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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27074922 - 12/06/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What is the logic behind sterilizing both the sub and spawn mixed in a spawn bag at once then like other pan cultivators do?




Less overall effort and energy to combine ingredients, less stress and disruption of the mycelial colony through breakage. It's not spawn though, it's just grain.

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I'll probably never attempt to spawn pans to pasteurized manure again in the future. Spawning supplemented bags to trays and casing right away is too easy.




I want to use supplemented 12" pp5 pie holder's, this way you inoculate with LC and fruit from the same tray. The shape stacks well in the pc as well. No disruption of the mycelium whatsoever.






I really like the look of those pie dishes. Hopefully I can find something similar in my country. Do you know how deep they are?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27074955 - 12/06/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Keep in mind that this is currently untested, I'm just hypothesising at the moment.

My hypothesis:

Mycelium would benefit from a one step inoculation to fruit scenario much like a large pan-cake/PF cake.

Shaking and breaking apart of the mycelium weakens it's ability to fight off latent bacterial contamination, this is why infections in jars/bags often times show themselves during recovery post shake, recovery will be slow indicating infection. PF cakes are more resilient to bacterial contamination for this reason (no breakage, one of the reasons anyways). If I can inoculate a large supplemented fruiting tray with LC without disrupting the mycelium I believe there will be an increase in resistance and overall performance. The round shape seems to accommodate the shape of our PC/sterilizer.

Yet to be determined.

Here is a link to some trays:

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B082J52RPW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_b-qZFbB96XV9G


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27074963 - 12/06/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You gonna pour or use a ship for those containers?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27074965 - 12/06/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I was wondering about fluffing after cook before inoculation. It’s worth exploring. Great idea. :stoned:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #27074967 - 12/06/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Poured LC. I don't like ships but to each their own. Lid will be modified with SFD.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27074969 - 12/06/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

MacMerdin had success with that approach, as well as nosf3r4tu, among others. I like the 'one pot' style as it appeals to the less active side of my nature. But I don't see others having too much trouble with grain, or breaking up the supplemented sub from bags.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27074983 - 12/06/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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MacMerdin had success with that approach, as well as nosf3r4tu, among others. I like the 'one pot' style as it appeals to the less active side of my nature. But I don't see others having too much trouble with grain, or breaking up the supplemented sub from bags.




It's not about trouble or being lazy, it has to do with the organisms biology. Breaking induces stress that weakens it's ability to stave off infection, yet to be seen if there will be an increase in efficiency or productivity during fruiting.

It is a sound hypothesis.

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The shape and size of the tray lends itself to stacking withing the PC as well.  Someone had objected to it's shape due to the rectangular shape of the shelf it would be placed on in a greenhouse or FC, I believe that is an irrelevant observation.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #27074996 - 12/06/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I actually use the grain shake to weed out the weak cultures. when I pull a new culture from MS I will put it to Grain and then shake test it. if it reconsolidates and bounces back it’s likely a good culture and won’t give me future problems. the bad ones will die on the shake. But once I get a good culture and I run multiple jars if it has passed the stall test already I don’t have to worry about them


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27075005 - 12/06/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said, yet to be tested. Weak recovery may not be an issue in this scenario, much like it isn't with pan-cakes.

I accept that anything new will receive resistance, I'm definitely going to make some attempts. This may not be a viable method, but then again, maybe it will.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27075124 - 12/06/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Oh I’m not resisting at all I absolutely think you should do it I was just telling you my experience with them


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27075136 - 12/06/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh I’m not resisting at all I absolutely think you should do it I was just telling you my experience with them




Roger. It will be interesting to see the results. From what I've read about this species it appears as though the colony is very sensitive to damage.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27075163 - 12/06/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I agree and because of my method I very rarely if ever have ran the “weak” Cultures because they are stalled and were tossed so it will be interesting to see their yield capabilities I assumed their fruit producing would be lesser since they are more fragile but I suppose that doesn’t necessarily have to be the case


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #27075185 - 12/06/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My new JCM-FC is all set up and ready to go.

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Gonna let it cycle a few times tomorrow and see if I can get a head start on dialling it in. Just waiting on grains now, which were nocc'd up today, and sub which I'll be attempting tomorrow.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27075190 - 12/06/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Beautiful! Can't wait to see your grows!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27075202 - 12/06/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Man, I've read so much around pan cult now I'm literally on the edge of my seat with anticipation. I just wanna get this first attempt done so I can relax ffs :laugh2:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27075210 - 12/06/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Those are some fuckall stones lol. I was trying to use those tiny ones and well, lol.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27075243 - 12/06/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes I agree and because of my method I very rarely if ever have ran the “weak” Cultures because they are stalled and were tossed so it will be interesting to see their yield capabilities I assumed their fruit producing would be lesser since they are more fragile but I suppose that doesn’t necessarily have to be the case




Exactly, the baby could very well be getting thrown out with the bath water. Only one way to find out.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27075251 - 12/06/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What sort of pump are you using with four of those stones? I was all set to pull the plug on some bubblers then got confused by all the pump sizes and stone requirements.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27075284 - 12/06/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I went for 2x 7w pumps which do 16l/minute. I just tried to get as close to jcm's max output as I could.
The stones are 10cm diameter and say they they need a pump of over 4w so I'm hoping 7w will run two other wise I'll need a another one.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27075287 - 12/06/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i do the exact same thing jake and never use a weak culture. when on grains from agar wedge my qt jars are usually 100% in like 6-7 days without a shake. but i always mix my bulk bags at 50% with no problems. in my experience a good strong culture always seems to bounce right back however i dont like to shake or mix it more than once at 50% and again at the laying the trays.


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