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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: GlitchInSpace]
#27056164 - 11/24/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just made a 4% LC for the hell of it. The growth was explosive. No room left in the jar at 4 days or so. Myc was growing up the sides. It looked crazy but I put it to a bag today just to see what would happen. This is at 3 days...

Nasty!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27056208 - 11/24/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I tried out 4% for awhile I had the same stuff going on with the myc growing up the walls. It ended up getting too thick to even be broken up by the magnetic stirrer. At that point I make a new LC and suck up what I can and transfer. I have about twelve jars I can’t use for that reason. Been to lazy to expand
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Did you ever end up using it? I just wanted to see if I could get some good momentum going in my bags. I think BH does this and his bags grow out fast.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27056268 - 11/24/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh yeah I used the hell out of it until it was no longer usable and just too thick. If I’m gonna be keeping an LC for a long time I like to use more food for it too. After awhile it becomes clear and the LC is finished growing. I started using peptone in it too. And I noticed the it stretches extends the growth of the LC a lot.
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And another Update...
Pan Trops in a simple Mono
Day 10

Day 11


Harvest Time! 
Before stump removal...

...and after

Conclusion: Im pleasantly surprised. I expected an outcome of maybe 5-6g dry, but by the looks of it ill end up with ~11-12g. And all it took was 11 days from casing to harvest. So, LC-preparation and agar isolation not included, 21 days seems to be quite doable (jar->harvest). I wonder what the all-time speed record for that is...
On a more negative note, the picking is messier than with cubes. Its hard to not destroy the casing while picking them. Right after I filled up the holes with verm and hydrated it really well. Was too lazy to prepare casing material for this...I'll see if i can get one or 2 more waves out of it.
Notes:
- The bowl of freshly picked fruits smelled awesome! It reminded me of pretty mild cilantro(i love cilantro) with a dash of radish.
Cubes on the other hand reek like a hobo sleeping bag...
- I guess it would have been possible to make a tea out of the stumps...but i wasnt that desperate...
- Picking a big portion of pans is really tedious labour...
- Initially i planned to be able to pick pans in July. But in the end it took me 9 months (and a cube detour) to achieve this goal.
In February i didnt know shit about mycology, just how to metabolize shrooms.  Yup. Cocky and proud now!
BTW: Can anyone gimme an estimate how long fresh pans can be stored in the fridge? 2-3 days perhaps? Any XP?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
#27056703 - 11/25/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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how do these compare to cyans? are they more tolerant to lower evaporation rates? Ever tried cyans in a mono style FC? Do you know why the center of your mono didnt get any pins?
well played
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Phony Phone]
#27056736 - 11/25/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Phony Phone said: how do these compare to cyans? are they more tolerant to lower evaporation rates? Ever tried cyans in a mono style FC? Do you know why the center of your mono didnt get any pins?
well played
I cant really say. All i got with my Pan Jams is this:

All i can say is that the trops myc was way more whispier and gray. The pan jam myc i got was growing like cancer. For instance: Getting out the pan jam grain for spawning wasnt possible without using a spoon, that dense it was. The myc really looks and feels like rubber. The PT grains on the other hand u need to just shake 1 or 2 times to loosen them all up. I tried the pan cyans in a mono and in trays that i put into a sgfc and all of it ended up like in the pic above. But like i wrote earlier...i guess I just got bad luck with genetics. Others seem to be successful with them.
In the beginning, when i was using waylitjims pancake tek to fruit directly from jars, i was able to fruit though. But i didnt know shit back then. All i got out of it was maybe 1-2g dry. And innoculating with Spores? Never again! Agar and LC is the way to go. Especially with pans.
And when comparing the trips i got with both of them...the trops(I bought a pan trop growbox last winter, thats how my cultivation plans started) smoked my ego, the pan jams a bit less so(took 1g dry respectively). But hey...thats not really much data to provide any insight. And i need to try my haul first.
And regarding the fruitless hole in the middle... I have 2 assumptions. 1) I didnt wait long enough before casing. The substrate was not really fully covered with myc when i applied it. I guess thats due to my negative pan jam experience. I feared that the myc would swallow my casing like the pj-myc did.
2)The box im using as a mono is a bit flexible at the bottom. When i carried it over to the other room the subtrate/casing arched a bit, right in the middle leading to a crack of the substrate.
At least it kinda looks nice, aesthetically speaking. A bit like a fairy ring.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Phony Phone]
#27056767 - 11/25/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice. That overlay looks wild. Have you done agar > grain spawn with No LC intermediate?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
#27056786 - 11/25/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I tried that, but Im not sure if i tried it with pans. And i reverted back to lc afterwards, since the latter method is way faster.
Why should that lead to a different outcome though?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Phony Phone]
#27056792 - 11/25/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Phony Phone said: Hello! What is the consensus on drying cyans? Does heat "kill off" the psilocin or not? It seems the opinions are divided on the matter. There is also serotonin in cyans, how much is it affected by heat?
I've dried a batch of pans at 60 degrees celsius and they were still pretty potent. I think the effect is minimal?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
#27056916 - 11/25/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Regarding drying...
Just finished dehydrating and my initial 150 shriveled down to 9,5g. A bit surprised 'bout that.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nordel]
#27057020 - 11/25/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone who doesn't use straw in their substrate: how coarse is the verm you use? Mine is quite fine, like coarse sand, and the resulting sub looks fairly dense. Is it worth getting something coarser?
Recent progress: discovered that my room occasionally getting to low 60's overnight was seriously stunting or stopping growth, even on plates. LCs seemed to do ok with it but plates, grain jars, substrate jars/bags not doing much. Rigged up an incubator dealy that keeps things above 68 °F and everything is looking a lot better. Now have a couple of small substrate bags, bunch of 1/2 pint substrate jars, couple of pints of grain, all showing various stages of growth! Hopefully I can soon discover new ways to fuck up fruiting
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: dfwerydfhg]
#27057032 - 11/25/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont use any verm. Just cowshit + sawdust. It's relatively dense but some of the sawdust particles are relatively large so it's not bad.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27057084 - 11/25/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've run 2 trays recently of just poop and verm and I used fine grade. Going back to straw though because it's too dense. Had two bags stall out.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27057087 - 11/25/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys remember a couple pages ago when I posted about an experiment on using Alpaca dung in place of horse manure - I have a result, Estero cluster on Alpaca dung / straw:

It's only this cluster so far on that tray because I still suck on pinset-conditions (it is my second ever tray).
I am of course not claiming that Alpaca dung works better or worse than horse manure. All I can say is that is basically works. It would need experiments by more professional growers to say if it might be better or worse than horse. My guess is, that is is just the same - so it comes down to availability and price I suppose.
Also, past weekend I was finally having my first test from the many tiny shrooms I collected from the other tray. Got 2.1g collected over two weeks. Took it all and had an excellent adventure very much indeed. Thank you !
I really see no point in going back to cubes ever. Better keep working on my pinset conditions so that I don't have to pick and dry single shrooms every day for weeks to get enough for a trip.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27057104 - 11/25/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adas said: I dont use any verm. Just cowshit + sawdust. It's relatively dense but some of the sawdust particles are relatively large so it's not bad.
How do you use saw dust?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Geinstein]
#27057121 - 11/25/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adas- cow shit thats cool. Do you field collect? If so what do you look for in field collecting?
I have some horse pastures near by so collecting the RR rain leached and sun dried h-poo has been simple.
As far as drying I ran my dehydrator last nigh at 155F I was drying cubes not pans but it was weird to basically cook them... that link from yesterday seems to be legit sounds rad to "denature enzymes" that oxidize the actives but still not sure how I feel about going that high of temp.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
#27057134 - 11/25/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Xspak, holy shit those are THICC! Good job!
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Geinstein said: How do you use saw dust?
I leech sawdust, mix with the cowshit and pasteurize normally. No rocket science.
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CHUCK.HNTR said: Adas- cow shit thats cool. Do you field collect? If so what do you look for in field collecting?
I have some horse pastures near by so collecting the RR rain leached and sun dried h-poo has been simple.
As far as drying I ran my dehydrator last nigh at 155F I was drying cubes not pans but it was weird to basically cook them... that link from yesterday seems to be legit sounds rad to "denature enzymes" that oxidize the actives but still not sure how I feel about going that high of temp.
No, I actually buy pelletized cowshit. Way easier to work with. Also, I dry my Pans in the dehydrator that goes 65-70°C and it's perfect. Go for it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#27057158 - 11/25/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Decided to harvest these today.. Got a problem with the humidity in my room really didn’t notice that the heater was turned on.. Well, what do you think after all?
Still edible right? Even the ones with the curved and slashed body ??
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#27057173 - 11/25/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asura said: I've run 2 trays recently of just poop and verm and I used fine grade. Going back to straw though because it's too dense. Had two bags stall out.
Yeah this is what I'm worried about- I have one bag that looks great in the top half, but the bottom looks really compacted and the growth doesn't seem to want to go there. I don't want to mess with straw unless I have to so will try a coarser verm next time. And do a better job shaking up the bag before inoc!
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