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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
    #22233216 - 09/13/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

My bad, both the v and C should have been squared. With that fixed, your equation is actually mathematically the same.

Where you write mc2, that is not m*C*2 it is mc^2 and your v2/c2 is again v^2/C^2. Also, that 1/2 at end is a power to the half which is the same as a square root.

So  E=(MC^2)/(sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2)) is the same as your E = (mc^2)/((1 - (v^2/c^2)))^1/2 where I just added the '^' and parenthesis to make it valid.
Writing equation in these text boxes is kind of a bitch.


As for your link about speed of light not being constant, it 404ed lol... So my guess is that they are referring to light travelling through different media.
The speed of light (C) is only referring to the speed of light in a vacuum. It is constant UNLESS you change the medium.
The speed of light in water is much slower than it is in a vacuum or a less viscous fluid such as air.
It is however, still constant unless you are able to change the medium.
(Say you have a extremely long tube with a ton of thick gas in it, as the photon travels, you remove the gas slowly, that photon will speed up.)
But again,  I was not able to read the article since the link doesn't work.


Now for my "If it was not correct then nuclear reactors would not exist" statement. You said it doesn't have to be perfect to work.
Well, you are right. Mathematics are never perfect in the real world, and we don't need them to be precise.
All equations are only an approximation. They need to be accurate enough to get the job done.
You can't land on the moon with an inaccurate equation.

If the theory of gravity was wrong, we wouldn't be able to land rovers on mars. It is correct but only to a certain extent, however, it is accurate enough for us to use it, and we have successfully landed a satellite on a asteroid orbiting the sun. It's hard to argue that the theory of gravity is wrong when we have been so successful with it.


The theory of relativity is correct enough for us to use it to control a fission reaction. If we were wrong, every reactor would either not produce enough power to sustain a reaction and fail to generate power, or it would overheat and melt the core.

Your second link is interesting. It may be true that he popped in the C but it worked out mathematically in the end.
Since then, it has been supported countless times. There is real world evidence of relativity as well.

http://www.livescience.com/48922-theory-of-relativity-in-real-life.html

Light bending around black holes is further evidence as well. Space and time are related.

From google:
Thanks to time dilation, astronauts who spend a long time on the International Space Station actually age less than their counterparts on the ground—granted only by about 0.007 seconds every six months, but it's still a manifestation of a pretty weird quirk of constantly traveling at over 17,000-miles per hour.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22233766 - 09/13/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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the debate is perfectly fine but everytime you post you bump this thread to the top and all the actual cult posts get bumped down




I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to a more appropriate forum myself.

Also I have great respect for the field in anthropology and for the ethnostenographers that first brought the knowledge of these ethnogens to light. But IMO they are even less qualified to make observations than we are. Be sure to post what paper he is citing when you get home. One way or another it would at least bring this whole thread back onto a track more suited to this forum.




Im home now and here is the study I was talking about it was done by a man named Trewavas. His experiment is discussed on page 88 and 89 of Intelligence in nature by jeremy narby. I was wrong about him providing the source however he did mention the name of the person who did the experiment. His name is Tony Trewavas. Exact quote from the book goes like this "They were studying how plants perceive signals and transmit information internally. Using genetic manipulation, the scientists inserted into tobacco plants a protein that make them glow when calcium levels rise inside their cells. They suspected changes in cellular calcium concentration to be a major means by which plants perceive external events. To their amazement, they found the tobacco plant responded immediately to touch. Though tobacco is not to be touch sensitive, one gentle stroke caused the modified plants to glow with the light produced by the elevation of calcium inside their cells....if you keep touching a plant it slows down its growth and it gets thicker."

This is just the part that is mentioned in the book, when i looked into it a little more they had done several other tests as well with voice, temperature changes, etc... and found it reacted similarly. This is but one example of intelligence found in plants and mushrooms are closer related to humans than we might be willing to admit. This shows that the same chemicals that are used to "think" in a plant are the same that are used in the brains sodium potassium pump when we are doing every day activities. I highly recommend reading jeremy narbys cosmic serpent and intelligence in nature. It will show further support for the claims being made here. I can point out other support for this as well that has been tested if given the time to do so.

Also, how can we even make the claim the plants or other living things don't react to the way they are treated just like we do. When someone hurts your feelings, you feel bad and you may behave differently thereon. We dont know enough about this world to claim that we are the only living things that can do this. In fact that claim is arrogant almost as arrogant as saying we are the only thinking thing in this universe not just thinking but feeling. We are not the only thing in this universe that can respond to "vibes" there are more scientific ways of discussing this but it may not be as easily understood as using the hippie language to talk about it. That may be why this is being hated on so bad. If we used more sciency terms maybe things would be more accepted because whether people will believe it or not we have tested things like this before and we have gotten results you just need to search for them. It is all perspective.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
    #22233880 - 09/13/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry but thigtropic responses in plants are not anything new. Also I am aware of the genetic similarities between fungi and animals. But its got nothing to do with the species of cubensis and proves zero regarding the notions of music and cubes. Its barely not even worthwhile speculating about. As for communication in nature if that sort of thing interests you I recommend you look into some of the studies and experiments showing how plants use mycorhyzzal myc networks to communicate.

Again nothing anyone has said or presented thus far has lead me to think that musical stimulus or positive thinking could have even the most minute impact on our grows. You want to grow wall to wall flushes and potent mushrooms? Then ignore bs like this and use proper cultivation techniques. Like I said before save the love and spiritual feelings for when you eat them. Use precision and planning when you grow them.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22234667 - 09/13/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think you should instead say that if you want to use any spirituality in the growing of them by all means go for it but it is not necessary at all and while you must meet certain environmental requirements, if you want talking to them might be your preference. I personally like to only think positive thoughts while following the tek precisely. Do not compromise the tek for your spiritual needs. Why cant we just compromise? Does there always have to be a bad person in these debates man? I still hold steady that no negative feelings toward any of you and i would hope if i needed the help on something related to cultivation you would still assist if you had the knowledge. You are insulting those that feel the spirituality of this is necessary to their cultivating. I would think as a trusted cultivator you would lead by example on these forums. No disrespect meant at all dude. I just feel that this needs to be addressed with a more open mind. I was not saying that by any means you should open the sgfc any moment to cuddle the mushrooms. I was saying that if you think that being positive or making a ritual out of cultivation helped your grows then by all means do it. You may be able to make different correlations about how the person treats them and how they grow. One being that just because they think positively about them doesnt mean its that to be at fault. They could be thinking positively and this could be causing them to be smarter and more precise in their cultivating. So you can see that thinking positively is correlated to good cultivating skills which in turn causes better mushrooms than if you were to think negatively and disregard their needs.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
    #22234743 - 09/13/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

First off I wasn't trying to insult anyone.  Second this is a board dedicated to mushroom cultivation. Finally i am sure that an atheist could grow just as successfully as any shaman.

Your projecting the needs of the person to the needs of the grow. If a person needs to feel spiritually connected to their grow in order to remember to mist their cakes or flame their scalpel between transfers then thats one thing. But the mushrooms don't need that. I am certain that in the future mushroom cultivation will be done by machine simply because you remove the biggest contam vector at that point. I am sure no one is gonna bother to program it with a soul.

Again if someone feels that a ritual mindset helps then grow better fine. But I doubt that in nature the cow feels much other than a need to take a shit. Your feeling spiritual about it in no way effects the spores ability to germinate or helps establish a pinset.

Finally i may be a TC but that doesn't mean I need to be supportive of any idea put forth on these boards. It means I am expected to give good information. Information supported by evidence.

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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22234786 - 09/13/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Alright this debate feels meaningless now because you're repeating what I just openly declared. You are attempting to seem like the winner in a debate. I'm not trying to win I'm wanting to support my opinion in the topic. I understand this isnt the forum for this discussion but then someone should move it. I didn't post it here and its an easy mistake to put a thread in the wrong spot. Good vibes to you. I'm an atheist by the way and have had a class about shamanism. They grow very large ones outdoors naturally most of the time.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
    #22234821 - 09/13/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes this thread is in the wrong spot. Look man I'm not even close to as big a hardass as you're painting me out to be. Incidentally I'm actually not an atheist either. I feel the want people have to relate to these life forms on a different level, to believe that my love and good vibes for them matter. But I also know that none of that is supported by science and even my own grows have not supported that angle. Some of my best work was when I was in dark places.

This isn't a debate. There is no question here. Many experiments would need to be done before we could have a debate. So I have not won nor am I looking to win. That is not the point I am trying to make.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22234957 - 09/13/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Im just gonna end this with a quote from south park. I respect you bro.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22235110 - 09/14/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Finally i may be a TC but that doesn't mean I need to be supportive of any idea put forth on these boards. It means I am expected to give good information. Information supported by evidence.




:justno:The tag means you have proven yourself, nothing is expected from you other then to just be you:wink:
https://www.shroomery.org/9892/Mycena-News
That's about all i could think of  when it comes to what a mushrooms knows and doenst' know and feels which is all physical


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
    #22236141 - 09/14/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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As I stated previously, we all have our own understanding of spirituality. For me, growing the best, 'happiest' mushrooms possible is a way of increasing intelligence and understanding for the whole Universe.





that sounds all lofty n all, but in the end you are looking for a magical short cut.

spirituality is an endeavour to understand those things that cannot be defined in physical reality.
trying to get the spirit world to help you out with your material desires in many ways is the opposite of spirituality.

indulging in beliefs is the death of spirituality. any time you presume to know something you close your mind
to any truth that might deviate from that premise. no wonder then that the most pious and devout religious people behave in the
most non-spiritual way possible and strap themselves with explosives.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22237045 - 09/14/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: DaveyJones6911]
    #22237832 - 09/14/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

1. I'm not religious.
2. Beliefs are nothing more for me than a nod to the great Mysteries we are yet to discover,acknowledgement of the direction given to me by my intuition. The only time I've seen harm in beliefs is when one is too attached to them to consider new ones or when they experience so much cognitive dissonance in the face of evidence that their beliefs are false, that they are unwilling to let them go. Beliefs state in the very definition of the word that they are not facts, and should not be acted upon as such.

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3. I am not interested in short cuts. I am interested in growing the most potent, powerful, healing mushrooms that I am able.

No one in this thread has shown me any concrete evidence that my ideas would actually harm growth, given that all the regular physical needs are met. Many people have said things like, "it has been disproven" without sharing any type of citation or even a link. (Other than the one citation critiquing Emoto).
No one has given me any examples of the methods I've proposed having been proven to be ineffective.
I'm trying to formulate an experiment that would prove or disprove that Spiritual methods are helpful in mushroom growing. If you have any ideas concerning that (which method would be best and easiest to test, how I can isolate each set given that I do not have a science lab here, etc.) please feel free to share.
You have made your point that you disapprove of my version of spirituality, understood. This may be so, however we are still fellow air breathers who enjoy mushrooms and growing them. Imo this is enough reason for us to get along regardless of your feeling about my views and beliefs. If mushrooms can indeed process positive vibes, are affected by music or love, that may be helpful information for any grower.

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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
    #22238101 - 09/14/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

With that logic wouldn't you just be spiritual in everything you do and not necessarilly just mushroom cultivation? like having whiter healthier teeth is an example  I want that but I don't believe prayer is going to change I need to see a dentist


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
    #22238134 - 09/14/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you want to grow potent mushrooms then focus on genetics. In fact good genetics control most of the variables like speed and yields as well. Substrate composition, temps, and contamination all play a role as well, but genetics sets the stage for what you are working with and the others really just take away from that potential if conditions are not met.

I may have already been hinting at this a half dozen times in this thread but I will just come out and say it. If you want to have guaranteed potency with guaranteed yields and predictable speeds then spend your energy looking for either a killer isolate or clone. You can then grow that culture forever if you take care of it. That's how commercial farmers do it, that's how the big boys do it.

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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #22239152 - 09/14/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly yes, I have yet to work with agar but I am buying the stuff asap. After watching RR's lets grow mushrooms it seems like a must.


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
    #22239714 - 09/15/15 04:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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3. I am not interested in short cuts. I am interested in growing the most potent, powerful, healing mushrooms that I am able.





then why don't you ask the mushroom?


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
    #22239894 - 09/15/15 06:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD.  :thatsinteresting:




My main spiritual practice is Druidry. Say what you will and everyone is free to their opinion so feel free to toss it as hogwash and nonsense but in my grows I've always kept a couple of things in mind;

  • Growing solely to make money will often cause a bad/no grow. The most common factor would be carelessness but I like to believe that the negative energy of greed will often back fire
  • I've always made sure to develop a personal relationship with my grows. I keep it secret. I keep it safe. I talk to them and spend time with them, overall treat them as if they are my children. I feel like this helps in being attentive, careful and more professional
  • Psychedellic music has always helped me in my grows. It makes me feel comfortable, work better and calmer. Through my calm and attentive demeanor I am able to process professional technique onto the mushrooms. I feel like the power of 432hz helps the shrooms. Music based on 432Hz transmits beneficial healing energy, because it is a pure tone of math fundamental to nature.


Other than that I grow mostly to help my small community of friends, make proud the Gods that I believe in and most importantly to seep in the information & knowledge they bestow upon me in order to heighten my senses and strengthen my relationship with the natural world, with my Gods and most importantly to ''fix'' myself in improvement and banish impurities from within.

This is just my 2cents on the matter and my rituals.

*EDIT* I am planning to construct my own orgones from dried up mushrooms. My wife hand crafts a lot of jewellery and has a lot of crystals. Both of us charge our crystals every full/new moon. We like to believe that it helps to amplify the energy in our home (feel free to disagree/call me stupid/crazy) and we also enjoy doing it. I do not yet understand the power of orgones other than to dismantle energies from cellphones, radio towers...etc There is something about them that peaked my interested which I would like to try out. I craft a lot by hand such as wood work and resin casts so I decided to give it a go and see what happens. :shrug:


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #22240012 - 09/15/15 07:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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  • Growing solely to make money will often cause a bad/no grow. The most common factor would be carelessness but I like to believe that the negative energy of greed will often back fire




  • 1. Don't talk about that here.
    2. You're wrong, that's just your imagination.

    See, people grow edibles/medicinals for money all the time and they don't do any of this shit.  It doesn't make them taste less good.  No form of produce cares if you intend to make money from it.  This is what I'm talking about with people ONLY applying meaning to something because of the states it can bring them into.  You don't care that it's a mushroom, you're still just caring that it's drugs, no matter how you dress it up and pretend that it's a sacrament.


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        #22240017 - 09/15/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

    Makes you wonder how button farming could be a billion dollar industry.


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        #22240092 - 09/15/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

    It might be my imagination but that is what I have experienced with in the past hence I apply it to my methods. You don't need to apply it to yours. And you're wrong, it's not just about the drugs, in fact it bothers me a lot that some people come on here simply for the drugs but I keep my mouth shut about it. I am interested in edibles and poisonous mushrooms, am part of numerous groups where I, along with other members try to identify different mushrooms species and am planning my thesial work on oyster mushrooms. Its not just about the state of the magic mushroom that it can bring but I feel that way about any mushroom for that matter. Each and every one of them is special to me and peaks my interest to learn more about them (althought it's quite imposible considering the large range of species out there).

    I am not trying to make myself sound like an expert. I've got a long way to go and a lot of errors and failures to face and learn from. However telling me that I'm in it just for the drugs is a little insulting.

    I really don't care about the money that comes from mass production that others farm, good for them. I'll take interest in it but it's not something I want to pursue. It has never worked for me in that aspect. This is a hobby and I try to respect it as much as I can while applying what I deem my spiritual morals and value.


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