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Hitler and Meth
    #22217323 - 09/10/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22217413 - 09/10/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

A new book proves a long-discussed rumor that Hitler’s Nazi soldiers were addicted to Pervitin, a pill form of crystal meth.

Adolf Hitler was intoxicated with drugs—nearly all of them. Throughout his reign of terror, he shot up anything from steroids to heroin before sending Nazis 35 million pills of meth—on one occasion alone.

The fact, long discussed in Nazi lore, has resurfaced with new details in a book out Thursday by German writer Norman Ohler titled Der Totale Rausch (The Total Rush). Ohler, an award-winning novelist and screenplay writer, spent years sifting through German and U.S. records to uncover more details about the Fuhrer’s drug-induced genocide, which led to the death of 11 million Jews.

To keep up with Hitler’s fast-paced killing machine, Nazis relied on what was essentially a pill form of crystal meth, called Pervitin. Synthesized by a chemist in Berlin and marketed for alertness, the drug was initially sold over the counter in pharmacies across Europe. Just one pill, says Ohler, gave the Nazi’s the alertness they needed to remain awake for hours. Thanks, in part, to the ease with which they could obtain it, the Nazis believed it to be just “like coffee.”


A major report in Dar Spiegel from 2005 initially told the story of how the drug was initially introduced to the German military force (Wehrmacht) after a military doctor’s experimentation of it on 90 college students led him to the conclusion that it would “help win the war.” Less than six months later, millions of the pills were flown to the front lines and handed out to the Nazis before invasions.

Overtime the habit turned to an addiction, as evidence in letters from the time. In November of 1939, one Nazi in Poland sent a letter to his family with a note that read: “It's tough out here...Today I'm writing you mainly to ask for some Pervitin.” Six months later, he wrote again: “Perhaps you could get me some more Pervitin so that I can have a backup supply?" Then two months later: "If at all possible, please send me some more Pervitin.”

Ohler says the drug was used specifically for Blitzkreigs, including the invasion of Sudetenland, Poland, and France. The Nazis found Pervitin effective at keeping them awake for “days at a time,” allowing them to hike as many as 36 miles in a day.

Their use of the drug was no secret, at least in the beginning. Ohler found British press at the time glorifying the drug as a “miracle pill.” While use of the drug began to diminish once it was outlawed in 1941, Ohler spoke with one general who said it continued much longer.
 

It’s unclear whether or not Hitler used meth, but Ohler suggests he didn’t use Pervitin. If so, it was one of the few things he didn’t try. Based on the personal notes from Hitler’s own physician, Dr. Theodor Morrell, Hitler was “ceaselessly” injected with doping agents, dubious hormones, and hard drugs. By the time of his last offensive in the winter of 1944, Hitler had “long known no more sober days.”

Meth undoubtedly played a role in the Nazi’s ruthless and murderous rampage, at first flooding their brains with serotonin and dopamine, then later (when it began to wear off) sending them into fits of severe irritability, anger, and rage. Hitler’s use of heroin could have done even more damage. Entering his bloodstream near-instantly, the drug would have delivered him a rush of euphoria before spiraling him into a bleary-eyed state of delirium. But when the drug’s effects wore off it would give way to profuse sweating, severe agitation, and uncontrollable anger.

Both drugs cause significant long-term damage—specifically neurological. Continued use of meth can lead to mental deficiencies, aggressive behavior, and psychosis. Chronic use of heroin has been shown to deteriorate the brain, impairing decision-making and fueling irrational responses to stress.

But while other armed forces have been known for using drugs, it’s Hitler’s rampant drug use that Ohler says shocked him the most—an addiction that he says led him to “maintain his delusion until the end.”


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #22217981 - 09/10/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is actually pretty damn interesting.
For a lil bit haha


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: impatientguy]
    #22218913 - 09/10/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

This is the first I'm hearing of him using heroin but from what I've read and watched before Hitler himself was a regular user of I.V. methamphetamine and barbiturates.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #22219029 - 09/10/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Probably some of his ancestry getting the headlines

all bullshit though

Hitler was a vegean and had poor health ever since his neice or familiar died, back in 1932 around the time he got into socialism and vegetarianism...
He swore off meat.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #22219304 - 09/10/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

From what I read he didn't go anywhere with out his doctor.  Heard about the daily methamp injections but nothing about heroin.  Goering was a daily IV morphine addict though, that is well documented.  The truth is you can't even attempt to try WWII german ambition with out being psychotic or intoxicated on something.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Konyap]
    #22219367 - 09/10/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Probably some of his ancestry getting the headlines

all bullshit though

Hitler was a vegean and had poor health ever since his neice or familiar died, back in 1932 around the time he got into socialism and vegetarianism...
He swore off meat.



It's not bullshit, he was on a lot of drugs. It was all documented by his physician.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: PurpleHaze147] * 1
    #22221784 - 09/11/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

"which led to the death of 11 million Jews people."

:rolleyes: If the rest of the article is as accurate as this statement, I'd take the whole thing with a grain of salt.  Too bad, I would like some reliable information on Hitler and the nazi's drug use.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Hippocampus] * 1
    #22222289 - 09/11/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

good call, considering a French census in the 30's put the population of Jews in Europe at somewhere around 2.5 million. The US Air force also had speed in their chocolate. And British commandos always had speed in their kit.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Roker]
    #22222328 - 09/11/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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good call, considering a French census in the 30's put the population of Jews in Europe at somewhere around 2.5 million. The US Air force also had speed in their chocolate. And British commandos always had speed in their kit.




The US government still uses speed to this day w/ there soldiers.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22222947 - 09/11/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123778

As for the go pills — the speed — the Air Force says theres no reason for any change in policy that they are essential for combat pilots now being sent to war over Afghanistan and Iraq.

"These men are patriots, these men were sent to fight a war and they're put in a situation where it's either take these pills or you don't fly," Skobel said.

For a pilot Skobel said Its not a choice at all.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22223243 - 09/11/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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good call, considering a French census in the 30's put the population of Jews in Europe at somewhere around 2.5 million. The US Air force also had speed in their chocolate. And British commandos always had speed in their kit.




The US government still uses speed to this day w/ there soldiers.



Not anymore they use modafinil.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: dark3st]
    #22223395 - 09/11/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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good call, considering a French census in the 30's put the population of Jews in Europe at somewhere around 2.5 million. The US Air force also had speed in their chocolate. And British commandos always had speed in their kit.




The US government still uses speed to this day w/ there soldiers.



Not anymore they use modafinil.




I thought they still used Adderall as well? Either way, Mofafinil is still speed more or less...


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Pariahprose]
    #22223721 - 09/11/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Pariahprose said:
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Roker said:
good call, considering a French census in the 30's put the population of Jews in Europe at somewhere around 2.5 million. The US Air force also had speed in their chocolate. And British commandos always had speed in their kit.




The US government still uses speed to this day w/ there soldiers.



Not anymore they use modafinil.




I thought they still used Adderall as well? Either way, Mofafinil is still speed more or less...



IMO its better. No side effects


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: dark3st]
    #22225753 - 09/12/15 04:24 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I thought U.S. soldiers used Dexedrine during WW2? Then again I think meth is still king.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: CLIT]
    #22225943 - 09/12/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

might be an interesting read, but if it follows along the line of OP's original post, than it is total bullshit. The holocaust did not happen because Hitler was taking drugs, and to suggest that is very insulting to the millions that died.

There has been a longstanding pogrom against Jewish people for hundreds of years. In the middle ages, artwork depicting satan often showed him with an obscenely hooked nose, the same nose drawn on images of Jewish people. Jews were blamed for famine, war, plague, and just about everything in between.

Hitler took this idea of a Jewish scapegoat and played into it. The fact that Hitler took stimulants, had nothing to do with the intense hatred shown to Jews, Russians, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Blacks, and a myriad other number of cultures.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #22226227 - 09/12/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

^ his insanely delusional policies and actions that resulted in the genocide might not be because of drug use, I'll give you that. But for a guy to be that crazy and be all fucked off on drugs that can make people lose their shit is what I'm seeing. His actions seem to have been influenced by his drug use.


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: morbiddoctor]
    #22227446 - 09/12/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Yep, and people really did believe Jews had tails like the devil...


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Konyap]
    #22229392 - 09/12/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Yep, and people really did believe Jews had tails like the devil...


Are you trying to tell me otherwise?
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http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123778

As for the go pills — the speed — the Air Force says theres no reason for any change in policy that they are essential for combat pilots now being sent to war over Afghanistan and Iraq.

"These men are patriots, these men were sent to fight a war and they're put in a situation where it's either take these pills or you don't fly," Skobel said.

For a pilot Skobel said Its not a choice at all.


The article also says things like:
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He said People who get strung out onare are usually crazy. Theyre paranoid they stop eating.



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Butno matter the dose are not approved by the Food and Drug Administration to combat fatigue and are listed by the Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule Two narcotic in the same category as cocaine.



^One sentence by the way.

Skim though it again.. there's a reason we don't go to the local newsstand to get out drug info. The only thing strung out here is the way they present their info. That whole article is he-said / she-said, whether citing doctors or soldiers or whoever else they talked to for the report. It's a total mismatch of questionable sources...


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Wah]
    #22229397 - 09/12/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

That happens a lot with text formats and advertising on the webpage, probably not using microsoft word lol


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Konyap]
    #22229401 - 09/12/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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That happens a lot with text formats and advertising on the webpage, probably not using microsoft word lol


I think the problem with that article is a bit deeper than the grammar. That's just the first thing I jumped on.

(I wonder how much meth grammar nazis take... :grin:)


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Re: Hitler and Meth [Re: Wah]
    #22229425 - 09/12/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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