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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: angam]
    #27073776 - 12/05/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nordel what variety of trop is that?? Those are super tall. Also what’s the Rh in your area?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27073777 - 12/05/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't understand the question a bit...


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27073778 - 12/05/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think it also can be quite dependent upon the other materials you are using like I know for a fact Blue helix recipe works because he has multiple grows just like you angam, But with the materials I currently have I have not yet been able to pull up fruits on them but my grain trays will come up right next to them. I just got a new source of super nice old horse manure I’m really excited about and I’m going to re-run all the different methods again and see what happens


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27073800 - 12/05/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Good horse manure is the most important factor in growth!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: angam]
    #27073801 - 12/05/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Good horse manure is the most important factor in growth!




Are you sterilizing or pasteurizing your manure?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27073827 - 12/05/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Nordel what variety of trop is that?? Those are super tall. Also what’s the Rh in your area?




The spore print i got was simply labelled panaeolus tropicalis.
I didnt even know there were varieties. If you know more, please elaborate.

Regarding the tallness I totally agree. It's the tallest pan species after all, or so i heard.
It also seems that every new wave the fruits tend to get taller. I think the tallest fruit from the harvest you've seen was ~20 cm.

Im from central europe, so we have moderate climate over here.

I grow them in my bathroom though, which is pretty warm (24 °C) and of course more humid than a living room.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
    #27073882 - 12/05/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Those trops look like low light tamps.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #27073983 - 12/05/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Those trops look like low light tamps.




I agree, the trops are a bit pointier though.
And they may be tall but after drying you can almost floss your teeth with them.

Anyway, have you (or any one else) an idea how to get straight fruits?
Mine look rather indecisive...
Has that something to do with genetics, fruiting conditions (like lighting etc.) or everything combined?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
    #27074050 - 12/05/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think genetics have something to do with it, but maybe nutrition levels too.

I’ve done jambo and the trop Aussies which both grew straight, then with wild coast I had lots of fused caps and weird stuff going on but I also used at least double the grain as normal.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27074182 - 12/05/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Unlike plants mushrooms grow toward the oxygen rather that light although light does point the mushroom in the direction of the oxygen. So maybe more FAE. Or maybe light. Not sure never really seen pans grows like that

But like AKA said could be genetic as well.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: angam]
    #27074504 - 12/06/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Greetings friends! There are questions about my groves here.I really don't use grain,because I believe that the mushroom has much more power on manure.I also don't use antibiotics.Agar is also not used.Yields are achieved due to the perfect conditions you set.
In the future, I plan to make mushrooms on grain and post the result here.
...just hay-manure...:smile:





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wonderful grows angam! I am trying your approach, but need better manure! I am slowly building a chamber that produces good conditions! One day I will grow a pan!

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angam said:
Good horse manure is the most important factor in growth!




Are you sterilizing or pasteurizing your manure?




Angam's other posts say 90 mins in the PC iirc.

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Greetings brothers Grover! I apologize for my English.Please understand.



Hay-manure was prepared, placed in jars as airy as possible.

Sterilized in a pressure cooker.






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Spring days have come!

The mood to make new discoveries has sharpened!

We are developing a new strain-Panaeolus Tropicalis!

Prepare the suspension and for a couple of days in a dark place to hydrate the spores.

During this time, we prepare 8 cans of hay-manure and sterilize it in a pressure cooker for an hour and a half.






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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27074587 - 12/06/20 05:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What do you guys use in terms of bags for pasteurizing? I've been using the pre-filtered bags off some website but that supply is diminishing and I know there's better ways to go about this.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wall.E]
    #27074607 - 12/06/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Jars or oven bags. Somebody just posted about how they reuse spawn bags, never tried it but I have used the same oven bag a ton of times.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27074617 - 12/06/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Composted manures contain beneficial bacteria that play a role in primordia formation, and likely play a role in other stages of the organisms life cycle. These beneficial bacteria are not present in straw alone nor in coir. So as you stated above, pasteurization deals with the non-beneficial bacteria while promoting an ecological niche for the beneficial bacterial species like Bacillus megaterium, which has been shown to facilitate primordia formation in some agaricus strains.

I doubt that anyone has done the appropriate research to identify the bacterial species that interact with pans, they're obviously present nonetheless, otherwise you would see no noticeable difference in primordia formation or overall performance when
comparing horse manure to straw and coir.

These useful bacteria protect the substrate from infection, they act as a sort of immune system for the pasteurized substrate. Some bacteria even affect harvest weight in commercial species of gourmet mushroom. Composting is necessary for this reason, it allows for the appropriate organisms to develop. Same kind of idea with compost made for the garden. Beneficial microbes form a symbiosis with fungal colonies and plant root zones.

According to Park and Agnihotri (1969), Bacillus megaterium stimulates primordia formation

Another species, Bacillus thermofibricolous, if introduced at
spawning, inhibits the growth of competitor molds in rice bran/sawdust spawn prepared for shiitake
cultivation according to Steineck (1973)

Bacillus subtilis QST713 was tested for impact on yield and efficacy against a Trichoderma aggressivum.

Sources:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/egymushroom.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/mushroom-culture-bacillus/amp/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330711315_Impact_of_Bacillus_subtilis_QST713_mushroom_grain_spawn_treatment_on_yield_and_green_mould_control

https://academic.oup.com/femsle/article/218/2/271/530921

https://patents.google.com/patent/KR20040078027A/en




What is the logic behind sterilizing both the sub and spawn mixed in a spawn bag at once then like other pan cultivators do?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27074619 - 12/06/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'll probably never attempt to spawn pans to pasteurized manure again in the future. Spawning supplemented bags to trays and casing right away is too easy.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Phony Phone]
    #27074854 - 12/06/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What is the logic behind sterilizing both the sub and spawn mixed in a spawn bag at once then like other pan cultivators do?




Less overall effort and energy to combine ingredients, less stress and disruption of the mycelial colony through breakage. It's not spawn though, it's just grain.

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I'll probably never attempt to spawn pans to pasteurized manure again in the future. Spawning supplemented bags to trays and casing right away is too easy.




I want to use supplemented 12" pp5 pie holder's, this way you inoculate with LC and fruit from the same tray. The shape stacks well in the pc as well. No disruption of the mycelium whatsoever.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27074861 - 12/06/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Jumbo ziplock bags


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27074878 - 12/06/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Do you fruit from the bags though?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27074880 - 12/06/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

No, I just use them to line my electric cooker for pasteurization


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27074884 - 12/06/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm gonna do that or use jars like aka said. I'm not sure why I didn't think of that earlier


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