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dowtish
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First attempt ever. Monotubs of various sizes with WBS-Coir Verm.* update-pics of success!
#22218707 - 09/10/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Decided it was time to try my hand at this after thinking about it for 25 years.... I am following Franks 12 steps almost for everything. I acquired everything I need and inoculated my first batch on 9-1-15. I then tried a different tek for WBS for 6 more jars with different seed since my first batch had corn and got too sticky. I made a TiT because my space was too cold and I got the temp up to a steady 76.
As of today 3 of the jars were damn near 35% so I went ahead and shook them up. The other are well on their way. Getting excited at this point since I wasnt too confident using a PC for the first time and worried about contams during the inoculation process.
few pics of the jars:


I plan on not doing the bucket tek and using a oven bag and in a pot with a digital thermometer for the substrate next. Stoked! and hope to get some input along the way.
-------------------- So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical, And you will come to find that we are all one mind Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable. Just let the light touch you And let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason ...

Edited by dowtish (10/04/15 09:48 AM)
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: dowtish]
#22218741 - 09/10/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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dowtish
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: GoblinKing]
#22218781 - 09/10/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes! the Charlie and Emilio approval!
-------------------- So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical, And you will come to find that we are all one mind Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable. Just let the light touch you And let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason ...

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dowtish
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: dowtish]
#22224090 - 09/11/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Busted up 5 more jars tonight. The 3 from last night are recovering very rapidly.
Once colonized a 100% after 1 shake, what's a good time to wait before spawning? Ive seen folks recommend a week.
-------------------- So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical, And you will come to find that we are all one mind Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable. Just let the light touch you And let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason ...

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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: dowtish]
#22224280 - 09/11/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're spawning to bulk, i dont think a consolidation period is necessary. Usually PF cakes benefit from a consolidation period. When you spawn to bulk though, after your sub gets 100% colonized, THEN you can consolidate.
Good luck to you brotha!
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dowtish
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: xachisonfire]
#22224305 - 09/11/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not sure what you mean?
Its a bulk grow with a monotub using WBS. Im talking about the jars once they appear 100% after you shake them, do you wait about a week before you mix them with the substrate?
-------------------- So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical, And you will come to find that we are all one mind Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable. Just let the light touch you And let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason ...

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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: dowtish]
#22224330 - 09/11/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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dowtish said: Im not sure what you mean?
Its a bulk grow with a monotub using WBS. Im talking about the jars once they appear 100% after you shake them, do you wait about a week before you mix them with the substrate?
Consolidation is that week period after colonizing finishes so the mycelium can get a firm footing, and use up the last bit of nutrients before fruiting.
You don't need to wait a week when spawning to bulk, once jars are at 100% either spawn to bulk or g2g, you don't want the mycelium to being to consolidate, you want it to continue its growth as fast as possible. You also don't shake at 100% unless you're ready to use.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22224427 - 09/11/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why no bucket tek? It does a better job cooking the coir IMO.
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dowtish
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22228470 - 09/12/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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iSmkGrnBud said:
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dowtish said: Im not sure what you mean?
Its a bulk grow with a monotub using WBS. Im talking about the jars once they appear 100% after you shake them, do you wait about a week before you mix them with the substrate?
Consolidation is that week period after colonizing finishes so the mycelium can get a firm footing, and use up the last bit of nutrients before fruiting.
You don't need to wait a week when spawning to bulk, once jars are at 100% either spawn to bulk or g2g, you don't want the mycelium to being to consolidate, you want it to continue its growth as fast as possible. You also don't shake at 100% unless you're ready to use.
Thanks for that. I definitely plan on doing G2G with 2 jars of 2 different strains of the ones that grew the fastest.
As soon as they all hit 100% ill break them up and soak them and then mix it with the substrate.
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Pastywhyte said: Why no bucket tek? It does a better job cooking the coir IMO.
I only came to that thought process after seeing the lack of detail about the bucket tek and folks saying they got contaminations in the tub. I read Franks 12 steps and it just seems very basic, but then he has a tek showing jars and a bag. Seems like the bag is less messy and I'll know the exact temp of the coir/verm that way.
-------------------- So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical, And you will come to find that we are all one mind Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable. Just let the light touch you And let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason ...

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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: dowtish]
#22228510 - 09/12/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I sterilize my coir.It breaks down the lignin so the cubes can get to the cellulose better. Coir is temperature safe. It has been well documented that temperature is not the vector for coir. Foreign media or contaminated spawn always prove to be the issue.
Frank even used the bucket for hia last couple of grows and they were killer
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dowtish
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22228558 - 09/12/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I sterilize my coir.It breaks down the lignin so the cubes can get to the cellulose better. Coir is temperature safe. It has been well documented that temperature is not the vector for coir. Foreign media or contaminated spawn always prove to be the issue.
Frank even used the bucket for hia last couple of grows and they were killer 
Frank said to not go above 170 or you start to sterilize the coir/verm and that it can cause issues.
Are you saying you sterilize just the coir some way before doing the bucket tek?
Also: "Carefully pour the boiling water into the bucket. Put the lid on and let it sit for 1-3 hours."
That is a quote from Franks 12 step for the bucket tek section. 1-3 hours is not very specific. Does this time line matter as far as everything reaching a certain temp and staying there? I cant see 1 hour being enough. that is one of the reasons I switched to looking at the bag method.
-------------------- So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical, And you will come to find that we are all one mind Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable. Just let the light touch you And let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason ...

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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22228560 - 09/12/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't really use straight coir substrates. Last time I used coir I didn't do anything to it but I still got a decent flush (first link in my sig).
That said, good on you OP for not messing with cakes and a SGFC and going straight to bulk.
I've pasteurized bulk substrates in bags with a water bath before and it works well. With my pasteurization method you never let the water exceed 170f. Just bring the water to that temp, turn the heat to low, put the substrate bag in, and then set a timer for 90 minutes once the core temp of the bag reaches 145.
However, if you're going to take the time to do proper pasteurization, I recommend trying straw and manure in your bulk substrate. Right now I'm running some tubs with 2:1 straw:horse manure. Talk about inexpensive. Coir is pretty much foolproof though so it's great for practicing your methods for when you decide to start using straw or poo.
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: NumeroEno]
#22228733 - 09/12/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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dowtish
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22229087 - 09/12/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: I don't really use straight coir substrates. Last time I used coir I didn't do anything to it but I still got a decent flush (first link in my sig).
That said, good on you OP for not messing with cakes and a SGFC and going straight to bulk.
I've pasteurized bulk substrates in bags with a water bath before and it works well. With my pasteurization method you never let the water exceed 170f. Just bring the water to that temp, turn the heat to low, put the substrate bag in, and then set a timer for 90 minutes once the core temp of the bag reaches 145.
However, if you're going to take the time to do proper pasteurization, I recommend trying straw and manure in your bulk substrate. Right now I'm running some tubs with 2:1 straw:horse manure. Talk about inexpensive. Coir is pretty much foolproof though so it's great for practicing your methods for when you decide to start using straw or poo.
Thanks man. It really only made sense to me after watching a couple PF Teks vids and then coming across tubs. My first thought was, why limit the footprint to jar shaped cakes? Give me an even substrate for more yield! If Im going to spend hours reading, researching and going through the process I might as well have a good harvest.
I'm going to stick to coir/verm at this point since that is what I have, but Im sure ill look into trying different things after I run out of my current inventory.
BTW, I come from the land of lizards as well. The helping friendly book brought me here. 
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Pastywhyte said: Read this thread.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19587865
Aaaannnd that about sums it up...
a. Bucket tek can work b. Coir still works as a casing c. Frank has some nice fruits 
Thanks for the link. tons of great info and options to work with. I really feel like this is like my other hobby of saltwater reef tanks. There are a million ways to get good results. Just comes down to the one that suits your surroundings and sometimes your wallet.
-------------------- So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical, And you will come to find that we are all one mind Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable. Just let the light touch you And let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason ...

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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: dowtish]
#22229404 - 09/12/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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dowtish said:
Thanks man. It really only made sense to me after watching a couple PF Teks vids and then coming across tubs. My first thought was, why limit the footprint to jar shaped cakes? Give me an even substrate for more yield! If Im going to spend hours reading, researching and going through the process I might as well have a good harvest.
I'm going to stick to coir/verm at this point since that is what I have, but Im sure ill look into trying different things after I run out of my current inventory.
BTW, I come from the land of lizards as well. The helping friendly book brought me here. 
Fuck yeah. You've got the right attitude. I hope you'll stick around
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Let it grow! Let it grow! Greatly yield! What shall we say, shall we call it by a name As well to count the angels dancing on a pin Water bright as the sky from which it came And the name is on the earth that takes it in DOG FOOD AGAR MY ELECTRIC INOCULATION LOOP
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: NumeroEno]
#22229565 - 09/12/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks like you have a good start to me! I also researched and considered jumping into this hobby for years before I did, gave me a nice head start and a better understanding for all I've learned now through years of experience. As previously stated, no consolidation is really necessary when spawning to bulk, and definitely g2g a few of those jars! Welcome to the most addictive hobby you will ever know lol.
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: magic myc]
#22230214 - 09/13/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said:
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dowtish said:
Thanks man. It really only made sense to me after watching a couple PF Teks vids and then coming across tubs. My first thought was, why limit the footprint to jar shaped cakes? Give me an even substrate for more yield! If Im going to spend hours reading, researching and going through the process I might as well have a good harvest.
I'm going to stick to coir/verm at this point since that is what I have, but Im sure ill look into trying different things after I run out of my current inventory.
BTW, I come from the land of lizards as well. The helping friendly book brought me here. 
Fuck yeah. You've got the right attitude. I hope you'll stick around 
Thanks man.
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magic myc said: Looks like you have a good start to me! I also researched and considered jumping into this hobby for years before I did, gave me a nice head start and a better understanding for all I've learned now through years of experience. As previously stated, no consolidation is really necessary when spawning to bulk, and definitely g2g a few of those jars! Welcome to the most addictive hobby you will ever know lol.
I really dont need another hobby to get addicted to! Oh well.... hahhahaaha
I never actually did research on this prior, I just knew it was possible. I came on to the forums a few weeks back and here I am now with 20 jars knocked up. but I am definitely enjoying the process so far. I need to figure out a good method to do some agar after I do my G2G.
-------------------- So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical, And you will come to find that we are all one mind Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable. Just let the light touch you And let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason ...

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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: dowtish]
#22230221 - 09/13/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I recommend the link in my sig for an easy method to do agar
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dowtish
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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22230252 - 09/13/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I recommend the link in my sig for an easy method to do agar 
that was the first thread I came across when first looking into agar. Set me on the path to understanding it better for sure. Thanks for the detailed write up.
I have a friend that is on here but not as of late, that suggested a no pour method?
-------------------- So crucify the ego, before it's far too late To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical, And you will come to find that we are all one mind Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable. Just let the light touch you And let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason ...

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Re: First attempt ever. - Monotub with WBS-Coir Verm. [Re: dowtish]
#22230267 - 09/13/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mine is a no pour method. There are a few others like the grocery store agar tek or proffessor pinheads writeup. Essentially no pours are the same all that is different are the containers used. Maybe a few differences in lid configurations.
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