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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #22240095 - 09/15/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Then why is it morally okay to run an oyster business?


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22240099 - 09/15/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

All kidding aside i would like to see some kind of example of how a substrate grown with love and good vibes performs. Everyone has seen my pics but I confess that I have seen pretty much nothing from those people who are advocating this as a measure of enhancing performance. Show me a pic where your results are devastatingly better than mine and I will play Yannie in my grow area 24-7. Rainbows and unicorns shall adorn my walls and visions of sugar plum fairys shall occupy my thoughts.  Some indication of the improved results would be nice. Perhaps a side by side grow. Anything other than simple conjecture.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22240106 - 09/15/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22240111 - 09/15/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why are you guys bashing on this dude? His personal relationship with his fruits have an effect on his trip...that's not so hard to believe. The human mind is an amazing thing...


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22240114 - 09/15/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The ol trump card....  The burden of proof.

Funny when a claim comes from a demographic which can be measured as simply not having grown as much as the demographic with the opposite opinion.

And flabber, these people aren't just claiming it's going to make the mushrooms feel stronger for them, they believe it'll make them stronger for other people.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22240122 - 09/15/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh gotcha. Yeah other people won't notice if you sing to your mushrooms or not when they eat them lol


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22240123 - 09/15/15 08:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I never said I wanted to run an oyster business. I want to test out soil samples before and after the introduction of oyster mushrooms to see whether or not they have any affect on depleting the nitrate content in our soil from nutrient leaching. It's a big problem over here and I would like to experiment with it to maybe help create cleaner waters.

We don't have natural water sources such as mountains. We depend entirely on rain and the collected water underneath our rocks. Farmers over here are medeival, hard headed and continue to drudge on the idea that more fertilizers = bigger/better crops. That extra fertilizer leaches onto our water table during the rainy season and we end up with a shit ton of algae and other nasties.

EDIT; I also didn't claim any of what I believe to be facts or that it had any significance in extending my grow, on the contrary, my grows have been quite small. Its an open discussion and I gave my opinion on what I do. I gave my 2cents and that's it. None of you have to apply it to yours or agree. I also find spiritual relationships with trees, plants and animals and none of them have given me any ''buzz'' or trips. I feel connected big whoop.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #22240149 - 09/15/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I never said I wanted to run an oyster business.



Nor did I.

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I want to test out soil samples before and after the introduction of oyster mushrooms to see whether or not they have any affect on depleting the nitrate content in our soil from nutrient leaching. It's a big problem over here and I would like to experiment with it to maybe help create cleaner waters.

We don't have natural water sources such as mountains. We depend entirely on rain and the collected water underneath our rocks. Farmers over here are medeival, hard headed and continue to drudge on the idea that more fertilizers = bigger/better crops. That extra fertilizer leaches onto our water table during the rainy season and we end up with a shit ton of algae and other nasties.




Well that's admirable and a pretty serious issue.  I respect those who put mushrooms to use for different purposes.

That's way more tangible than talking to cubes though.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22240186 - 09/15/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

so why did you ask me
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Then why is it morally okay to run an oyster business?




I brought that issue as an example that my respect and spiritual morality goes towards all kinds of shrooms (since that's the topic here) and not just because they give me a better and more heavier trip. I don't claim that talking to my shrooms will yield bigger and better grows. My mind is sensitive and does not need a lot of break the barriers so really potency is not that big of an issue for me. I just talk to my shrooms and keep certain things in mind. That is all. The rest I rely on the information on here and along with practical science to aid me along the way.

I should have stuck to my original rule and just kept on lurking. I'm not good at discussing :wow:


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #22240192 - 09/15/15 08:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I play music to my mushrooms rosen rot don't worry lol. It's especially fun to talk with your mushrooms when you're tripping. Crazy stuff for sure.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #22240217 - 09/15/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I talk to my shrooms when I am not tripping. I rarely trip and it's usually out in the wood lol I just like to walk in the room and see whats up, sometimes when I'm in an extra good mood I just tell them how amazing they are. I'm a nut. :laugh2:


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #22240267 - 09/15/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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so why did you ask me
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Then why is it morally okay to run an oyster business?




I brought that issue as an example that my respect and spiritual morality goes towards all kinds of shrooms (since that's the topic here) and not just because they give me a better and more heavier trip. I don't claim that talking to my shrooms will yield bigger and better grows. My mind is sensitive and does not need a lot of break the barriers so really potency is not that big of an issue for me. I just talk to my shrooms and keep certain things in mind. That is all. The rest I rely on the information on here and along with practical science to aid me along the way.

I should have stuck to my original rule and just kept on lurking. I'm not good at discussing :wow:




Because you said if you grow with the intent to make money they'll suck or fail. :shrug:

Anyway, I don't deny that this all probably works for you.  I know drawing associations and ritualistic behavior has a much deeper effect than meets the eye, I'm just not sure that effect is actually contagious aside from the power of suggestion.  That is to say, you can't develop a relationship with a certain grow and expect everyone to just feel the way you envisioned. (unless you envisioned a very broad sense of what a trip is, then kudos to you for good expectations.) 

Like I said, and Pasty added, I've grown mushrooms that I was saying "end my fucking life please" in my head a bunch nearby, and people liked those MORE than the ones that I actually did put love and care into.  Not that I ever tell anybody my personal business around the same time I give them mushrooms, but it seems best that way.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #22240302 - 09/15/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Why is this even still a thread :smbfacepalm:


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
    #22240313 - 09/15/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

In my personal experience, growing with the intent of making money has never worked out for me. That's all I'm saying, for that matter, nothing I ever did with the intent of making profit has ever worked in my favor and I continue to struggle. I guess I am just not a money minded person.

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I'm just not sure that effect is actually contagious aside from the power of suggestion.  That is to say, you can't develop a relationship with a certain grow and expect everyone to just feel the way you envisioned. (unless you envisioned a very broad sense of what a trip is, then kudos to you for good expectations.)




Of course not, that is not my expectation at all. Its ridiculous to think that my relationship with my grow and the feelings I project will be ricochet onto other people's thoughts and mind frame. The grow is personal as are my thoughts and the relationship is strictly between me and the grow. What other people feel is none of my business.

I've had instances where friends came up to me and told me that this was one of the best trips ever but I do not blame it on my spirituality. To me, those kind of comments are just confirmation that I did a good job, applied good technique and cared enough to do good research in order to be successful.

However I am open to the idea and am more likely to believe that frequencies presented to a grow might have some effects on the rate and general healthiness of the grow but that still requires experimentation and as a pasty said, side by side grow of two tubs one presented with said frequency and the other without and even there and then, is it really proof or just a stroke of luck?


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #22240484 - 09/15/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Its a stroke of luck.  Good grows are the product of good genetics, impeccable sterile tek, and excellent conditions. Once people learn this they find their grows do excellent no matter how they feel about it.

I have had periods where I took on too much and it felt like a chore at that point. Yet my harvests were as bountiful as ever. Grow more, get more experience and you will understand.  Its easy for people to notice little irrelevant corrolations when they have only done a few dozen grows. But eventually you get more experience and realize that most of that was in your head.

I like to think about what mushrooms talk about. I imagine it to be something like:

"Uh oh look whos back to mist us again. Like my cap ain't already saturated.  Hey dickhead how bout some fresh air in here? We choking to death. Wait. Wait a minute. Whats that in his hand? Scissors!  Nooooo I haven't even had a chance to bust a veil yet! Gonna die a virgin. You heartless bastard!"

Yeah that's what I think is going on. But its a pointless thing to bring into mush cult because its not really a relevant topic. Spiritual approaches to them are fine in regards to use. But its really not got anything to do with cultivation. If this was in any other forum I wouldn't care. But because its here, regardless of my personal feelings on the subject,  my response must be :facepalm:


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1] * 1
    #22240532 - 09/15/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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