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A Military Coup in the U.S.?
#22218392 - 09/10/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A Surprising Number of Americans Might Support One
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Imagine you’re watching the evening news, kicking back after a long day in the cubicle. Suddenly a breaking news alert flashes across the screen: “Military Coup Overthrows the Government.” What would be your reaction?
While most Americans say they can’t imagine supporting a takeover of the government by the armed forces, or least aren’t sure about it, a substantial number of people say they can imagine supporting the military in such a scenario.
In a new survey by YouGov, 29 percent of respondents said they can imagine a situation in which they would support the military taking control of the federal government – that translates into over 70 million American adults. Forty-one percent of respondents said could not imagine supporting the military taking over the country.
Related: With $8.5 Trillion Unaccounted for, Why should Congress Increase the Defense Budget?
Republicans (43 percent) were more likely to say they can envision a scenario in which they could support a military coup than Democrats (20 percent). Perhaps that difference is related to having a Democratic president who some critics on the right see as overstepping his power.
Regardless of political ideology, one reason people might support a military coup is because they respect officers in the military far more than they do people in Congress. According to the same YouGov survey, almost three-quarters (70 percent) of respondents believe that military officers want what is best for the country, while only 29 percent think the same of members of Congress.
Lawmakers better shape up or they might be shipped out -- literally.
Thoughts? I woner how they got those percentages and how accurate they are
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: GoblinKing]
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I am sure as well, I have always feared some sort of military dictatorship forming here from all the corruption though.
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Anything could be better, I highly doubt it would be though 
Trump will sell America out to China and then BAM, dictatorship (half jokingly)
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Move to N Korea than or China, let us know how it goes
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What would become of the banks and corporations who are currently pulling the strings? Would the global elite buy off the Generals, or fund other armies to invade amidst the chaos?
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It's gotta be the right guy, we can't have no mousillini or stalin type running
And honestly - who in America could be a good dictator?
Not a single person I can think of is up to that task.
Maybe Morgan Freeman, and he probably doesn't know that much about being numero uno
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Civilian leadership is a core value of mine. But I might support a coup depending on the circumstances being extreme enough. If we had a maniac leader trying a preemptive nuke strike on an a nation that there was no hope of avoiding a retaliatory strike from for example. And if they returned power to civilians through a new election it could save the world without impeding liberty for very long. Barring the removal of such a maniac I can't think of any reason to support the military in overthrowing civilian leadership. Long term military dictatorship would induce me to leave the country I lived in for greener pastures.
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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That is fuckin great.
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Ellis Dee said: Civilian leadership is a core value of mine. But I might support a coup depending on the circumstances being extreme enough. If we had a maniac leader trying a preemptive nuke strike on an a nation that there was no hope of avoiding a retaliatory strike from for example. And if they returned power to civilians through a new election it could save the world without impeding liberty for very long. Barring the removal of such a maniac I can't think of any reason to support the military in overthrowing civilian leadership. Long term military dictatorship would induce me to leave the country I lived in for greener pastures.
This basically sums it up for me, I already am tempted to move and travel to find my greener pastures that would be the end.
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: twighead]
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twighead said: It's gotta be the right guy, we can't have no mousillini or stalin type running
And honestly - who in America could be a good dictator?
Not a single person I can think of is up to that task.
Maybe Morgan Freeman, and he probably doesn't know that much about being numero uno
arnold schwarzenegger would be better, hes austrian, its in their blood
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: GoblinKing]
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Its nice to see this thread is being take so seriously 
Clearly people here are worried about a coup.
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Well if it wasn't a military coup I would be excited too, but its hard to say what is more corrupt.
Our government or military, I am sure it is all tied together anyways.
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Valid point, I am to and busy listening to music to read through that right now but I will take your word for it.
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Yeah that is an interesting topic to hear military input on
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Will do, I am pretty baked and distracted by music so don't hold your breath. But I probably will get around to it eventually.
This album called One Live Badger is just so
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Its some really interesting stuff, I keep forgetting who I am listening to and am like damn this band is grooving. Then I remember its Badger
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: GoblinKing]
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That is a great gif Sums up how I feel when I am groovin to some good tunes pretty well.
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If there was a military coup in the US I'm pretty sure it would be at the hands of PMCs. The people who stay in "the military" usually do have integrity and I can't see that ever happening. Of course if someone were in control of both sides they could pit them against each-other for their own benefit, but I don't see why anyone in power would want to do that knowing that it could very well mean their own destruction.
The real revolution that needs to happen is in people's minds and is being fought every day. I kinda suspect that things will have to get desperate on some level first, but I just cannot picture a violent revolution from within the US at this time. I am more afraid of being forced into war with Russia or China, because I think that would be WW3.
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It seems better to have war sooner than later. We are at the peak of our powers and the enemy is still modernizing and building up. War with China should have begun yesturday. We have already essentially surrendered territory to the communists in the South China Sea.
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Article in OP is retarded. "In a new survey by YouGov, 29 percent of respondents said they can imagine a situation in which they would support the military taking control of the federal government"
Oh well gee let me put on my imagination cap and imagine any number of infinite scenarios where this might happen with my support. What a clickbait joke.
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: abltsandwich]
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Fuck those other guys. You need to vote for me.
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You clearly do not pay attention. I hate that guy. He isn't even a conservative. He is a protectionist crony capitalist of the worst stripe who has screwed people in business numerous times.
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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It seems better to have war sooner than later. We are at the peak of our powers and the enemy is still modernizing and building up. War with China should have begun yesturday. We have already essentially surrendered territory to the communists in the South China Sea.
I am going to disagree and stick with the option of no war at all if possible. We're all modern enough that it would be catastrophic off the charts, and at that point who cares who is in power. The people lose.
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Nukes were used in WW2 evidence points to them being used. Depends on the stakes and players involved, but it is a distinct possibility, as are chemical, biological, and perhaps other warfare techniques that we deem unacceptable. The revolution has to be in our minds, otherwise there will be no revolution, there will only be death on an unimaginable scale.
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moonrockmushy said: I am more afraid of being forced into war with Russia or China, because I think that would be WW3.
It seems better to have war sooner than later. We are at the peak of our powers and the enemy is still modernizing and building up. War with China should have begun yesturday. We have already essentially surrendered territory to the communists in the South China Sea.
I am going to disagree and stick with the option of no war at all if possible. We're all modern enough that it would be catastrophic off the charts, and at that point who cares who is in power. The people lose.
If the bottom line is that the US policy is to not surrender territory and the Chinese policy to to gain territory and expand their naval threats then war is inevitable. To me, that seems to be the case. This great conflagration will occur its just a matter of when. It would be to communist Chinese benefit to defer it as long as possible while they continue to build up. It is to US benefit to have it out immediatly. Thats the way I see it. If we wait we might lose or otherwise get pushed out. If we strike now victory is ours.
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I don't know. I doubt even if we had WW3 that nukes would be used. I mean I could be wrong, but for one side to use nukes they are essentially damning the entire planet to nuclear winter for like what thousands of years? I find it hard to believe that any of the superpowers today would actually result to that.
unless of course they have a "fallout" plan, and have things setup to live comfortably during a nuclear winter
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: koraks]
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then all of china's jenkem belongs to base
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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I don't know. I doubt even if we had WW3 that nukes would be used. I mean I could be wrong, but for one side to use nukes they are essentially damning the entire planet to nuclear winter for like what thousands of years? I find it hard to believe that any of the superpowers today would actually result to that.
unless of course they have a "fallout" plan, and have things setup to live comfortably during a nuclear winter
That's pretty out there even for the financial elite of America. That's not necessarily comfortable, and when you have the whole Earth, and a significant amount of resources at your disposal, why would you choose to live in a bunker for the rest of yours and your children's lives. It would be literally insane, and if that happened it would be a tragedy, but that would just be insane and stupid, and not a loss that any amount of wealth could cushion.
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For real? I thought you'd like him. Survival-of-the-fittest mentality, strongly opposed illegal immigration, owns his own business, is a billionaire. Stop lying I know you're going to vote for him. Which I wouldn't really blame you, all the other candidates are even shittier IMO; just in different ways.
Not at all. I think he is a serial bankrupt and a phony self aggrandizing cunt. He was, as they said about Steinbrenner, born on third base and thought he hit a triple. I can't stand him. His stance on immigration is correct but his stance on protectionism is not.
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I don't know. I doubt even if we had WW3 that nukes would be used. I mean I could be wrong, but for one side to use nukes they are essentially damning the entire planet to nuclear winter for like what thousands of years? I find it hard to believe that any of the superpowers today would actually result to that.
unless of course they have a "fallout" plan, and have things setup to live comfortably during a nuclear winter
That's pretty out there even for the financial elite of America. That's not necessarily comfortable, and when you have the whole Earth, and a significant amount of resources at your disposal, why would you choose to live in a bunker for the rest of yours and your children's lives. It would be literally insane, and if that happened it would be a tragedy, but that would just be insane and stupid, and not a loss that any amount of wealth could cushion.
because we have virtual reality now, you can live happily in a bunker filled with video games, people are already doing it.
plus there's always antartica and tropical islands. its most likely just the major countries that get most of the radiation
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Bro Walker doesn't have a chance man. All you got to do is look at the media to tell who's going to win. And it's Trump. The only thing that was standing in his way was Hillary but she fucked herself with that email shit, Biden was his next biggest opponent but he isn't going to run, and third is Jebb, but you can tell from interviews and such that he just doesn't have what it takes, and being GW's brother meant he had to be fucking amazing to win anyways. I mean I like the guy, probably more than all the rest, but he just not aggressive enough; Trump is just going to rip all the other candidates to shreds. IMO
Lol @ Look at the media to see whose going to win.
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The elections are so far away, most of the media hates Trump even more than I do, and he really has no idea what he's doing. I believe he is topped out solely because of his celebrity. We got a long way to go and I think the Republican Party is going to eventually cut his nuts off.
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: makaveli8x8]
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because we have virtual reality now, you can live happily in a bunker filled with video games, people are already doing it.
plus there's always antartica and tropical islands. its most likely just the major countries that get most of the radiation
You might as well just kill yourself if your plan is to move to Antarctica, you will suffer less, lol. That environment is so inhospitable to human life that no nation has ever even bothered to forcefully claim it. Without a well provisioned outpost there, supplied from the outside at least every year, people are unexpected to survive a winter there.
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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because we have virtual reality now, you can live happily in a bunker filled with video games, people are already doing it.
plus there's always antartica and tropical islands. its most likely just the major countries that get most of the radiation
You might as well just kill yourself if your plan is to move to Antarctica, you will suffer less, lol. That environment is so inhospitable to human life that no nation has ever even bothered to forcefully claim it. Without a well provisioned outpost there, supplied from the outside at least every year, people are unexpected to survive a winter there.
Russia has recently, and a women on a tv show lives there, regardless, global warming means it will be a hospital very soon, especially after a few nukes fall, that should warm things up alittle more. plus you don't live there, you live in the bunkers, Antarctica is for when you want to go on vacation and stretch your legs
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I guess. But most people who vacation there go during the summer when and its still considered an expidition due to its inhospitable climate, rather than a traditional vacation type holiday. If you want to go there take plenty of provisions and dress warm.
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: Ellis Dee]
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its china, im sure they have enough ramen noodles stashed to last the next 100,000 years
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zappaisgod said: The elections are so far away, most of the media hates Trump even more than I do, and he really has no idea what he's doing. I believe he is topped out solely because of his celebrity. We got a long way to go and I think the Republican Party is going to eventually cut his nuts off.
You're right, we do have a long way to go. That said shit I just can't imagine any of the other candidates being president. They're all fucking pansies. Like both Obama and Bush had an air about them, these other guys are just fucking duds IMO. Oh well, hopefully we wont have to worry about it and something crazy happens on the 23rd. That's what I'm hoping for lol.
Are you saying you could see trump being president over all the other candidates?

Good thing bush wasn't too big of a Pansie to find those god damn terrorists huh?
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So just becouse someone isn't aggressive and dominant they are weak? 
Maybe if less people thought like that intellectuals like Jeb wouldn't have any problem getting elected.
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Scott Walker kicked the unions ass in Wisconsin. I think he is strong enough. Jeb is not the only alternative to the freakshow Trump. I have no use for Jeb, either.
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Obama is not particularly intelligent
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The opposite is true as well though, what if the election of an overly aggressive power hungry leader prompts an early conflict.
If they think we have a "submissive" leader who isn't going to go to war with them over some stupid shit maybe they will feel less of a need to do anything.
As apposed to someone like trump who is liable to do some crazy shit no doubt.
Not saying that is the case just pointing out the opposite could be true in some instances. I doubt it would be with China but still
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Trump has repeatedly said he is not interested in foreign intervention except under the most dire sircumstances.
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Re: A Military Coup in the U.S.? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22222491 - 09/11/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump says a lot of things as do all politicians.
Does that mean I have to take their word for it?
We all know situations change, anyways I was just pointing out the opposite possibility.
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I believe him on that. He is pretty consistent. He will, however, confront the fuck out of them economically.
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