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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#27125310 - 01/04/21 05:43 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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jcm4620 said: good deal covers im glad u had a good grow. i look fwd to seein the next one. but have u ever givin any thought to goon with a full size tray in the fc instead? u will greatly increase your yield by doing so
If I had been more calm about the whole thing then I would have run these pots then moved on to a tray, however, as I went a bit mad I have a fair few pots that are all colonised and ready to fruit. Once I've finished up all these pots I'm going to look at running a tray in the FC. But I'm enjoying running little pots as I want to explore different pans for now.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27125317 - 01/04/21 05:47 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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cool i was just wonderin. but ive got similar containers for fruiting out clone transfers when im lookin for my keeper cultures i can fit about 16 in each fc im hopin like hell i get to use them with the nec d. im so exited to run and even more exited to try them bad boys
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The Dalcassian said: It's not on grains dude, they're BRF cakes. As for the health of the myc, I'll let someone else field that...
That's some chunky flour....
And I haven't seen rhizos in pan myc, that's all I'm saying.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wall.E]
#27125339 - 01/04/21 06:06 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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The Dalcassian said: It's not on grains dude, they're BRF cakes. As for the health of the myc, I'll let someone else field that...
That's some chunky flour....
And I haven't seen rhizos in pan myc, that's all I'm saying.
I grind my own brf and prefer it on the chunky side. I used store bought stuff for the first time the other day and it's way too fine imo. Makes the mix clumpier.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27125347 - 01/04/21 06:14 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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I haven't tried brf yet but I'm planning on it and I was also gonna do the same thing
I was just stating why I thought it was wbs/millet and not brf
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wall.E]
#27125356 - 01/04/21 06:18 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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I've used brf for nutes in bottles quite a few times. I also only use brf for agar, every species I grow seems to love it across the board.
But going back to those cakes, yeah I've never seen ropes in pan mycelium.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wall.E]
#27125754 - 01/04/21 10:22 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Myc_Hunt said: And I haven't seen rhizos in pan myc, that's all I'm saying.
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Hey all! Update on the mystery pan cake pins from my post a few days ago (the ones where I had stupidly labeled the foil and not the container, and accidentally tossed the label when I put into fruiting. Here they are as of this morning:



The tallest of these are about 2 inches and are just about fully matured, and as you can see, a couple of them had the caps open at around an inch high (yesterday or the day before). A few questions for those of you who know these things better than I do:
- First, what kind do they look to be? They're either (a) Pan Cam Sandose, (b) Pan Bisporus, (c) Pan Cyan Jamaican, or (d) Pan Cyan Australian. (They came in a 4-pack special from a sponsor vendor who does syringes in 4-pack specials, in case that helps.) From the pictures on the vendor's site, they look most similar to the Sandose, but I'm not 100% certain.
- Second, in terms of the short height, would you attribute that to genetics, or is that more likely a product of the conditions?
- Finally, if it's the conditions, do these look too dry, too wet, or something else? And is there anything I can change now to get better performance out of what's left of this grow?
Some basic details that may or may not be useful for answering those questions:
- These are grown with the MacMerdin pan-cake tek, with two modifications: (a) I used HPOO instead of manure/humus mix, and omitted the worm castings (which MacMerdin said he only added because he was using the lower-nute manure/humus), and (b) I replaced half the BRF with chopped RGS (MacMerdin said he used the latter for grass-loving species, and since I was trying out a bunch of different pans at once I just split the difference and hoped for the best).
- Every cake got a few drops from a spore syringe in each of 4 inoculation holes, then they hung out in a cabinet until colonized, at which point they had the verm layer scratched off and replaced with pasteurized 50/50 mix.
- Out of 8 cakes inoculated on 11/14, 3 failed to colonize, and the rest took between 5 and 7 weeks to colonize before being put into fruting. This is the only one so far to show any pins, and it was in fruiting for about 2 weeks before pins arrived.
- They're kept in a Martha GH that's generally between 74 and 77 degrees. There's a small computer fan bringing fresh air in continuously at the top, another small fan in the middle which is on a 30 second on / 30 second off timer to gently move air around inside the GH (pointing away from the substrates, so it doesn't dry them out), and a fogger on an Inkbird humidity controller set at 96% RH which turns on once the humidity in the middle of the GH drops to 86%. (I've been experimenting a bit with the specific levels, but have basically been aiming to get it so there's a decent amount of condensation present when the fogger turns off, which has mostly evaporated by the time the fogger kicks back on - I find it generally cycles about once or twice per hour.)
- Before pinning, I would occasionally mist the surface (once or twice a day) if it was looking dry. Since then, I've switched to using a dropper to wet the surface around the pins without touching them directly. It's possible that they've gotten a little bit of residual mist from spraying other containers in the GH, but they've not been misted directly since pinning.
(I'm mainly interested in answers to the questions above, but would also welcome other feedback as well if anyone spots any other areas for improvement. Also, I ordered the materials last week to build a simpler JCM-style FC for pans, so if the feedback is "you're overcomplicating things with that GH setup!" then don't worry, we're on the same page!)
Thanks in advance for the advice. I'm going to take a couple prints from the mature caps and maybe even try to clone one of the fruits (assuming the small size isn't bad genes) today, so hopefully this is a step toward getting some real pan successes under my belt.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
#27125883 - 01/04/21 11:13 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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question myc did u use a coir based casing?? the only time iv ever had rhizo growth in a pan tray was when coir was in the casing. but i have had bacterial growth that looked like rhizo myc at first too
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#27125886 - 01/04/21 11:14 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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with the ring on the cap im sayin bisp all the way
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#27125932 - 01/04/21 11:32 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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jcm4620 said: with the ring on the cap im sayin bisp all the way
Oh interesting. The examples I'd seen of bisporus had brown stems, whereas these are almost completely white, so I was about to rule that out. Without linking to the specific vendor, their site makes reference to this as the source of the bisporus spores I have: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15626432 . Some of those look closer I suppose? But it also described the pins as having "lead grey to nearly black" caps and these were a very rich dark brown.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Durgin]
#27125944 - 01/04/21 11:37 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Durgin said:
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jcm4620 said: with the ring on the cap im sayin bisp all the way
Oh interesting. The examples I'd seen of bisporus had brown stems, whereas these are almost completely white, so I was about to rule that out. Without linking to the specific vendor, their site makes reference to this as the source of the bisporus spores I have: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15626432 . Some of those look closer I suppose? But it also described the pins as having "lead grey to nearly black" caps and these were a very rich dark brown.
Though actually, I think you're probably right here - Stonesun's grow gives fruits that look much, much more like this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15935137
So I think that answers that part of the puzzle. Now on to the other questions - is the height genetics or conditions, and if it's the latter, what do you think I should be doing differently?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Durgin]
#27125973 - 01/04/21 11:48 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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The pins look very much like Bisporus and the mature fruits look like dried (low humidity in you're FC) Bisporus also.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27125982 - 01/04/21 11:51 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Here are some pics as reference.
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Myc_Hunt said: And I haven't seen rhizos in pan myc, that's all I'm saying.

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Myc_Hunt said: And I haven't seen rhizos in pan myc, that's all I'm saying.

Almost looks like Cubensis contam.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#27126003 - 01/04/21 11:57 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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jcm4620 said: question myc did u use a coir based casing?? the only time iv ever had rhizo growth in a pan tray was when coir was in the casing. but i have had bacterial growth that looked like rhizo myc at first too
This was back a few pages. Still haven't seen rhizomorphs on my own pan myc. That guy had some but whatever, let's get to my semantics and not the giant metabolite spot in that guys grain brf jar.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27126026 - 01/04/21 12:04 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said: Here are some pics as reference.
 And outdoor

Thanks, yeah, that looks very much like what I've got.
Definitely starting to see the appeal of the jcm-style tub system if what I'm doing is too dry - I had to dial things back a bit because there was so much condensation I was starting to get mildew, and cleaning the inside of the martha is a real hassle. Will turn it up a bit for the next couple days and then move to the jcm FC when I get it built.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wall.E] 1
#27126051 - 01/04/21 12:15 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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jcm4620 said: question myc did u use a coir based casing?? the only time iv ever had rhizo growth in a pan tray was when coir was in the casing. but i have had bacterial growth that looked like rhizo myc at first too
This was back a few pages. Still haven't seen rhizomorphs on my own pan myc. That guy had some but whatever, let's get to my semantics and not the giant metabolite spot in that guys grain brf jar.
I've seen that tipe of myc in my grows but I can't call it rizo. It only apears under fruits. So it more like roots than the rizo myc you see with cubes.
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