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Are these San Pedro? How do they look?
    #22217827 - 09/10/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I was sold seed as being San Pedro, and I germinated these last February.  Do they look  like that species?  How do they look so far? One has a black spot I'm worried about.  I am also concerned at how top heavy the bigger ones seem. I've never grown cacti before.  Also, I am of the understanding that when cold weather arrives, I should just bring them in, and not water them all winter?



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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: biocurious]
    #22217835 - 09/10/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: biocurious]
    #22217920 - 09/10/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

the seem to look of a different strain, like bridgesii or torch, not really sure tho..


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22217925 - 09/10/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thought san pedro had smaller spines.
But it could be where they were growing that made them that way.
Or maybe they just look that way at first/when they're young?

My cousin got some pedro seeds and they turned out to be a different species/look alike. unfortunately. We spent a while growing them before realizing they weren't real pedro. Lol


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: zZZz]
    #22217930 - 09/10/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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the seem to look of a different strain, like bridgesii or torch, not really sure tho..




My thoughts on it too. Agreed.


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: biocurious]
    #22217992 - 09/10/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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  Also, I am of the understanding that when cold weather arrives, I should just bring them in, and not water them all winter?



Thanks!



that's what I've always heard recommend


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22218212 - 09/10/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

when they are young, they look significantly different than mature specimens.


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22218226 - 09/10/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I've seen tiny ones though that looked normal.
Those don't look like san pedro to me. Even little baby ones you buy on the internet look like little san pedros to me.


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22218230 - 09/10/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

look fine to me


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22218240 - 09/10/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

They look fine to me too
But they just don't look like san pedro IMO


Hahaha sorry I couldn't resist sayin that.


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22218243 - 09/10/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

they look like san pedro to me. There are many varieties, and not all look the same. Also there are many hybrids. Is it 100% san pedro? I don't know, didn't come from my plants, but it probably is San Pedro.


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22218248 - 09/10/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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zZZz said:
the seem to look of a different strain, like bridgesii or torch, not really sure tho..




My thoughts on it too. Agreed.




I first though peruvianus when I first saw the pic. But then again, as will probably me mentioned before too long by someone else, there's really no telling. They could be a hybrid or something. Or they may just be too young to show their adult traits...




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  Also, I am of the understanding that when cold weather arrives, I should just bring them in, and not water them all winter?



Thanks!



that's what I've always heard recommend




Yes, when winter comes around, let them go into dormancy. Don't leave em out in the freezing weather (they won't like it), don't try to keep em going indoors by a window or under lights (they will etoliate), bring em in and let em go dormant. The light they recieve will tell them to go dormant. Some people put em in a basement, some put them in a garage, I put them in a glassed in porch. They still get tons of light (although it is shorter days than summer) and they go dormant. They don't need darkness or anything to go dormant. The idea is just to keep them from freezing and not to water them. They will know to go dormant from the day length.  :thumbup:  Good luck with them! I imagine next year they will amaze you with how fast they can grow.





EDIT - wow, there was like 4 or 5 posts made while I was typing this up...


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: biocurious]
    #22218256 - 09/10/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

If we could get a nice pic of the ribs from the side we could tell you for sure.
Based on which direction the cuticle is facing.  If they face up and they look like pedro chances are they are pedro. Haha


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22218529 - 09/10/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Don't ALL trichs have upward facing areoles?


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #22218791 - 09/10/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Im not sure.
But I don't think so, from what I read.
Even if they all did it would still hugely narrow down the options.
Wouldn't you agree?

I'm pretty sure they aren't san pedro though. I've dealt with like 80 pounds of it in the past few months and it doesn't look like it. 

I can grab and pick up san pedro without hurting myself. I wouldn't dare do that with that cacti. The thorns looks long and spikey vs san pedro. IMO


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: impatientguy]
    #22220776 - 09/11/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

The spines are still Immature, even if they were of another Species, or (strain) of pedro.

I have seedlings that are indeed Pedros, that look like those, so yeah they may be (pachanoi)

If the black spot doesn't grow, change etc..leave it be it will probably scar. I have a 2 foot tall pedro with a spot or 2 on it, as growth scarring and corking / regular environmental  minimal damage from dings bangs and bug nibbles.

If the spot doesn't change size, or area around it doesn't change color, soften etc... it might be ok. . .is all I am saying.

You might consider a "support".. A strip of plastic, metal rod, etc.. so your babies do not get too top heavy. In my greenhouse, I turn my pots about every 2-3 days. they begin to lean one way or another, and by turning the pot, you help strengthen the base of the cacti, by making it lean back in the other direction in response to light and growth. Trust me, it helps. . especially on spindley column cacti species like Cleistocactus.

My bridgesii specimins didn't start putting out mature large spines till this year, (well over a year since starting from seed), and first full growing season in greenhouse.

Now every species of cacti are different . and even from plant to plant in the same species I have experienced different growth rates and vigor. For example, I did a Batch of Pachanoi this last January..and the largest pachanoi in that batch, is taller and fatter growing than my brigesii I started the year previous.

I can hazzard to say, that after a year or so of growing your cacti in optimal conditions, you will begin to see some mature adult spines develop, and at that point, it will be easier to identify the strain or species. by spine color, length, and cactus body color.

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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #22221130 - 09/11/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The spines are still Immature, even if they were of another Species, or (strain) of pedro.

I have seedlings that are indeed Pedros, that look like those, so yeah they may be (pachanoi)

If the black spot doesn't grow, change etc..leave it be it will probably scar. I have a 2 foot tall pedro with a spot or 2 on it, as growth scarring and corking / regular environmental  minimal damage from dings bangs and bug nibbles.

If the spot doesn't change size, or area around it doesn't change color, soften etc... it might be ok. . .is all I am saying.

You might consider a "support".. A strip of plastic, metal rod, etc.. so your babies do not get too top heavy. In my greenhouse, I turn my pots about every 2-3 days. they begin to lean one way or another, and by turning the pot, you help strengthen the base of the cacti, by making it lean back in the other direction in response to light and growth. Trust me, it helps. . especially on spindley column cacti species like Cleistocactus.

My bridgesii specimins didn't start putting out mature large spines till this year, (well over a year since starting from seed), and first full growing season in greenhouse.

Now every species of cacti are different . and even from plant to plant in the same species I have experienced different growth rates and vigor. For example, I did a Batch of Pachanoi this last January..and the largest pachanoi in that batch, is taller and fatter growing than my brigesii I started the year previous.

I can hazzard to say, that after a year or so of growing your cacti in optimal conditions, you will begin to see some mature adult spines develop, and at that point, it will be easier to identify the strain or species. by spine color, length, and cactus body color.

Hope that helps.




nicely put. I wouldn't recommend turning the cacti though. they do not turn in nature, the sun moves over them. I understand doing it indoors to try and strengthen the stems, since you do not have wind..but why not just run a fan on them for an hour a day.


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Re: Are these San Pedro? How do they look? [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22223697 - 09/11/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks guys!

The areoles are upward facing.  I didn't know the spines changed with age.  Sort of like cactus baby-teeth then?  The current ones just fall out and get later get replaced?

And I'll definitely put in some supports.


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