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Messiah of Savants
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nobler Hino]
#27131069 - 01/06/21 05:12 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I would not give a new person 2g cubes and 1g pans. Especially if it was my girlfriend. I once gave a girlfriend 1g cubes for the first time and it was a terrible experience.
On a different note, but related to tripping, has anyone noticed that dry pans lose more potency than cubes when dried? I want to say I read that somewhere here a few months ago.
Last weekend I tripped on 5g pans and my girl 3g and we both had somewhat light trips that were nothing what we expected. It felt like about 1/2 - 2/3 the strength as fresh. It was our first time doing them dry. I did the calculation of wet fruits assuming the mushrooms were 93% water and about 4x as strong as cubes to get to our normal, deep, trip dose. When we did the equivalent trip fresh the previous weekend we tripped hard. My gf even said it was the hardest, most visual trip she ever had.
I will have to weigh some pans fresh and dried and see what the actually water percentage is. If they were 95% that means my 5g may have only been 3.5g or so and that could explain things a bit more.
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Sounds like some bunk pans. 2g dry should send you through a portal.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27131118 - 01/06/21 05:35 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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somethin wrong there for sure. 2.0 dry is enuff to really put someone in an extreme state of omg urs gtta b garbage then
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#27131149 - 01/06/21 05:43 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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They weren't bunk. We still had a trip and a good time, just not as strong and deep as we were hoping. I've said before in many threads, my average cube dose is between 15-20g. I have a much higher tolerance than anyone I've ever met and most everyone on these boards. My gf also has a higher tolerance than anyone I've ever met, but still not like mine. I like going really deep when I do trip. I also never really get any visuals. It sucks.
Edited by Messiah of Savants (01/06/21 05:46 PM)
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The first two trips we did fresh certainly weren't garbage and lived up to all expectations! I always take what anyone says about potency on here with a grain of salt. Everyone is so different.
Edited by Messiah of Savants (01/06/21 05:51 PM)
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fresh pans have more psilocin than cubes. when they are dried, most of the psilocin degrades (i have no proof to back that up but it's just what i've heard).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#27131181 - 01/06/21 05:53 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah, I've seen numbers that the psilocin content is much higher in pans than in cubes and that's the reason why they lose more potency than cubes when they are dried.
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yeah, i'm sure us mortals won't notice a little psilocin disappearing but god tier 20g cube trippers like yourself probably do the difference probably adds up at higher doses.
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So how does everyone here dry their pans? Same as cubes? Hot and fast?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tiptrippy]
#27131200 - 01/06/21 06:00 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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i'm drying them with as little heat as necessary. i'm trying out 110-120F to see if it makes a difference or not but i don't have any results yet. my unproven theory is that you'll lose less psilocin at lower temperatures. even at 120F they dry out in just a few hours anyways. blue helix doesn't even use heat, he uses forced airflow but that scares me. i bet he gets away with it because pans are thin like toothpicks and will dry quickly anyways.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#27131208 - 01/06/21 06:03 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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My cheap ass Wal-Mart dehydrator doesn't have a temp setting. It's just hot as fuck all the time lol
This worries me a bit
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 1
#27131212 - 01/06/21 06:04 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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i dry mine at 160 and they will send u to fuckin outter space. the longer u take to dry them the more u lose from simple oxidization. u can boil them and not rdally even lose shit. u should dry as fast as possible them properly store them
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#27131217 - 01/06/21 06:06 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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i promise ur walmart aint no higher than the 150-175 temp i promise ur fine and arent losin shit
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#27131224 - 01/06/21 06:08 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Over the years I've experimented with 95F, 125F, and 160F. I haven't noticed any difference in potency with any of those settings. I usually dry them at 125F.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#27131260 - 01/06/21 06:21 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Quote:
FriedEgg said: fresh pans have more psilocin than cubes. when they are dried, most of the psilocin degrades (i have no proof to back that up but it's just what i've heard).
If you take 2g dry you will thank the gods if there's a potency loss But I don't think it degrades much. Even if it does, it's still
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27131268 - 01/06/21 06:23 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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How are people storing their clone cultures? Nutrient-less water? I've already noticed the pan mycelium doesn't like being in the fridge on a petri and then brought out again. I do this with cubes all the time. Most of them have stalled once in the fridge and don't recover. I'm trying water storage next. I'd hate to lose good mono cultures. The one that I revived from a fridge petri seemed dead at first for weeks until I put a piece in a malt LC and then it took off. But I've also had the majority of ones I've tried putting into malt LC just stall and do nothing so far.
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Quote:
Messiah of Savants said: Over the years I've experimented with 95F, 125F, and 160F. I haven't noticed any difference in potency with any of those settings. I usually dry them at 125F.
that's good to know. i don't see the point of drying them any higher than what is necessary. they already dry super fast (within just a few hours).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#27131298 - 01/06/21 06:38 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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I dried mine using a standard 165 dehydrator and it didn't seem to have any effect. They were only on for a few hours though, not overnight like with bigger fruits
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wall.E]
#27131311 - 01/06/21 06:40 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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i can load my dehydrator up with all 5 trays worth and at 160 they r good to go in about 9 hrs. but thats a jammed packed dehydrator
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#27131365 - 01/06/21 07:00 PM (3 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah my shit was falling through and hanging on for dear life. I'll give you a run for your money one day jcm but that's not today or tomorrow rofl
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