherwise.
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Hi again DaveyJones, As I stated previously, we all have our own understanding of spirituality. For me, growing the best, 'happiest' mushrooms possible is a way of increasing intelligence and understanding for the whole Universe. Some of my spiritual beliefs include that mushrooms, trees, etc. share a communication network which holds the history of Earth and other places. I believe we are all connected and that any energy we send to other sentient being always comes back to us. *I am you, you are I.* I believe that Mushrooms are nothingless than the fruit of the Gods, a benevolent and generous gift, and I use them as a communion and healing tool, as they use me to help them propagate. This is a symbiotic relationship. I believe there are different varieties or levels of plant and mushroom intelligence just as their of human intelligence. I believe that imbuing them with love and honor may assist them in reaching their potential. As far as spirituality not being a means to get what we want, even if that thing is simply peace and love, all of our motivations are self serving to some extent if we are willing to look at our motivations honestly. We are a worship craving species. Even to serve or worship a God etc. is a means of getting what we want (a connection with that entity). I would appreciate a link to the links you speak of (please no commercially funded studies?).
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#22233071 - 09/13/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi GreenRabbit, Thank you for replying to my post. I tried to look into the equation you stated: E=(MC2)/(sqrt(1-(v/c)). I found many variations, such as: E = mc2/(1 - v2/c2)1/2 only in the case of a particle with non-zero rest mass, which apparently depends on whether you're an energist or a massist lol.. I could not find any sources verifying your long form equation. I am certainly not interested in arguing with a person of your credentials (or anyone else for that matter), so please understand that I'm asking purely out of curiosity, so with all due respect, would you please link me to an explanation of said equation? Isn't the C in the equation (which obviously is normally equated wit the speed of light which is supposedly a Constant.. however.. http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html) supposed to literally stand for Constant? Although I understand that you don't care how I came up with this theory, I'd just like to say that it has a lot to do with this story about Einsten: http://www.stresscure.com/hrn/einstein.html . Love that story. You said, "If it was not correct then nuclear reactors would not exist." How is that proof? Many machines are built on variables. It doesn't have to be perfect to work. I am a person with many questions, they are not intended to in any way insult your intelligence or to disrespect you or your version of reality. I have a lot of respect for anyone willing to take the necessary risks to work with such energy as you do. Is there any chance that you, as a scientist, would consider assisting me in formulating a decent experiment concerning my ideas?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
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Stewbid1 said: story about Einsten: http://www.stresscure.com/hrn/einstein.html .
Hey, thanks for the story, never read that before.
You seem like a curious person, and I don't want to be burdensome but if you ever have a bored minute and you're at your computer, I would greatly appreciate a pm with whatever it is that you think is beneficial reading, short stories, podcasts, anything really. Anything you may have stumbled across that you consider worth sharing.
Only if you'd like to. I might have a thing or two to share as well. Sorry to derail.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22233216 - 09/13/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My bad, both the v and C should have been squared. With that fixed, your equation is actually mathematically the same.
Where you write mc2, that is not m*C*2 it is mc^2 and your v2/c2 is again v^2/C^2. Also, that 1/2 at end is a power to the half which is the same as a square root.
So E=(MC^2)/(sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2)) is the same as your E = (mc^2)/((1 - (v^2/c^2)))^1/2 where I just added the '^' and parenthesis to make it valid. Writing equation in these text boxes is kind of a bitch.
As for your link about speed of light not being constant, it 404ed lol... So my guess is that they are referring to light travelling through different media. The speed of light (C) is only referring to the speed of light in a vacuum. It is constant UNLESS you change the medium. The speed of light in water is much slower than it is in a vacuum or a less viscous fluid such as air. It is however, still constant unless you are able to change the medium. (Say you have a extremely long tube with a ton of thick gas in it, as the photon travels, you remove the gas slowly, that photon will speed up.) But again, I was not able to read the article since the link doesn't work.
Now for my "If it was not correct then nuclear reactors would not exist" statement. You said it doesn't have to be perfect to work. Well, you are right. Mathematics are never perfect in the real world, and we don't need them to be precise. All equations are only an approximation. They need to be accurate enough to get the job done. You can't land on the moon with an inaccurate equation.
If the theory of gravity was wrong, we wouldn't be able to land rovers on mars. It is correct but only to a certain extent, however, it is accurate enough for us to use it, and we have successfully landed a satellite on a asteroid orbiting the sun. It's hard to argue that the theory of gravity is wrong when we have been so successful with it.
The theory of relativity is correct enough for us to use it to control a fission reaction. If we were wrong, every reactor would either not produce enough power to sustain a reaction and fail to generate power, or it would overheat and melt the core.
Your second link is interesting. It may be true that he popped in the C but it worked out mathematically in the end. Since then, it has been supported countless times. There is real world evidence of relativity as well.
http://www.livescience.com/48922-theory-of-relativity-in-real-life.html
Light bending around black holes is further evidence as well. Space and time are related.
From google: Thanks to time dilation, astronauts who spend a long time on the International Space Station actually age less than their counterparts on the ground—granted only by about 0.007 seconds every six months, but it's still a manifestation of a pretty weird quirk of constantly traveling at over 17,000-miles per hour.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22233766 - 09/13/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: the debate is perfectly fine but everytime you post you bump this thread to the top and all the actual cult posts get bumped down
I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to a more appropriate forum myself.
Also I have great respect for the field in anthropology and for the ethnostenographers that first brought the knowledge of these ethnogens to light. But IMO they are even less qualified to make observations than we are. Be sure to post what paper he is citing when you get home. One way or another it would at least bring this whole thread back onto a track more suited to this forum.
Im home now and here is the study I was talking about it was done by a man named Trewavas. His experiment is discussed on page 88 and 89 of Intelligence in nature by jeremy narby. I was wrong about him providing the source however he did mention the name of the person who did the experiment. His name is Tony Trewavas. Exact quote from the book goes like this "They were studying how plants perceive signals and transmit information internally. Using genetic manipulation, the scientists inserted into tobacco plants a protein that make them glow when calcium levels rise inside their cells. They suspected changes in cellular calcium concentration to be a major means by which plants perceive external events. To their amazement, they found the tobacco plant responded immediately to touch. Though tobacco is not to be touch sensitive, one gentle stroke caused the modified plants to glow with the light produced by the elevation of calcium inside their cells....if you keep touching a plant it slows down its growth and it gets thicker."
This is just the part that is mentioned in the book, when i looked into it a little more they had done several other tests as well with voice, temperature changes, etc... and found it reacted similarly. This is but one example of intelligence found in plants and mushrooms are closer related to humans than we might be willing to admit. This shows that the same chemicals that are used to "think" in a plant are the same that are used in the brains sodium potassium pump when we are doing every day activities. I highly recommend reading jeremy narbys cosmic serpent and intelligence in nature. It will show further support for the claims being made here. I can point out other support for this as well that has been tested if given the time to do so.
Also, how can we even make the claim the plants or other living things don't react to the way they are treated just like we do. When someone hurts your feelings, you feel bad and you may behave differently thereon. We dont know enough about this world to claim that we are the only living things that can do this. In fact that claim is arrogant almost as arrogant as saying we are the only thinking thing in this universe not just thinking but feeling. We are not the only thing in this universe that can respond to "vibes" there are more scientific ways of discussing this but it may not be as easily understood as using the hippie language to talk about it. That may be why this is being hated on so bad. If we used more sciency terms maybe things would be more accepted because whether people will believe it or not we have tested things like this before and we have gotten results you just need to search for them. It is all perspective.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22233880 - 09/13/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry but thigtropic responses in plants are not anything new. Also I am aware of the genetic similarities between fungi and animals. But its got nothing to do with the species of cubensis and proves zero regarding the notions of music and cubes. Its barely not even worthwhile speculating about. As for communication in nature if that sort of thing interests you I recommend you look into some of the studies and experiments showing how plants use mycorhyzzal myc networks to communicate.
Again nothing anyone has said or presented thus far has lead me to think that musical stimulus or positive thinking could have even the most minute impact on our grows. You want to grow wall to wall flushes and potent mushrooms? Then ignore bs like this and use proper cultivation techniques. Like I said before save the love and spiritual feelings for when you eat them. Use precision and planning when you grow them.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22234667 - 09/13/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you should instead say that if you want to use any spirituality in the growing of them by all means go for it but it is not necessary at all and while you must meet certain environmental requirements, if you want talking to them might be your preference. I personally like to only think positive thoughts while following the tek precisely. Do not compromise the tek for your spiritual needs. Why cant we just compromise? Does there always have to be a bad person in these debates man? I still hold steady that no negative feelings toward any of you and i would hope if i needed the help on something related to cultivation you would still assist if you had the knowledge. You are insulting those that feel the spirituality of this is necessary to their cultivating. I would think as a trusted cultivator you would lead by example on these forums. No disrespect meant at all dude. I just feel that this needs to be addressed with a more open mind. I was not saying that by any means you should open the sgfc any moment to cuddle the mushrooms. I was saying that if you think that being positive or making a ritual out of cultivation helped your grows then by all means do it. You may be able to make different correlations about how the person treats them and how they grow. One being that just because they think positively about them doesnt mean its that to be at fault. They could be thinking positively and this could be causing them to be smarter and more precise in their cultivating. So you can see that thinking positively is correlated to good cultivating skills which in turn causes better mushrooms than if you were to think negatively and disregard their needs.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22234743 - 09/13/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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First off I wasn't trying to insult anyone. Second this is a board dedicated to mushroom cultivation. Finally i am sure that an atheist could grow just as successfully as any shaman.
Your projecting the needs of the person to the needs of the grow. If a person needs to feel spiritually connected to their grow in order to remember to mist their cakes or flame their scalpel between transfers then thats one thing. But the mushrooms don't need that. I am certain that in the future mushroom cultivation will be done by machine simply because you remove the biggest contam vector at that point. I am sure no one is gonna bother to program it with a soul.
Again if someone feels that a ritual mindset helps then grow better fine. But I doubt that in nature the cow feels much other than a need to take a shit. Your feeling spiritual about it in no way effects the spores ability to germinate or helps establish a pinset.
Finally i may be a TC but that doesn't mean I need to be supportive of any idea put forth on these boards. It means I am expected to give good information. Information supported by evidence.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22234786 - 09/13/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alright this debate feels meaningless now because you're repeating what I just openly declared. You are attempting to seem like the winner in a debate. I'm not trying to win I'm wanting to support my opinion in the topic. I understand this isnt the forum for this discussion but then someone should move it. I didn't post it here and its an easy mistake to put a thread in the wrong spot. Good vibes to you. I'm an atheist by the way and have had a class about shamanism. They grow very large ones outdoors naturally most of the time.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22234821 - 09/13/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes this thread is in the wrong spot. Look man I'm not even close to as big a hardass as you're painting me out to be. Incidentally I'm actually not an atheist either. I feel the want people have to relate to these life forms on a different level, to believe that my love and good vibes for them matter. But I also know that none of that is supported by science and even my own grows have not supported that angle. Some of my best work was when I was in dark places.
This isn't a debate. There is no question here. Many experiments would need to be done before we could have a debate. So I have not won nor am I looking to win. That is not the point I am trying to make.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22234957 - 09/13/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im just gonna end this with a quote from south park. I respect you bro.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22235110 - 09/14/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Finally i may be a TC but that doesn't mean I need to be supportive of any idea put forth on these boards. It means I am expected to give good information. Information supported by evidence.
The tag means you have proven yourself, nothing is expected from you other then to just be you https://www.shroomery.org/9892/Mycena-News That's about all i could think of when it comes to what a mushrooms knows and doenst' know and feels which is all physical
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
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As I stated previously, we all have our own understanding of spirituality. For me, growing the best, 'happiest' mushrooms possible is a way of increasing intelligence and understanding for the whole Universe.
that sounds all lofty n all, but in the end you are looking for a magical short cut.
spirituality is an endeavour to understand those things that cannot be defined in physical reality. trying to get the spirit world to help you out with your material desires in many ways is the opposite of spirituality.
indulging in beliefs is the death of spirituality. any time you presume to know something you close your mind to any truth that might deviate from that premise. no wonder then that the most pious and devout religious people behave in the most non-spiritual way possible and strap themselves with explosives.
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1. I'm not religious. 2. Beliefs are nothing more for me than a nod to the great Mysteries we are yet to discover,acknowledgement of the direction given to me by my intuition. The only time I've seen harm in beliefs is when one is too attached to them to consider new ones or when they experience so much cognitive dissonance in the face of evidence that their beliefs are false, that they are unwilling to let them go. Beliefs state in the very definition of the word that they are not facts, and should not be acted upon as such.
"All paths lead up the mountain - the only one lost is the man running around the base of the mountain telling everyone they are on the wrong path." ~Unknown Wise Guy
3. I am not interested in short cuts. I am interested in growing the most potent, powerful, healing mushrooms that I am able.
No one in this thread has shown me any concrete evidence that my ideas would actually harm growth, given that all the regular physical needs are met. Many people have said things like, "it has been disproven" without sharing any type of citation or even a link. (Other than the one citation critiquing Emoto). No one has given me any examples of the methods I've proposed having been proven to be ineffective. I'm trying to formulate an experiment that would prove or disprove that Spiritual methods are helpful in mushroom growing. If you have any ideas concerning that (which method would be best and easiest to test, how I can isolate each set given that I do not have a science lab here, etc.) please feel free to share. You have made your point that you disapprove of my version of spirituality, understood. This may be so, however we are still fellow air breathers who enjoy mushrooms and growing them. Imo this is enough reason for us to get along regardless of your feeling about my views and beliefs. If mushrooms can indeed process positive vibes, are affected by music or love, that may be helpful information for any grower.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22238101 - 09/14/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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With that logic wouldn't you just be spiritual in everything you do and not necessarilly just mushroom cultivation? like having whiter healthier teeth is an example I want that but I don't believe prayer is going to change I need to see a dentist
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22238134 - 09/14/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want to grow potent mushrooms then focus on genetics. In fact good genetics control most of the variables like speed and yields as well. Substrate composition, temps, and contamination all play a role as well, but genetics sets the stage for what you are working with and the others really just take away from that potential if conditions are not met.
I may have already been hinting at this a half dozen times in this thread but I will just come out and say it. If you want to have guaranteed potency with guaranteed yields and predictable speeds then spend your energy looking for either a killer isolate or clone. You can then grow that culture forever if you take care of it. That's how commercial farmers do it, that's how the big boys do it.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22239152 - 09/14/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly yes, I have yet to work with agar but I am buying the stuff asap. After watching RR's lets grow mushrooms it seems like a must.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
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3. I am not interested in short cuts. I am interested in growing the most potent, powerful, healing mushrooms that I am able.
then why don't you ask the mushroom?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
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Stewbid1 said: I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD. 
My main spiritual practice is Druidry. Say what you will and everyone is free to their opinion so feel free to toss it as hogwash and nonsense but in my grows I've always kept a couple of things in mind;
- Growing solely to make money will often cause a bad/no grow. The most common factor would be carelessness but I like to believe that the negative energy of greed will often back fire
- I've always made sure to develop a personal relationship with my grows. I keep it secret. I keep it safe. I talk to them and spend time with them, overall treat them as if they are my children. I feel like this helps in being attentive, careful and more professional
- Psychedellic music has always helped me in my grows. It makes me feel comfortable, work better and calmer. Through my calm and attentive demeanor I am able to process professional technique onto the mushrooms. I feel like the power of 432hz helps the shrooms. Music based on 432Hz transmits beneficial healing energy, because it is a pure tone of math fundamental to nature.
Other than that I grow mostly to help my small community of friends, make proud the Gods that I believe in and most importantly to seep in the information & knowledge they bestow upon me in order to heighten my senses and strengthen my relationship with the natural world, with my Gods and most importantly to ''fix'' myself in improvement and banish impurities from within.
This is just my 2cents on the matter and my rituals.
*EDIT* I am planning to construct my own orgones from dried up mushrooms. My wife hand crafts a lot of jewellery and has a lot of crystals. Both of us charge our crystals every full/new moon. We like to believe that it helps to amplify the energy in our home (feel free to disagree/call me stupid/crazy) and we also enjoy doing it. I do not yet understand the power of orgones other than to dismantle energies from cellphones, radio towers...etc There is something about them that peaked my interested which I would like to try out. I craft a lot by hand such as wood work and resin casts so I decided to give it a go and see what happens.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#22240012 - 09/15/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rosen_Rot said: [LIST] Growing solely to make money will often cause a bad/no grow. The most common factor would be carelessness but I like to believe that the negative energy of greed will often back fire
1. Don't talk about that here. 2. You're wrong, that's just your imagination.
See, people grow edibles/medicinals for money all the time and they don't do any of this shit. It doesn't make them taste less good. No form of produce cares if you intend to make money from it. This is what I'm talking about with people ONLY applying meaning to something because of the states it can bring them into. You don't care that it's a mushroom, you're still just caring that it's drugs, no matter how you dress it up and pretend that it's a sacrament.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22240017 - 09/15/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Makes you wonder how button farming could be a billion dollar industry.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
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It might be my imagination but that is what I have experienced with in the past hence I apply it to my methods. You don't need to apply it to yours. And you're wrong, it's not just about the drugs, in fact it bothers me a lot that some people come on here simply for the drugs but I keep my mouth shut about it. I am interested in edibles and poisonous mushrooms, am part of numerous groups where I, along with other members try to identify different mushrooms species and am planning my thesial work on oyster mushrooms. Its not just about the state of the magic mushroom that it can bring but I feel that way about any mushroom for that matter. Each and every one of them is special to me and peaks my interest to learn more about them (althought it's quite imposible considering the large range of species out there).
I am not trying to make myself sound like an expert. I've got a long way to go and a lot of errors and failures to face and learn from. However telling me that I'm in it just for the drugs is a little insulting.
I really don't care about the money that comes from mass production that others farm, good for them. I'll take interest in it but it's not something I want to pursue. It has never worked for me in that aspect. This is a hobby and I try to respect it as much as I can while applying what I deem my spiritual morals and value.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
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Then why is it morally okay to run an oyster business?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22240099 - 09/15/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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All kidding aside i would like to see some kind of example of how a substrate grown with love and good vibes performs. Everyone has seen my pics but I confess that I have seen pretty much nothing from those people who are advocating this as a measure of enhancing performance. Show me a pic where your results are devastatingly better than mine and I will play Yannie in my grow area 24-7. Rainbows and unicorns shall adorn my walls and visions of sugar plum fairys shall occupy my thoughts. Some indication of the improved results would be nice. Perhaps a side by side grow. Anything other than simple conjecture.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22240111 - 09/15/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why are you guys bashing on this dude? His personal relationship with his fruits have an effect on his trip...that's not so hard to believe. The human mind is an amazing thing...
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22240114 - 09/15/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The ol trump card.... The burden of proof.
Funny when a claim comes from a demographic which can be measured as simply not having grown as much as the demographic with the opposite opinion.
And flabber, these people aren't just claiming it's going to make the mushrooms feel stronger for them, they believe it'll make them stronger for other people.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22240122 - 09/15/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh gotcha. Yeah other people won't notice if you sing to your mushrooms or not when they eat them lol
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
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I never said I wanted to run an oyster business. I want to test out soil samples before and after the introduction of oyster mushrooms to see whether or not they have any affect on depleting the nitrate content in our soil from nutrient leaching. It's a big problem over here and I would like to experiment with it to maybe help create cleaner waters.
We don't have natural water sources such as mountains. We depend entirely on rain and the collected water underneath our rocks. Farmers over here are medeival, hard headed and continue to drudge on the idea that more fertilizers = bigger/better crops. That extra fertilizer leaches onto our water table during the rainy season and we end up with a shit ton of algae and other nasties.
EDIT; I also didn't claim any of what I believe to be facts or that it had any significance in extending my grow, on the contrary, my grows have been quite small. Its an open discussion and I gave my opinion on what I do. I gave my 2cents and that's it. None of you have to apply it to yours or agree. I also find spiritual relationships with trees, plants and animals and none of them have given me any ''buzz'' or trips. I feel connected big whoop.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
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Rosen_Rot said: I never said I wanted to run an oyster business.
Nor did I.
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Rosen_Rot said: I want to test out soil samples before and after the introduction of oyster mushrooms to see whether or not they have any affect on depleting the nitrate content in our soil from nutrient leaching. It's a big problem over here and I would like to experiment with it to maybe help create cleaner waters.
We don't have natural water sources such as mountains. We depend entirely on rain and the collected water underneath our rocks. Farmers over here are medeival, hard headed and continue to drudge on the idea that more fertilizers = bigger/better crops. That extra fertilizer leaches onto our water table during the rainy season and we end up with a shit ton of algae and other nasties.
Well that's admirable and a pretty serious issue. I respect those who put mushrooms to use for different purposes.
That's way more tangible than talking to cubes though.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
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so why did you ask me
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Inocuole said: Then why is it morally okay to run an oyster business?
I brought that issue as an example that my respect and spiritual morality goes towards all kinds of shrooms (since that's the topic here) and not just because they give me a better and more heavier trip. I don't claim that talking to my shrooms will yield bigger and better grows. My mind is sensitive and does not need a lot of break the barriers so really potency is not that big of an issue for me. I just talk to my shrooms and keep certain things in mind. That is all. The rest I rely on the information on here and along with practical science to aid me along the way.
I should have stuck to my original rule and just kept on lurking. I'm not good at discussing
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#22240192 - 09/15/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I play music to my mushrooms rosen rot don't worry lol. It's especially fun to talk with your mushrooms when you're tripping. Crazy stuff for sure.
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I talk to my shrooms when I am not tripping. I rarely trip and it's usually out in the wood lol I just like to walk in the room and see whats up, sometimes when I'm in an extra good mood I just tell them how amazing they are. I'm a nut.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
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Rosen_Rot said: so why did you ask me
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Inocuole said: Then why is it morally okay to run an oyster business?
I brought that issue as an example that my respect and spiritual morality goes towards all kinds of shrooms (since that's the topic here) and not just because they give me a better and more heavier trip. I don't claim that talking to my shrooms will yield bigger and better grows. My mind is sensitive and does not need a lot of break the barriers so really potency is not that big of an issue for me. I just talk to my shrooms and keep certain things in mind. That is all. The rest I rely on the information on here and along with practical science to aid me along the way.
I should have stuck to my original rule and just kept on lurking. I'm not good at discussing 
Because you said if you grow with the intent to make money they'll suck or fail. 
Anyway, I don't deny that this all probably works for you. I know drawing associations and ritualistic behavior has a much deeper effect than meets the eye, I'm just not sure that effect is actually contagious aside from the power of suggestion. That is to say, you can't develop a relationship with a certain grow and expect everyone to just feel the way you envisioned. (unless you envisioned a very broad sense of what a trip is, then kudos to you for good expectations.)
Like I said, and Pasty added, I've grown mushrooms that I was saying "end my fucking life please" in my head a bunch nearby, and people liked those MORE than the ones that I actually did put love and care into. Not that I ever tell anybody my personal business around the same time I give them mushrooms, but it seems best that way.
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Why is this even still a thread
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
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In my personal experience, growing with the intent of making money has never worked out for me. That's all I'm saying, for that matter, nothing I ever did with the intent of making profit has ever worked in my favor and I continue to struggle. I guess I am just not a money minded person.
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Inocuole said: I'm just not sure that effect is actually contagious aside from the power of suggestion. That is to say, you can't develop a relationship with a certain grow and expect everyone to just feel the way you envisioned. (unless you envisioned a very broad sense of what a trip is, then kudos to you for good expectations.)
Of course not, that is not my expectation at all. Its ridiculous to think that my relationship with my grow and the feelings I project will be ricochet onto other people's thoughts and mind frame. The grow is personal as are my thoughts and the relationship is strictly between me and the grow. What other people feel is none of my business.
I've had instances where friends came up to me and told me that this was one of the best trips ever but I do not blame it on my spirituality. To me, those kind of comments are just confirmation that I did a good job, applied good technique and cared enough to do good research in order to be successful.
However I am open to the idea and am more likely to believe that frequencies presented to a grow might have some effects on the rate and general healthiness of the grow but that still requires experimentation and as a pasty said, side by side grow of two tubs one presented with said frequency and the other without and even there and then, is it really proof or just a stroke of luck?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
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Its a stroke of luck. Good grows are the product of good genetics, impeccable sterile tek, and excellent conditions. Once people learn this they find their grows do excellent no matter how they feel about it.
I have had periods where I took on too much and it felt like a chore at that point. Yet my harvests were as bountiful as ever. Grow more, get more experience and you will understand. Its easy for people to notice little irrelevant corrolations when they have only done a few dozen grows. But eventually you get more experience and realize that most of that was in your head.
I like to think about what mushrooms talk about. I imagine it to be something like:
"Uh oh look whos back to mist us again. Like my cap ain't already saturated. Hey dickhead how bout some fresh air in here? We choking to death. Wait. Wait a minute. Whats that in his hand? Scissors! Nooooo I haven't even had a chance to bust a veil yet! Gonna die a virgin. You heartless bastard!"
Yeah that's what I think is going on. But its a pointless thing to bring into mush cult because its not really a relevant topic. Spiritual approaches to them are fine in regards to use. But its really not got anything to do with cultivation. If this was in any other forum I wouldn't care. But because its here, regardless of my personal feelings on the subject, my response must be
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