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Stewbid1
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Spirituality in cultivation?
#22220065 - 09/11/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've read a few hundred teks on here before deciding exactly what methods to use, and I still feel like something important is missing. I'm sure most of you know about Dr. Emoto's experiments with water (if not click here: https://www.google.com/search?q=dr.+emoto+water&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8). And what are mushrooms made of? Water! Also, since they are more closely related to humans than plants, don't you think some positive vibes would make them happier and therefore make them grow better? While this is often considered pseudoscience, I have personally tested his methods and seen proof positive that we affect substances by environment and energy. Has anyone tried anything like this, and if so, what were your results? Are you as careful about contaminating your mushrooms with bad energy as you are with mold? Why, or why not? I have decided to try a few things like this myself. I'm going to play Brahms to the babies, Bach and Beethoven after birthing. I'm going to print and tape pictures of the best grows I've seen on here to the fruiting chamber. I'm going to talk to them, say the Ho'oponopono mantra to them, read the Great Bell chant etc. Maybe at a later date I'll do a comparison experiment. Thoughts?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220090 - 09/11/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read about this experiment and it seemed very interesting to me. When I grew pot, I would write notes on the water reservoirs in my hydro setup that said "I love you" and "You are special". I'd sing them Led Zepplin or Pink Floyd songs before I'd turn the lights out at night. Those turned out to be some pretty hardy plants and not a failure like I had been used to up until that point.
I would be curious to see its effect on mushrooms.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220109 - 09/11/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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these ideas have been widely debunked as pure nonsense.
energy can be measured, but this kind of energy cannot. the reason being that it is imaginary energy. it doesn't actually exist.
you should google a guy named James Randi and what he has to say about it.
have you ever actually eaten a mushroom? that's where the spirituality comes in...
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Edited by DaveyJones6911 (09/11/15 04:57 AM)
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Stewbid1
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That's cool Shroomer! It just makes sense.Quote:
DaveyJones6911 said: these ideas have been widely debunked as pure nonsense.
energy can be measured, but this kind of energy cannot. the reason being that it is imaginary energy. it doesn't actually exist.
you should google a guy named James Randi and what he has to say about it.
have you ever actually eaten a mushroom? that's where the spirituality comes in...
DaveyJones, if you believe that the spirituality comes in at all, then how can you believe that it doesn't exist? We can't measure other universes's black holes yet either, yet we know they exist. What if (pure speculation lol) it can and has been measured and this information just hasn't been made public? What if it's actually a constant? What if the C in Einstein's E=MC2 is actually consciousness (I mean we are proving that the speed of light is actually not a constant, and why did he use a C instead of an S to supposedly represent the speed of light in the first place)? And yes, I have eaten shrooms.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220144 - 09/11/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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those experiments were definitely debunked.
also, maybe not the place for this…no offense.
I'm as open minded as the next guy, but this isn't something that we can really debate in a rational way in a mushroom cultivation forum.
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Stewbid1
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blindingleaf]
#22220931 - 09/11/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If it's part of cultivation methods, where else would one put it? I do realize this post would be better with some comparison pics.. That I can work on. Thanks for the opinion blindingleaf.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220946 - 09/11/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: DaveyJones, if you believe that the spirituality comes in at all, then how can you believe that it doesn't exist? We can't measure other universes's black holes yet either, yet we know they exist. What if (pure speculation lol) it can and has been measured and this information just hasn't been made public? What if it's actually a constant? What if the C in Einstein's E=MC2 is actually consciousness (I mean we are proving that the speed of light is actually not a constant, and why did he use a C instead of an S to supposedly represent the speed of light in the first place)? And yes, I have eaten shrooms. 
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22220990 - 09/11/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe we can talk about how to "stress" mushrooms into producing different results just as many gardeners will "stress" there plants.
Here is some information on how some cultivators stress cannabis plants.
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In cannabis cultivation, as in life, there are two types of stress – good and bad. Good stress causes the cannabis plant to work harder to achieve a desirable goal (larger buds anyone?); whereas, bad stress is counterproductive to growth and could ultimately kill the plant. As such, when growing cannabis in a commercial setting, it is important to maximize the use of good stress and minimize the introduction of bad stress.
Low-Stress-Training (LST): Low-stress-training is the practice of using small amounts of constant force to encourage plant branch growth in the growers’ chosen direction while opening up lower nodes to higher light intensity. Applying this stress throughout the vegetative growth phase will provide thick stem growth, which will produce additional nutrient/water delivery capabilities during flowering. This technique is very good for increasing yield per plant while keeping the overall plant height to a minimum. ScrOG (Screen of Green) trellising, tomato cages, and using bamboo stakes (sticking-and-spreading) are all great methods of applying this type of gentle stress.
http://surna.com/healthy-unhealthy-cannabis-plant-stressors/
some quantitative stress that we can do to mushrooms include light water content competitors (bacteria, mold) bubble wrap?
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blackdust]
#22221061 - 09/11/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Throwing them against a wall works. Imma also write a stungun tek in a few weeks.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22221073 - 09/11/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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^^ Tough love!
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Stewbid1
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blackdust]
#22221078 - 09/11/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, let's! I like your train of thought. Also obviously cold shock.. So I was thinking about why that would work to stress pins into forming and promote growth. It makes sense because in nature, if there was a sudden temperature drop, the weather may be expected to change in the near future. This would prompt mushrooms to grow faster so that they could drop their spores before cold weather sets in for good in order to propagate. Forcing them into quicker growth may kill some off, however, those that survived would definitely be the strongest ones. Why don't wheat farmers do that rather than spraying chemicals to make the wheat open? Light Maybe changing up the timer for lights in a fruiting chamber would cause a growth spurt? How about lightning? Check this out: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100409-lightning-mushrooms-japan-harvest/ I don't know what to think about water content, they seem rather drastically effected by too much or too little of that don't they? Competitors If one had a good method for isolating the survivors from competing mold once the two have met, it would bring out the strongest parts and kill the rest. Would it be possible to isolate after being in contact with contaminants? I'm thinking yes, VERY carefully. Bubble Wrap ??? LOL
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Stewbid1
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22221105 - 09/11/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22221134 - 09/11/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I talked mad shit to my last mini mono. And guess what, it worked. It really was worthless and it really didn't amount to shit.
Could have been the bad spawn tho, but I would rather like to believe that I crushed it's desire to live using just words.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22221194 - 09/11/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD. 
Cultivation of a non-sentient biomass is just science. Mushrooms don't think or have feelings. Give 'em CO2 and a digestable substrate, and they colonize. Give them FAE, and they fruit. We've pretty much nailed down the science of what causes different deformations (small caps, fuzzy feet, thin stems, etc.) and how to alter their environment to change those things. Science, plain and simple.
Cultivation of the human mind is a far less exact science. Sure, we know a lot about how neurons work, what areas of the brain perform certain tasks, and how certain chemicals can effect our perceptions... But so much of how the brain works is still a mystery, even if you put together a team of neurologists, psychiatrists, and spiritual leaders to discuss it. That is where the spirituality becomes a factor. Science and reason can pretty much fuck all the way off when it comes to what your mind will do with a large enough amount of mushrooms in ya.
Just one guy's opinion, though. I could be wrong; wouldn't be the first time.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: CliftonGK1]
#22221235 - 09/11/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually fungus does think, at least slime mold. That shit can solve mazes from memory, go fucking figure.
Cold slows shrooms down. If you want to initiate pinning submit them to a dry spell. Don't fucking kill them, learn to read your myc, but a dry spell followed by a return to normal conditions has fruited even the most stubborn of shit for me.
Also cron got liberty caps to fruit by flinging em against a wall, seriously. I wouldn't advise it but he was gonna throw em out anyways I think. People blast reishi blocks (I think that strain) with a high powered hose and drop them a few feet to promote pinning.
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Edited by maddchef (09/11/15 10:37 AM)
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Stewbid1]
#22221240 - 09/11/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stewbid1 said: I'm really kind of surprised that no one here uses spirituality; rituals etc., as an integral part of their cultivation methods. Yet most people agree that ingesting shrooms is a spiritual experience.. WEIRD. 
Rituals are a way of focusing the mind.
I stretch and exercise before tripping. I drink a cup of coffee and eat something before doing agar work. These are my rituals and they're both grounded in science (though the coffee may be counter productive ).
Smudge sticks and playing Pink Floyd to your shrooms aren't going to help anything. Feeling connected to your shrooms, listening to them, not loving them to death. These I consider a spiritual practice. They've helped me learn patience, resilience, and many other things. They've also helped improve my grows but it's because I'm paying attention to what's going on not because I'm leaving sticky notes on their tubs (unless that note is a spawn date).
I guess the point I'm making is that spirituality is such a loaded word that most people aren't going to say they mix it with science. For me the spiritual part is the learning and growing from the practice. There's nothing magical about it.
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ill be totally honest with u guys…i say "whats up guys" to anything i have growing when i first see them in the day (usually when i turn lights on). other times, i yell at them, like "what are you doing pinning all up on that side, whats wrong with this side!?!?". other times its "you better be clean…cause I'm expanding you to ten jars bro". when i turn the lights and fan off at night, i say "good night". its not for any positive effects necessarily…its just that…i see mushrooms more than i see anyone else in my life on a day to day basis, except my dog, who i also talk to. to me, its a companionship thing…I'm on the same team as anything i'm growing…its a joint effort in a way.
but other than that, i can't say i have many rituals other than a shower before clean work. although, i'm not against them.
cultivation in and of itself has helped me become a better person, i can say that for sure. but i attribute it to a combination of ingesting mushrooms, and the effect that has, and the kind of effect the process has on a cultivator itself; patience, observation, determination and focus.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: blindingleaf]
#22221745 - 09/11/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I talk to mine too For similar reasons. Plus I eat them a lot and sometimes they talk back 
But I think the exchange that goes on with me and the myc isn't verbal. It's the care I put in everyday that counts.
Shit kids are the same way. Telling my kids I love them reminds them of my love. If I just said I love you without taking care of them it would be empty words.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: maddchef]
#22221953 - 09/11/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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maddchef said: People blast reishi blocks (I think that strain) with a high powered hose and drop them a few feet to promote pinning.
No, that's shiitake. Different species entirely. The drop, or more common slapping of the blocks, cracks the brown bark\skin of the block and simulates a colonized branch falling from a tree. Many asain growers that grow shiitake on logs will bang on the logs to simulate that drop. I believe RR stated that he sprays them forcefully with water. This forceful spray cracks the skin further and forces some moisture in there.
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Re: Spirituality in cultivation? [Re: Juiceh]
#22221969 - 09/11/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shitake then. Knew it was summin
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