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No tolerance with lemon tek
    #22219040 - 09/10/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Is it just with me? When I lemon tek my tolerance is zero, I can take shrooms several days in a row and the visuals and mindfuck are always very intense. I've already had several bad trips because of that, it's just very hard to dose when you use lemon. Only 3 grams can take me to the outer space. It also seems that the more I take shrooms the less is my tolerance, one trip is always harder than the last.


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Re: There's no tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus]
    #22219078 - 09/10/15 10:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yes it's just with you. Lol


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus]
    #22219177 - 09/10/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it just with me? When I lemon tek my tolerance is zero, I can take shrooms several days in a row and the visuals and mindfuck are always very intense. I've already had several bad trips because of that, it's just very hard to dose when you use lemon. Only 3 grams can take me to the outer space. It also seems that the more I take shrooms the less is my tolerance, one trip is always harder than the last.




I am the same way where every trip is harder than the last, because I evolve spiritualy during and between each trip and then am able to access even deeper levels of the human subconscious on my next excursion.

but can i ask why you would even want to take shrooms several day in a row? i normally wait at least 5 days before i trip again, just because i find tripping both tiring and time consuming.


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Peyote Road]
    #22219501 - 09/10/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know, I must be shroomhead


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus] * 1
    #22221344 - 09/11/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The trips feel harder because tolerance rises.

When "underdosed" you took too little, then it's harder to let go and your mind naturally fights and resists. This leads to a more unpleseant experience.

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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Pandemoon]
    #22221846 - 09/11/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think tolerance is more about how much psilocin is degraded inside your body when you take shrooms. When you use lemon, the degradation is minimum, because ascorbic acid is an antioxidant.


The same with ayahuasca. It holds no real tolerance and can be used on a daily basis if it is desired. The reason is the monoamine oxidase inhibitors which prevents DMT degradation.


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus]
    #22223170 - 09/11/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Not what lemon tek does
It just makes the active ingredients more soluble, so you don't have to digest mushrooms to release the good stuff... Only appears more, just like tea...

Nothing to do with anti-oxident and really nothing to do with how an MAOi works... Wow

But placebo effect is real and powerful!!!

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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: HarryL]
    #22223317 - 09/11/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I just do tea nowadays, pretty much the same thing and it doesn't taste as dreadful. I lemon tek'd a quad once and not surprisingly ended up puking. Throwing up dry shroom powder with the taste of lemons when you're already high is not fun.


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus]
    #22223353 - 09/11/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think tolerance is more about how much psilocin is degraded inside your body when you take shrooms. When you use lemon, the degradation is minimum, because ascorbic acid is an antioxidant.




I've found this to be most true IME.

Also I'm still surprised be the number of folks that don't strain the shroom matter out. I thought that was the point of tea? I promise you if you're making the tea correctly then that material is wasted.


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: airclay]
    #22223652 - 09/11/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think tolerance is more about how much psilocin is degraded inside your body when you take shrooms. When you use lemon, the degradation is minimum, because ascorbic acid is an antioxidant.




I've found this to be most true IME.

Also I'm still surprised be the number of folks that don't strain the shroom matter out. I thought that was the point of tea? I promise you if you're making the tea correctly then that material is wasted.





I just do it because there is still that slight hint of doubt in my mind that I won't get all the good stuff. I'd rather just man up and take it than keep thinking about, it still an enormous improvement over eating them.


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: xThunder]
    #22224150 - 09/11/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If you blend your shrooms, strain it and add sugar the taste is not that bad.


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus]
    #22224942 - 09/11/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think tolerance is more about how much psilocin is degraded inside your body when you take shrooms. When you use lemon, the degradation is minimum, because ascorbic acid is an antioxidant.







:bsflag:

It's just you, and/or it's imaginary (placebo as HarryL says).  Tolerance is real, and it comes from the actives and your brain resetting itself for serotonin levels, not some kind of antioxidant action.


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22226582 - 09/12/15 10:49 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I realized that doing it very often is not fun and it makes the trip feel empty and depressing, on the other hand at least for me the visuals and mindfuck are still intense when i lemon tek, no matter how often I do it. And i'm not talking about simple visuals, I'm talking about hologram geometric patterns crossing the sky and images leaking out of my computer screen while it is warping.


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus]
    #22228803 - 09/12/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well that's damned cool.  When I binge multiple days/weeks with acidified tea I always have to increase the dosage to get the full trip going, until I reach max, which is about 4x the normal hallucinogenic dose for me. :Awemush:


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22228901 - 09/12/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe my shrooms are just very potent then, i don't know. 


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus]
    #22229129 - 09/12/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

:orly:  No, I don't think that's an explanation, considering what I've grown in the past anyway. :awecid:

But this is something better though of in terms of actual dosage of the actives, no matter what the potency of the fruits. You may have a strange metabolism, possibly worth studying by science for the, uhm, benefit of all?

Are you weighing them accurately?  (Just gotta ask...)


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus]
    #22230467 - 09/13/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I can't imagine taking shrooms more than once a week, let alone every 3 months is too much for me my trips are so powerful and moving each time there would be no way I would want to go back until I have improved who I am from what I have been shown and learned in the tripping world and to put that into my self in the real world, if you're tripping every day I think you're using mushrooms for the wrong reason.

Lemon tek doesn't add any potency to a trip just makes you absorb it quicker which may make an illusion that the trip is stronger, it's just going through your system faster.


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #22230533 - 09/13/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Well ya have to work up to it, and anyway, everybody's different - and they all bring different sets, settings, expectation, and results to the tripping table. :shrug:

It's not always about self improvement, sometimes it's just about fun - and other times research. :raisemyglass:

Actually lemon tek or any acidfication DOES add potency.  Big surprise there, hmm.  It works by improving the % of actives that are absorbed through the stomach and gut, which without modification in studies is only about 50%, with the rest being excreted without ever being used, through studies.  Sorry don't have the references handy but I posted about it recently.



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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22230557 - 09/13/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah sorry I forgot to add I don't care how people use their drugs, just don't want people to go off the deep end if I can save them but also don't care if they care what I say or not :lol: and yes sometimes you don't need to take your trips seriously and just have some fun, I am a culprit of this too, I think everyone is.

Thanks for the info about lemon tek!! :mushroom2:

So actually if we aren't using lemon we are not absorbing all of the actives in whatever we are taking? So if we took 2 grams of dried mushroom, we actually absorb less than what we could by using lemon? :mushroom2: :cheers:


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #22230570 - 09/13/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Oh my bad too, I figured after making that post "who was I to pass judgment on somebody passing judgement?" so I took that part out.  But not quite fast enough... :lol:

It's all good. :thumbup:

I'm still trying to figure out how to maximize the potency in regard to the partial absorption %.  I only came across it recently...


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #22231329 - 09/13/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Lemon tek doesn't add any potency to a trip just makes you absorb it quicker which may make an illusion that the trip is stronger, it's just going through your system faster.





Lemon tek makes the trip way more powerful dude. Let me give you an example, whenever you make a tea, you will realize that after a time the tea becomes dark blue, it means that part of the actives are oxidising even before being absorbed by your body. But if you add lemon which is an antioxidant, you will see that it will turn from blue to brown.
In other words, lemon prevents the actives from degradation, which  means that more psilocin will be absorbed and get to your brain.
As PrimalSoup said when you just eat the mushrooms, only 50% of the actives are absorbed and the rest are oxidised, the same doesn't happen if you add vitamin c.

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3129834

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15914988


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus] * 1
    #22234259 - 09/13/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Let's not forget the importance of the acid (or vitamin c, ascorbic acid) in bringing the psilocin into solution rather than oxidizing it (the blue color).  My tea used to be blue years ago, but as I describe in the tea tek in my sig citric acid potentiates the tea and the oxidation doesn't happen.  It is by far the best method I've ever found. :thumbup:


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22235019 - 09/13/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Let's not forget the importance of the acid (or vitamin c, ascorbic acid) in bringing the psilocin into solution




What do you mean?


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Re: No tolerance with lemon tek [Re: Aureus] * 1
    #22235179 - 09/14/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

It's all in the link - psilocin doesn't dissolve well in plain water, it's mostly lost.  Psilocybin is a different story.  Fresh mushrooms contain both psilocin and psilocybin, dried will have less psilocin as it's less stable against oxidation. 

For the source where I found the info read this:  The Mushroom Entheogen, The Measure of the Mushroom by C.B. Gold


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