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blackdust


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22230839 - 09/13/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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words do a piss poor job explaining "spirituality"
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22230896 - 09/13/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm gonna have to lead this back to a slightly more on topic understanding. Yes spirituallity is something not defined by science as of yet and I'm not going to take a stance that its unimportant in the context of our lives. But its not a factor in mushroom cultivation as far as I am able to tell. I have not once sung or meditated or provided my mushrooms with anything more than a competitor free substrate to grow in and a good environment to fruit in. Yet despite that I see very high bio efficiency. If a spiritual component was needed by the mushrooms to grow and thrive, I certainly would not be seeing bio efficiency first flush of 175%.
Mushroom cultivation is something measured and executed by the scientific method. If you fail to properly sterilize your grain spawn you will end up with bacillius. Praying, singing, painting rainbows and performing dances will not change that. Bacillus will stall the grains or prevent good recovery upon spawning. This will lead to an outbreak of trich and/or poor first flush yields.
I suggest people get spiritual with the mushrooms when they consume them. Its a better fit at that point.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231072 - 09/13/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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notice how pasty says he doesn't sing to them….but…I'm 99% certain he got dat free style nu-flow in the AM. plus, he sings in the shower, within ear reach of the tubs…doesn't that count???
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blindingleaf]
#22231083 - 09/13/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hell when I got the bass thumping even my neighbors can hear. . .
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DaveyJones6911 said:
and if E=MC2 = consciousness, all it means is that we are already in the matrix, and everything we have ever experienced is artificial, figments of our own imagination.
lol what?
E=(MC2)/(sqrt(1-(v/c)) is the equation, where v=particle velocity and c=speed of light in vacuum. Where you got that consciousness bullshit I don't know or care. I'm a nuclear engineer, please don't argue the theory of relativity with me. It is valid, or nuclear reactors would not exist.
The rest of what you said is wrong too except when talking about dreams. Everything we experience is the result of our brains interpreting stimuli. I would not call that imagination. It is called perception and there is a difference.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22231169 - 09/13/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Scientists in the field even agree that this is not the only reality. I am a college student pursuing a degree in psychology and believe me the word reality is a loaded term. What's real to one person may not be real to the next. I have done plenty reading in both west and east philosophy to at least know that if u claim your reality is the only one then youre insane. I also have a keen interest in intelligence in nature look up tobacco plants genetically modified to glow when they "think" they lit up when humans were talking to it or touching it. Intelligence isnt a rare phenomenon like most westerners would like to think. So dont throw out the idea of talking or singing to ur mushrooms. You can test this but predetermined biases will/can cause results to be insignificant.
This is a very important topic to me because I have been in my field of study for around 5 years now and believe I am entitled to say that, regardless of whether I have a physics phd or one in psychology, we cannot say for a fact that the way we perceive the world around us doesnt affect the physical matter in the world. Read any of rupert sheldrakes books on morphic resonance, his book the sense of being stared at would be a great one to start with. Also If you want more reading about how factual it is that this reality is the only one then you should read Cosmic serpant or intelligence in nature by jeremy narby. More readings on the cultural background of the magic mushroom can also give you more more insight into how these mushrooms may have affected us as we evolved as a species read Persephones quest by r gordon wasson the first westerner to ever experience a mushroom trip in a spiritual context. Before hand wasson was a banker. These are but a few readings that may persuade you to think differently about how you treat your mushrooms.
PM me if you want more suggested readings toward the matter. I believe someone should do an experiment on this matter sometime soon in this forum so we can settle it. Still wouldnt settle it though because of what i mentioned before, those predetermined biases would affect how we treat each of the variables. I highly recommend talking with them and giving them care.
Edited by EntheoGod (09/13/15 11:34 AM)
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blackdust


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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231191 - 09/13/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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i seem to grow sadistic mushrooms
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231220 - 09/13/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Primary... decomposers..... Humans are a contam vector..... reality is just reality, we don't have different realities, we have different perceptions, stop dragging cultivation into this hippie mumbo jumbo bullshit.

Seriously, wish this shit would get locked.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231256 - 09/13/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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EntheoGod said: So dont throw out the idea of talking or singing to ur mushrooms. You can test this but predetermined biases will/can cause results to be insignificant.
So let me get this straight. Are you proposing that the act of singing to your mushrooms is going to benefit some aspect of their development beyond what proper cultivation practices will? You're also saying that it will be difficult to test in a controlled setting because the structure of the hypothesis may invalidate the benefits? Thats convienent.
I am curious to see the harvests of a person who provided their fruits with love and attention and compare them with my own. Convince me of a benefit. If my attention to sterile tek, culturing, dialing in chambers, etc, can be replaced with song then I will give it an honest shot. But first I need to see something convincing. Show me a perfect canopy that was attained via love and love alone and I will be right up there singing away. I will even write a tek on it 
Until then I stand by my original position that the mushrooms don't want your love or faith. They want food, a competetor free environment, and good fruiting conditions.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231262 - 09/13/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe the love is in your attention to detail that allows your shrooms to thrive?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22231265 - 09/13/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't tell if I'm cultivating mushrooms or if the mushrooms are cultivating me.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blackdust]
#22231271 - 09/13/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said: maybe the love is in your attention to detail that allows your shrooms to thrive? 
If that's what people want to call it then cool. But there is no deviation. That love must be expressed the same by all.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231272 - 09/13/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- A few thoughts on cultivation MICROBIAL HUSBANDRY!!!! The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: wolf fish]
#22231281 - 09/13/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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wolf fish said: I can't tell if I'm cultivating mushrooms or if the mushrooms are cultivating me.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22231282 - 09/13/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am not saying it will affect the way they grow if other aspects of the environment arent met. Hell no. I believe first and foremost you should meet the needs of the physical mushroom. But if you want to talk to it or sing to it or just think positively toward it that may help in the long run to. I dont want to argue with anyone but it is my opinion on the matter as well as many scholars who have done several experiments with the mushrooms themselves and the states of consciousness that they elicit.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: EntheoGod]
#22231287 - 09/13/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Link? I want to read that paper.
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Stewbid1
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231307 - 09/13/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That makes sense Pastywhyte. To each his or her own.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231319 - 09/13/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Link? I want to read that paper.
Me too, probably for the same reason.
To take the 10 seconds it takes to debunk that shit
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22231373 - 09/13/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once more I would like to stress that I am not looking to deflate peoples beliefs or piss on anyones need to feel spiritual. But this is the Mushroom Cultivation forum and in this forum we need results to determine what is good practice and what is not. There are so many vectors in this hobby, and that means we need damn good reasons to engage in the practices we are using. Failure is around every corner in this hobby. Standards must be met and proven, otherwise we risk leading people astray.
Maybe on some intangible level your mushrooms will appreciate the spiritual efforts made and reward you with 1% greater BE or 0.002% more psilocybin. But even if that was the case, I would still argue that ones energies would be better spent on other aspects of the cultivation process. That is all I am looking to do. I just want to help people get better results. Stuff like this simply muddies the waters.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22231424 - 09/13/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Once more I would like to stress that I am not looking to deflate peoples beliefs or piss on anyones need to feel spiritual. But this is the Mushroom Cultivation forum and in this forum we need results to determine what is good practice and what is not. There are so many vectors in this hobby, and that means we need damn good reasons to engage in the practices we are using. Failure is around every corner in this hobby. Standards must be met and proven, otherwise we risk leading people astray.
Maybe on some intangible level your mushrooms will appreciate the spiritual efforts made and reward you with 1% greater BE or 0.002% more psilocybin. But even if that was the case, I would still argue that ones energies would be better spent on other aspects of the cultivation process. That is all I am looking to do. I just want to help people get better results. Stuff like this simply muddies the waters.
QFT
I'm sure we all do and think weird things, and our tendency is to attribute the effects these things have on the outcome of a project. its good to realize when we are doing that, consciously or unconsciously.
and besides…some things….like spirituality….are best left untold. words and explanations belittle that which is beyond our understanding.
those things are best left to just be experienced, not necessarily rationalized and explained.
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