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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27128593 - 01/05/21 03:46 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Those who inoculate a bag of sterile sub with LC: do you ever shake or massage the bag? I do some light kneading right after inoculating, then get fast growth on the top half but much slower colonization of the bottom of the bag (and sometimes it stalls out before getting there). Worried my water is slightly off and the conditions at the base aren't great.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: dfwerydfhg]
#27128604 - 01/05/21 03:52 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Light mixing at inoculation and break up the bag around day 5.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27128668 - 01/05/21 04:25 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Asura said: The short of it is that you really will need to fuck up a bunch of grows (maybe) It's like telling someone how to ride a bicycle. You will need practice to develop the skill. I don't think there's any way around that.
I'm having a hard time learning this. I need to keep shit in perspective and realize I've only had 4 grows, but hundreds of tossed plates came before those. Eventually I'll get to a decent level of cult
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27128689 - 01/05/21 04:34 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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While on the topic of bags, and fuck ups. The bag I had colonizing, well it never recovered in the tray. Imagine that shit! I figured my first attempt was going to be a complete learning experience and boy was it. I’m going to explore grains for a bit. I noc’d up 4 quarts of rye berries this morning. Fingers crossed cuz that was a complete learning experience too. Might as well make another attempt at a bag too. I’m sure I can only fuck up so much before I fuck up and grow mushrooms.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Cy-an-awe]
#27128934 - 01/05/21 06:05 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Non recovery is usually due to a weak culture and the thing about that is is that I have had great looking cultures not recover and other cultures not even flinch. it’s kind of a pan thing. I would probably think about taking it back to the plate if the grain doesn’t work out for you.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Cy-an-awe]
#27128987 - 01/05/21 06:23 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Cy-an-awe said: While on the topic of bags, and fuck ups. The bag I had colonizing, well it never recovered in the tray. Imagine that shit! I figured my first attempt was going to be a complete learning experience and boy was it. I’m going to explore grains for a bit. I noc’d up 4 quarts of rye berries this morning. Fingers crossed cuz that was a complete learning experience too. Might as well make another attempt at a bag too. I’m sure I can only fuck up so much before I fuck up and grow mushrooms. 
In my limited experience with bags, I've found that getting moisture content right is my biggest challenge. Have done a few runs using Asura's tek, and the recipe he uses has resulted in a soggy, muddy mess every time. Made me realize that the ability of things like straw, manure, and grain to absorb water really varies a lot by type and source and even batch, so you need to figure out the optimal ratios for yourself. And it's not just a matter of field capacity - moisture retention changes during cooking, so things that seem perfect before sterilization may not be after.
No secret solution that I know of - you just need to keep trying until you get it right. But maybe more experienced folks can weigh in on how you dial in moisture levels for different ingredients?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Durgin]
#27129039 - 01/05/21 06:40 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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My sub-prep is basically based on having 65% water content at the end. So if your substrate can't hold that, you will have a different set of problems. If everything isn't bone dry at the beginning you would need to calculate your water content and adjust.
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Well it could be that or any 1 of the complete saf newbie welcome to at home mycology things I did along the way. I will spare the details, but this culture needs another go. All I can say is redo! Redo!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Durgin]
#27129096 - 01/05/21 07:10 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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The first one I did everything came together perfectly just like Asuras instructions. Beginners luck maybe. Could it cause a problem if I let it colonize too long in the bag? Can that effect how well it recovers in the tray? If the momentum is broken or slowed.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Phony Phone]
#27129174 - 01/05/21 07:57 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Phony Phone said: OK so there is no use hand watering after the pinset has matured until the next flush/wave. got it
not exactly. if your fruiting chamber is so dry that the casing dries up, then your mushrooms will begin to dry up too. the humid microclimate of a wet casing will keep the fruits from evaporating. also, mushrooms absorb some moisture out of the casing layer too, not just the substrate. so if the casing layer is dry, they'll also have a harder time absorbing all the water they need to grow big and strong.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] 1
#27129183 - 01/05/21 08:02 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Asura said: My sub-prep is basically based on having 65% water content at the end. So if your substrate can't hold that, you will have a different set of problems. If everything isn't bone dry at the beginning you would need to calculate your water content and adjust.
i tried the 65% water content thing in the very beginning and it resulted in my sub mixture being so dry i couldn't squeeze out a single drop of water no matter how hard i tried. i threw away the calculator and just eyeballed my moisture content using the squeeze test and it worked fine after that. different straw and manure must have a big impact.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg] 1
#27129188 - 01/05/21 08:04 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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nec ds are now spawned😃 so bring on the monster potent fucker cuz i cant wait to try out 2 grams of these bad boys to see if in fact they live up to the legend. i also hope i get some good clones
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FriedEgg]
#27129198 - 01/05/21 08:10 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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FriedEgg said: i tried the 65% water content thing in the very beginning and it resulted in my sub mixture being so dry i couldn't squeeze out a single drop of water no matter how hard i tried. i threw away the calculator and just eyeballed my moisture content using the squeeze test and it worked fine after that. different straw and manure must have a big impact. 
How did you calculate? I see this done wrong all the time. I just updated the Substrate recipe in my write up that better (hopefully) explains how the calcs are done.
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#27129246 - 01/05/21 08:42 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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My brother ate 1.5g and met entities that guided him around a different realm, is that the type of shit you're doing every other week jcm?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wall.E]
#27129249 - 01/05/21 08:43 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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That's the kind of stuff that happens to me
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27129259 - 01/05/21 08:46 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yeesh, I can't wait to see it. Gonna be about another month and a half or so
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wall.E]
#27129285 - 01/05/21 08:59 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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I remember once on a big dose of L I was basically pinned at the godhead while four of em stood around me while laughing at me. They kept trying to get me to laugh more as well.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27129317 - 01/05/21 09:22 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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FriedEgg said: i tried the 65% water content thing in the very beginning and it resulted in my sub mixture being so dry i couldn't squeeze out a single drop of water no matter how hard i tried. i threw away the calculator and just eyeballed my moisture content using the squeeze test and it worked fine after that. different straw and manure must have a big impact. 
How did you calculate? I see this done wrong all the time. I just updated the Substrate recipe in my write up that better (hopefully) explains how the calcs are done.
i don't remember exactly but i followed your tek two separate times and came to the same result.
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#27129325 - 01/05/21 09:24 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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i spawned a few trays today before i went to meet my new gf for lunch (she doesn't know about the mushrooms yet). she gave me a hug and said "mmmmm what's that smell? you smell a bit like almonds! yum it smells so good!" 
(pan myc smells like almonds)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27129475 - 01/05/21 11:04 PM (3 years, 23 days ago) |
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Asura said: I just updated the Substrate recipe in my write up that better (hopefully) explains how the calcs are done.
Wasn't the old version 1900g of water to 1100g of everything else (for 3000g total)? Or am I imagining things? If it's 65% of substrate before grain is added, that would explain where my earlier attempts went wrong
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