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Stewbid1
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231634 - 09/13/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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My sentiments about sentience exactly EthneoGod. Perhaps someday the few of us who do inject some spirituality along with our spores can have a huge party with those who don't and scientifically test the potency of each type together. So since we seem to be on a similar wavelength, what do you think of playing 7.83 Hz sounds to them? I believe most recordings can be translated to 7.83. Do you think that if I were to use the Martha tek and wanted to experiment with different frequencies etc. I would have to put different sets of subjects in different rooms? Another floor of the house? Do you happen to know whether mushrooms have been tested by electrophysiological methods? Do you have any suggestions on how one might go about testing this?
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DaveyJones6911
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#22231709 - 09/13/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: DaveyJones, are you denying that our electromagnetic field exists, that it affects other organisms around us, and that our field is affected by our mood and mind frame? There are many studies showing otherwise. Artificial as in inorganic? I'm not sure what you're saying there. Even if we create it, that doesn't make it less real What is spirituality? Psychology began as a form of spirituality. It was originally the study of the soul. There are probably 7 billion different definitions of what spirituality means, and to me, all have validity. For me it is the acknowledgement of the Spirit, of energies and forces which are yet immeasurable with our current tools, it is to explore different perspectives, introspection, and the experience and fearless exploration of the Great Mystery, without judgement. You said, "spirituality is about asking questions, not presuming to know answers"... Are you not presuming to know the answers by deeming my version of spirituality as silly? How did you arrive at the conclusion that spirituality was entirely about looking inward? IMHO, sometimes looking outward is a great and clear mirror. Of course that stems from my belief that the way we look at things changes what we look at. I know that many people say that the double-slit experiment is not applicable to humans, yet aren't we essentially a huge collection of atoms? I suppose what I'm saying is that looking outward as a part of looking inward only applies if the Observer has an influence on the Observed. Either way, I respect your views, and I love questions. I have no answers.
well consider what you are trying to do: manipulate unseen forces for the sake of satisfying a desire to grow better mushrooms. i don't think spirituality has anything to do with trying to get what you want.
by contrast a more spiritual endeavour might be to improve your own understanding of the mushroom and what it actually wants.
as for electromagnetic fields, many double blind studies have been done on all sorts of things like this and the results are invariably the same: no results that cannot be explained by random chance have ever been recorded. this in sharp contrast to what science has given us. which is everything we have seen so far.
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and if E=MC2 = consciousness, all it means is that we are already in the matrix, and everything we have ever experienced is artificial, figments of our own imagination.
lol what?
E=(MC2)/(sqrt(1-(v/c)) is the equation, where v=particle velocity and c=speed of light in vacuum. Where you got that consciousness bullshit I don't know or care. I'm a nuclear engineer, please don't argue the theory of relativity with me. It is valid, or nuclear reactors would not exist.
The rest of what you said is wrong too except when talking about dreams. Everything we experience is the result of our brains interpreting stimuli. I would not call that imagination. It is called perception and there is a difference.
i got the consciousness nonsense from stewbit1 who suggested that e=mc2 = consciousness.
which i took to mean that the rules of reality such as the laws of physics being created by consciousness. and that to me sounds like suggesting that reality is illusionary.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22231717 - 09/13/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Active mushrooms which you are considering spiritual are a tiny fraction of the mushroom kingdom, nothing spiritual about the mushrooms on your pizza and farms across the world are doing exactly like is being said...left the fuck alone to do there thing
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
#22231732 - 09/13/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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See, that's the thing. I think these people would sing to their weed plants and their Bufo toads and their cubensis, but not their peppers, tree frogs, and shiitake. (I know nobody actually keeps Bufo toads... I hope anyway.)
It's a form of becoming self absorbed. You just skirt the idea by projecting yourself onto everything else, or more specifically, the things that you like. Didn't think I'd say it but I agree with DaveyJones on this.
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EntheoGod
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231803 - 09/13/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's cited in Jeremy narbys book intelligence in nature. Ill find it once i get home. I'm at work right now away from my books
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231852 - 09/13/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Umm jeremy narby is an anthropologist. Taking his word on this is like letting a cab driver do your double bypass.
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EntheoGod
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231888 - 09/13/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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He cited it from a research paper that scientists wrote. He didn't write it himself.
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EntheoGod
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231903 - 09/13/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im arguing it's possible to affect them through your talking or thoughts I'm not saying it will work.
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EntheoGod
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22232110 - 09/13/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Umm jeremy narby is an anthropologist. Taking his word on this is like letting a cab driver do your double bypass.
Saying that is like saying information gained from R Gordon wasson, before he was the first westerner to experience a mushroom ceremony, isn't worth listening to about the sacred mushroom.
Information gained any way is credible and worth looking at. How else would we get a interdisciplinary approach toward anything?
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EntheoGod
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22232219 - 09/13/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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[Quote]Stewbid1 said: My sentiments about sentience exactly EthneoGod. Perhaps someday the few of us who do inject some spirituality along with our spores can have a huge party with those who don't and scientifically test the potency of each type together. So since we seem to be on a similar wavelength, what do you think of playing 7.83 Hz sounds to them? I believe most recordings can be translated to 7.83. Do you think that if I were to use the Martha tek and wanted to experiment with different frequencies etc. I would have to put different sets of subjects in different rooms? Another floor of the house? Do you happen to know whether mushrooms have been tested by electrophysiological methods? Do you have any suggestions on how one might go about testing this?
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” ― Nikola Tesla

Ill pm you when I get home. Im on mobile right now. Its a little difficult to type a lot at a time ha ha
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cronicr



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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22232251 - 09/13/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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learn the edit button
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EntheoGod
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
#22232284 - 09/13/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tip. However, I know of the edit button i wanted to just reply normally because I didn't see the op's response first and also im on mobile. I wanted the op to forsure see that I responded. Why must everyone resort to being a smartass or try belittling me because you disagree. There are nicer ways to go about disagreeing.
I apologize if i upset someone i thought it was okay to pose an opinion and show my resources. No hard feelings toward anyone i enjoy a debate and I still want all you to be willing to help me if i were to need it. But I believe I agree more with the OP.
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cronicr



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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22232318 - 09/13/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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the debate is perfectly fine but everytime you post you bump this thread to the top and all the actual cult posts get bumped down
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
#22232437 - 09/13/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: the debate is perfectly fine but everytime you post you bump this thread to the top and all the actual cult posts get bumped down
I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to a more appropriate forum myself.
Also I have great respect for the field in anthropology and for the ethnostenographers that first brought the knowledge of these ethnogens to light. But IMO they are even less qualified to make observations than we are. Be sure to post what paper he is citing when you get home. One way or another it would at least bring this whole thread back onto a track more suited to this forum.
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cronicr



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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22232451 - 09/13/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm surprised this hasn't been moved to a more appropriate forum myself.
crossed my mind but can't figure out where
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
#22232482 - 09/13/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe if there is any truth to this it's our own brains doing the work and not the mushrooms themselves interpreting anything.
Does wishing death on something work? Can you stare at an animal long enough and make it keel over? Maybe you are just willing the mushrooms to perform better with positive intention. I doubt any kind of communication through music or vibrations felt through 5 senses would show improvements.
Its an area where the only answers you are going to get are no and maybe. Try it for yourself, don't take anyone's opinion because reality is subjective. It's the same reason some people believe in miracles and some people don't
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Kalistis


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: cronicr]
#22232554 - 09/13/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This topic has long been debated by biologists and botanists alike regarding the effects music has on animals and plant growth and development. It's frequently the subject of many science fair projects, but isn't really proven. Sure, plants have flourished with Mozart and died with heavy metal, but what's not to say that the amplitude or change in environment due to the waves didn't simply impact the growth conditions? There are also conflicting studies that propose that music only positively effects people when they enjoy what they are listening to...
Fungi are also very unique, almost alien, in comparison to every other leaving thing. And unless you are arguing (and can support) that they in some way conscious organisms capable of pleasure, than the spiritual aspect of cultivation is solely one sided unless proven otherwise.
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Stewbid1
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Hi again DaveyJones, As I stated previously, we all have our own understanding of spirituality. For me, growing the best, 'happiest' mushrooms possible is a way of increasing intelligence and understanding for the whole Universe. Some of my spiritual beliefs include that mushrooms, trees, etc. share a communication network which holds the history of Earth and other places. I believe we are all connected and that any energy we send to other sentient being always comes back to us. *I am you, you are I.* I believe that Mushrooms are nothingless than the fruit of the Gods, a benevolent and generous gift, and I use them as a communion and healing tool, as they use me to help them propagate. This is a symbiotic relationship. I believe there are different varieties or levels of plant and mushroom intelligence just as their of human intelligence. I believe that imbuing them with love and honor may assist them in reaching their potential. As far as spirituality not being a means to get what we want, even if that thing is simply peace and love, all of our motivations are self serving to some extent if we are willing to look at our motivations honestly. We are a worship craving species. Even to serve or worship a God etc. is a means of getting what we want (a connection with that entity). I would appreciate a link to the links you speak of (please no commercially funded studies?).
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Stewbid1
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#22233071 - 09/13/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi GreenRabbit, Thank you for replying to my post. I tried to look into the equation you stated: E=(MC2)/(sqrt(1-(v/c)). I found many variations, such as: E = mc2/(1 - v2/c2)1/2 only in the case of a particle with non-zero rest mass, which apparently depends on whether you're an energist or a massist lol.. I could not find any sources verifying your long form equation. I am certainly not interested in arguing with a person of your credentials (or anyone else for that matter), so please understand that I'm asking purely out of curiosity, so with all due respect, would you please link me to an explanation of said equation? Isn't the C in the equation (which obviously is normally equated wit the speed of light which is supposedly a Constant.. however.. http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html) supposed to literally stand for Constant? Although I understand that you don't care how I came up with this theory, I'd just like to say that it has a lot to do with this story about Einsten: http://www.stresscure.com/hrn/einstein.html . Love that story. You said, "If it was not correct then nuclear reactors would not exist." How is that proof? Many machines are built on variables. It doesn't have to be perfect to work. I am a person with many questions, they are not intended to in any way insult your intelligence or to disrespect you or your version of reality. I have a lot of respect for anyone willing to take the necessary risks to work with such energy as you do. Is there any chance that you, as a scientist, would consider assisting me in formulating a decent experiment concerning my ideas?
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newrook
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22233163 - 09/13/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: story about Einsten: http://www.stresscure.com/hrn/einstein.html .
Hey, thanks for the story, never read that before.
You seem like a curious person, and I don't want to be burdensome but if you ever have a bored minute and you're at your computer, I would greatly appreciate a pm with whatever it is that you think is beneficial reading, short stories, podcasts, anything really. Anything you may have stumbled across that you consider worth sharing.
Only if you'd like to. I might have a thing or two to share as well. Sorry to derail.
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