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cronicr



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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22221996 - 09/11/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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..one of these threads
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ShroomerInTheRye
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22222012 - 09/11/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD. 
For me, its not spiritual to grow but it connects me to my ancestors. My last name means "Follower of Demeter". I can trace my family line back thousands of years to Greek pagan farmers. I can't grow vegetables or flowers and my family always makes fun of me for it. They call me city girl because I was the first person born in America in a city and not on a farm.
Growing mushrooms helps me connect with my ancestors because its something I can grow and not mess up.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22222028 - 09/11/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you get in real close and talk to your agar cultures you might see a change of growth in them
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cronicr



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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Kizzle]
#22222036 - 09/11/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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This shit's so bad even little crons like..
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Kizzle]
#22222169 - 09/11/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: Thoughts?
Don't waste your time on all that stuff. Writing notes to your mushrooms will do nothing other than waste ink, paper, and time, mushrooms don't have eyes to read wtf you are even writing to them or a brain to comprehend what the words would even mean... Playing them music will just waste electricity and time, mushrooms don't have ears they could give a fuck(if they could give a fuck) if you have Mozart or Snoop Dogg playing. Talk to them all you want, they won't listen. I've read they don't like alot of vibrations though, so you could do more harm than good with music.
Cultivation is science plain and simple, not mumbo jumbo bullshit spiritual crap that's been widely debunked. All you're gonna do is frustrate yourself by going through extra effort to provide things for your mushrooms that they don't need. You're fooling yourself into thinking you're providing a little better for them than normal when you're just spinning your wheels and being wasteful. Instead, you should focus on providing them with what they actually need and nothing more. They will love you much more for that. Nothing is missing when you give them what they actually need, if you think something is missing that's in your head.
Even the link you provided said that "Emoto's work is widely considered to be pseudoscience."
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Kizzle said: If you get in real close and talk to your agar cultures you might see a change of growth in them 

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cronicr said:
..one of these threads
Edited by Juiceh (09/11/15 02:04 PM)
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Big Bear
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22222192 - 09/11/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should just give them proper FAE, humidity, temp, and light cycle. They care a lot more about that than what you have to saY
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maddchef
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Big Bear]
#22222209 - 09/11/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think I want to eat a snobbish mushroom
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22222235 - 09/11/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Treat them as if they are your children and they will flourish.
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Stewbid1
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: CliftonGK1]
#22222236 - 09/11/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Non sentient beings? I guess that's a matter of opinion. Moderation is always a good idea though. THE MUSHROOM SPEAKS by Terence McKenna
I am old, older than thought in your species, which is itself fifty times older than your history. Though I have been on earth for ages I am from the stars. My home is no one planet, for many worlds scattered through the shining disc of the galaxy have conditions which allow my spores an opportunity for life. The mushroom which you see is the part of my body given to sex thrills and sun bathing, my true body is a fine network of fibers growing through the soil. These networks may cover acres and may have far more connections than the number in a human brain.
My mycelial network is nearly immortal--only the sudden toxification of a planet or the explosion of it's parent star can wipe me out. By means impossible to explain because of certain misconceptions in your model of reality all my mycelial networks in the galaxy are in hyperlight communication through space and time.
The mycelial body is as fragile as a spider's web but the collective hypermind and memory is a vast historical archive of the career of evolving intelligence on many worlds in our spiral star swarm. Space, you see, is a vast ocean to those hardy life forms that have the ability to reproduce from spores, for spores are covered with the hardest organic substance known.
Across the aeons of time and space drift many spore forming life-forms in suspended animation for millions of years until contact is made with a suitable environment. Few such species are minded, only myself and my recently evolved near relatives have achieved the hyper-communication mode and memory capacity that makes us leading members in the community of galactic intelligence. How the hyper-communication mode operates is a secret which will not be lightly given to humans.
But the means should be obvious: it is the occurence of psilocybin and psilocin in the biosynthetic pathways of my living body that opens for me and my symbiots the vision screens to many worlds. You as an individual and Homo sapiens as a species are on the brink of the formation of a symbiotic relationship with my genetic material that will eventually carry humanity and earth into the galactic mainstream of the higher civilizations.
Since it is not easy for you to recognize other varieties of intelligence around you, your most advanced theories of politics and society have advanced only as far as the notion of collectivism. But beyond the cohesion of the members of a species into a single social organism there lie richer and even more baroque evolutionary possibilities. Symbiosis is one of these. Symbiosis is a relation of mutual dependence and positive benifits for both species involved.
Symbiotic relationships between myself and civilized forms of higher animals have been established many times and in many places throughout the long ages of my development. These relationships have been mutually useful; within my memory is the knowledge of hyperlight drive ships and how to build them. I will trade this knowledge for a free ticket to new worlds around suns younger and more stable than your own.
To secure an eternal existence down the long river of cosmic time, I again and again offer this agreement to higher beings and thereby have spread throughout the galaxy over the long millenia.
A mycelial network has no organs to move the world, no hands; but higher animals with manipulative abilities can become partners with the star knowledge within me and if they act in good faith, return both themselves and their humble mushroom teacher to the million worlds to which all citizens of our starswarm are heir.
-- Taken from Psilocybin: The Magic Mushroom Growers Guide ^ that guy seemed to feel that they are sentient beings.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22222246 - 09/11/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If that's true we should probably stop ripping off their sex organs and eating them.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Juiceh]
#22222257 - 09/11/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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You say I'm trying to provide better than normal conditions for them, what are 'normal' growing conditions? I can't fly them to Cambodia to grow lol, which would be normal for them imo. It is also my honest opinion that science is royally screwing things up. I'm not saying that the scientific method is a waste of time per se, I am saying that 9/10 of scientific studies are manipulated and funded by big corporations who do not have our best interests at heart whatsoever. So basically, all the 'debunking' in the world won't make me disbelieve what I've seen with my own eyes. Why not make normal as good as we are able? Besides, what will a little love note actually hurt on the outside of my incubation chamber (no, I'm not willing to risk contamination for my experiment lol)?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22222308 - 09/11/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe they're aliens and that's how they use their sex organs. Maybe we should poop and pee outside and see if new mushrooms grow from our excrement after we eat them lol.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22222353 - 09/11/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Normal (for cubes) is between 65-82, but I usually don't like to do less than 67 or more than 80 if I can help it. They like a moist climate and lots of FAE. They also like light...on a 12/12 cycle with 6500k bulb if artificial.
Nobody is arguing they are sentient. They are arguing that your notes aren't what the cubes ask for.
But if you must try and prove this point, do a bunch of bottles or trays WITH AN ISOLATE (not multispore) and put sticky notes on some. Put them all in the SAME fruiting chAimber so as to create a constant. Then try and prove it over the course of time with hundreds of results.
Yeah the mushrooms Talk though. our job is to listen
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Big Bear]
#22223685 - 09/11/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't mushrooms speak their wants in fruits? I'm not saying it's a good idea to neglect any of the needs we already know they have. I totally agree though, the only way to know for sure is to experiment.. a LOT.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22223719 - 09/11/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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The fuck is this thread? E=MC2 where c=consciousness?
Im out.
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Inocuole
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22223746 - 09/11/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: Don't mushrooms speak their wants in fruits? I'm not saying it's a good idea to neglect any of the needs we already know they have. I totally agree though, the only way to know for sure is to experiment.. a LOT.
They're natural decomposers. They don't care what the living think, they're interested in consuming the dead and fulfilling their life cycle.
Furthermore, everybody I know, for whatever reason, REALLY liked the mushrooms I was growing when I was struggling at work, fighting at home, and wishing I was dead every day. Said they gave positive experiences. This just proves that that shit has nothing to do with it.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22224282 - 09/11/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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While kneeling down to harvest a mono a while back, a feeling came over me of intensity I can only describe as the organisms spirit. I can not say for sure, but around the time I prepared this tub (and its contammed brothers) I played music reminiscent of music which had accompanied me on the best of voyages... if you know what I'm sayin. Anyway, this mono had a presence about it. So I thanked it for allowing me to harvest and to share the love of spirit, experience and perspective. I found out later that these guys went on to treat people very well. Not a single bad complaint.
I try to develop and derive a sense of spirituality from mycology. One must achieve cleanliness to a high degree to give the best odds at life. One must follow a set rule system to give the best odds. One develops a personal rhythm to their technique.
I find the whole experience... from spore to floor to be very spiritual.
To dismiss its presence because we cannot measure is but ignorance expressing itself. Think about any scientific breakthrough throughout the course of all science as once prevailing limitations on reality were known and set in stone only to be demolished in the light of a new 'proven' theory.
Spirit in humans is the belief in something. To connect to that idea through some form of ritualistic behavior and attached to the idea with a sense of love.
So I answer your question OP, with a very sincere YES. I personally achieve spirituality through cultivation.
I ask that we All put our hearts into every effort we make in this hobby. Hopefully the good vibes we put into the art of cultivation are returned upon the spirits tuned in to the shroom.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Kizzle]
#22224293 - 09/11/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: If you get in real close and talk to your agar cultures you might see a change of growth in them 
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Inocuole
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Jabensis]
#22224297 - 09/11/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Furthermore, everybody I know, for whatever reason, REALLY liked the mushrooms I was growing when I was struggling at work, fighting at home, and wishing I was dead every day. Said they gave positive experiences. This just proves that that shit has nothing to do with it.
Okay then explain this with your spiritual mushroom science.
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maddchef
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Inocuole]
#22224301 - 09/11/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Erm, the mushrooms sensed you were having a rough time and thought they would be eaten by you so they put out more positive vibe chemical than normal to try to help you?
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