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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #27073240 - 12/05/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I mean in nature they only come up in sparse clusters if that’s what you’re going for then straight manure should work fine however indoor cultivation is all about outperforming nature it’s the same with marijuana also.
We are looking for *optimal* conditions


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27073244 - 12/05/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

For now one pan would suit me, then I can think about starting the path towards outperforming natuer.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27073279 - 12/05/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It’s more about consistency than anything else yes your yield will increase also however some cultures just want to grow for you so sometimes a culture will just push through and you will be surprised how easy it was then you switch strains run the exact same procedure and slam into issues that was what I first really noticed about pans sometimes you just get lucky and the culture does a lot of the Work for you but being able to pull pans up consistently across different strains and cultures requires optimization and it can be quite tricky at first


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27073290 - 12/05/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

ya the holes in my lids help my air exchange bigtime. also it did make a difference in my fruits both in size and in quantity compared to without them in there. it helps the older warmer air flow up and out as the new air is pumped in from below


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #27073295 - 12/05/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That’s interesting yeah I mean I only did one run without so it is definitely not solid proof that it will not work Blue helix and I have actually been discussing this back-and-forth trying to figure out grains effect on yield. I know for a fact if you go over 1 to 4 ratio you start running into problems. Cutting out grain completely would be awesome save me several hours of work and material cost so would only having to use LC and I am trying but as of right now grain to bulk is by far the most consistent optimal performer, for me at least




Not necessarily. My Cyans did well last time I run them on 1:1 ratio approximately. Half a liter of spawn to half a liter of substrate, approximately. Pulled 15g dry from that boy.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #27073486 - 12/05/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

jcm4620:

I have a similar setup to yours in a 50 gallon (189L) bin that I will be putting some Estero trays in next week. I've read that Pans do not like water getting on their caps and will abort. I set it up yesterday and today I opened the lid and there was sooo much condensation and a TON of water droplets coming from the lid. I have 8 half inch holes drilled in the lid. It seems like a great environment to grow Pans though. Nice, warm and humid.

How do you not have a problem with your lids dripping? It's a big lid so it has ribs for strength otherwise I would have kept it tilted a bit so they could run down, but I can't really do that. I have a heavy duty air pump hooked up with three large air stones in it. It really puts out the air. I'm guessing this is what's doing it. I will probably try closing the valves a tad. Either that or rig up a piece of clear plastic to the lid that has one side that hangs down further to allow the water to run down.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27073491 - 12/05/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

And another trop-update...

SGFC 2nd flush





FC 2nd flush




Mono 3rd flush




Total


All in all i would say that the sgfc was the most comfortable and efficient tek. One decent sgfc is enough for one tripping household. :smile:

I still got another mono running though. Have to compare results with the first mono which i could have handled better (made some errors like applying the casing to soon, which led to a cracked substrate due to carrying since the substrate wasnt colonized enough).

Shoebox: ongoing 1st flush


I havent thought much about it before trying to grow them in a shoebox. Just testing the waters because i wanted to know how they'll do. My expectations weren't that high...

Anyway... kinda dumb of me to forget how tall they are getting...
Guess i need to apply a plastic bag.

But the important thing to note here is:
They are doing well! Even in a shoebox.

So to anyone being nervous about having the right equipment for them...dont be!
A shoebox is really all you need to get enough out of it. Sure, the yield wont be stellar, but it will be sufficient. The difference to a cube grow is only marginal. These trops are really good-natured guys.
The most important thing is just to give em enough water, not to overdo it and stop spraying and using a syringe for watering once the first pins appear. FAE wasn't as crucial as i thought it would be. Sure, I fanned them on a regular basis, but there were days where i forgot fanning...especially after the first successful flushes when my laziness kicked in.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
    #27073498 - 12/05/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nice! Is this the same sub? Using manure pellets?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27073547 - 12/05/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

well i get droplets on the underside of the lid but its not nowhere near where anything drips. however when i do open it to tend to it i tilt it upward and back so it just runs down the lid onto the back wall and into the other water. but like i said the amount i get on the lid is minimal. also if u dont have nothing in there its gnna create more on the lid for u. i notice that a lot when i dont have trays in there. but once i put my trays in there the amount of beading on the lid drops bigtime. but like i said ur gnna have a lil bit but it shouldnt be that much to where its constantly raining on your trays. but ike i said tho the key is to just lift up and tilt back when tending to it to let it run off. and if it is creating that much of a problem then lower ur water temp a tad by turning the submerged heater down a bit and see if that helps at all. but u should def have made the holes on the top like i say to in the write up cuz it does make a difference for sure.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27073554 - 12/05/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

heres the tops of mine like i said j dont have a big issue with it at all when i have my trays in there



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #27073587 - 12/05/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That’s interesting yeah I mean I only did one run without so it is definitely not solid proof that it will not work Blue helix and I have actually been discussing this back-and-forth trying to figure out grains effect on yield. I know for a fact if you go over 1 to 4 ratio you start running into problems. Cutting out grain completely would be awesome save me several hours of work and material cost so would only having to use LC and I am trying but as of right now grain to bulk is by far the most consistent optimal performer, for me at least




Not necessarily. My Cyans did well last time I run them on 1:1 ratio approximately. Half a liter of spawn to half a liter of substrate, approximately. Pulled 15g dry from that boy.




Yeah I mean I’m not saying it can’t work however you have additional nutrition in your sub that does not yield increased results if you were to run 10 1 to 1 and 10 1 to 4 I would bet money that you have a higher loss rate on the one to one ratio although I can’t say definitely as I have not performed that exact experiment.
I have tried a few different methods though and a few different methods have worked although as of yet I have not gotten Blue helix recipe to work but I know it can work again the real trick with pans is learning how to grow them consistently across different strains and cultures some are just going to be easier on you than others but you will start to learn, Not only what works and what doesn’t but what works successfully a higher percentage of the time.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: coversall]
    #27073588 - 12/05/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Nice! Is this the same sub? Using manure pellets?




Yup. I only have pellets, and still got a lot left.

But since they are doing so well, im thinking about doing a small test run with a coir based substrate without manure.
Just for shits and giggles.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #27073632 - 12/05/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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well i get droplets on the underside of the lid but its not nowhere near where anything drips. however when i do open it to tend to it i tilt it upward and back so it just runs down the lid onto the back wall and into the other water. but like i said the amount i get on the lid is minimal. also if u dont have nothing in there its gnna create more on the lid for u. i notice that a lot when i dont have trays in there. but once i put my trays in there the amount of beading on the lid drops bigtime. but like i said ur gnna have a lil bit but it shouldnt be that much to where its constantly raining on your trays. but ike i said tho the key is to just lift up and tilt back when tending to it to let it run off. and if it is creating that much of a problem then lower ur water temp a tad by turning the submerged heater down a bit and see if that helps at all. but u should def have made the holes on the top like i say to in the write up cuz it does make a difference for sure.

heres the tops of mine like i said j dont have a big issue with it at all when i have my trays in there






Thanks for the info!

I did a quick calculation of the surface area of the holes we have just by taking a guess at the size of your tub and I estimate you have at least double the surface area of holes than I do. I will be adding a bunch of more holes smaller than 0.5in. I might still have to close the valves on the air pump.

Code:
1gallon = 231 in2

EcoPlus Eco4: 275 in2 per minute * 2 = 550 in2 of air per minute total in your setup

EcoPlus Air1 = 793 GPH / 60 = 13.2 gal per min / 231 in2 = 3049.2 in2 of air per minute in my setup



6x the air with half as much hole area is probably creating my rain storm. :blush:

Thanks again for posting the picture of your lid. I missed the picture of your lid in your original post.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
    #27073667 - 12/05/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I only have pellets




Do you have a link for this product? I've been searching online and can only seem to find hen pellets.


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    #27073701 - 12/05/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I only have pellets




Do you have a link for this product? I've been searching online and can only seem to find hen pellets.




Sure, here u go. That's exactly what i got.

Weird though that you can't find that in usa/canada.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
    #27073706 - 12/05/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You can't find anything in this Country.


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    #27073714 - 12/05/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You can't find anything in this Country.



But you guys have Poutine. :smile:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
    #27073724 - 12/05/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

But no horse manure pellets. I've searched far and wide for them.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] * 1
    #27073734 - 12/05/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Results of the harvest of the week:
15g of dried pans, ready to be consumed.



It came from this:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: diegosf] * 2
    #27073764 - 12/05/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Greetings friends! There are questions about my groves here.I really don't use grain,because I believe that the mushroom has much more power on manure.I also don't use antibiotics.Agar is also not used.Yields are achieved due to the perfect conditions you set.
In the future, I plan to make mushrooms on grain and post the result here.
...just hay-manure...:smile:


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