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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27053357 - 11/23/20 04:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I always just eyeball stuff



I'd probably also eyeball stuff if I was doing something I've done before and the end goal was just to achieve mushrooms. But I'm into this to refine the methods, to find out what works best and to see how I can tweak the best proving method and to potentially optimize it to ultimately find the simplest and most effective way of growing these mushrooms. To me it's not enough to read about poop being somewhat or mostly 'essential' in cultivating these effectively, I want to know EXACTLY what the difference is growing a clone with compared to without all of the different substrates cause Im really curious about what is what, that's all :eatingout:


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about a third verm.



Is there a reason for why you use verm instead of coir? I'm thinking since coir is much cheaper and easier to come by? 


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
    #27053392 - 11/23/20 05:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I bought these two products, one is straw and the other is hay, what can you tell me about these as a substrate?



Also what is the consensus on growing Pans without poop? I was thinking of making a straw/coir/grain based substrate for Pan Cakes right now just to see what happens.




I believe both are fine to work with. I almost always use the decorative straw bales from Walmart for a few dollars a small bale.

As far as straw subs, I can recall using low amounts of manure in bottle grows. I believe some of my best were like 1:4 spawn ratios. Mostly straw but with some manure sprinkles. I did try some straight straw bottles way back I believe but can't recall the results.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #27053393 - 11/23/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Aight, if anyone can think of the motivation for why manure should be used for Pans I'd like to hear, and also why coir and grain is 'insufficient' for these species, has anyone documented a grow done on only grain and coir?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
    #27053412 - 11/23/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Aight, if anyone can think of the motivation for why manure should be used for Pans I'd like to hear, and also why coir and grain is 'insufficient' for these species, has anyone documented a grow done on only grain and coir?



for first part of the question - Blue Helix's grows :shrug:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: gt40]
    #27053450 - 11/23/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Also I need some info about how Pan myc smells compared to cubes and how it feels. Do the colonized grains stick together firmly as with cubes or is Pan myc more flimsy in this manner? To be honest I'm trying to first of all figure out what the hell I'm even growing so far. The spawn jars and the tub I've spawned smell the most unventilated basement you've ever been in :shrug: the rye jars break up suspiciously easily and the myc at times strikes me as some white mold and at times it looks like cube myc I really have no clue here so help is needed lool

Here are my LC's, inoculated 5 days ago from the master LC donor jar (which was used to inoculate the spawn jars) and still even all of the broths in the 5 recieveing jars are crystal clear.



Here's one of the colonized jars that I didn't spawn simply because of the strong stagnant air smell




Here's an identical stale air smelling spawn jar that went Into this shoebox together with coir 5 days ago. 1 part rye 2 parts coir



Please someone tell me that this is Pan myc :begger:
If it turns out to be something else I'm going to shower with my clothes on in fetal position for 5h and cut off all my hair that's how disgusted I'm going to be :rolleyes:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
    #27053475 - 11/23/20 07:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Looks nice. I always think pan cyan myc smells like almonds for some reason.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #27053479 - 11/23/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Pan myc generally smells pungent to me. And it doesn't hold the grains unless you let it overconsolidate.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
    #27053492 - 11/23/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Also I need some info about how Pan myc smells compared to cubes and how it feels. Do the colonized grains stick together firmly as with cubes or is Pan myc more flimsy in this manner? To be honest I'm trying to first of all figure out what the hell I'm even growing so far. The spawn jars and the tub I've spawned smell the most unventilated basement you've ever been in :shrug: the rye jars break up suspiciously easily and the myc at times strikes me as some white mold and at times it looks like cube myc I really have no clue here so help is needed lool

Here are my LC's, inoculated 5 days ago from the master LC donor jar (which was used to inoculate the spawn jars) and still even all of the broths in the 5 recieveing jars are crystal clear.



Here's one of the colonized jars that I didn't spawn simply because of the strong stagnant air smell




Here's an identical stale air smelling spawn jar that went Into this shoebox together with coir 5 days ago. 1 part rye 2 parts coir



Please someone tell me that this is Pan myc :begger:
If it turns out to be something else I'm going to shower with my clothes on in fetal position for 5h and cut off all my hair that's how disgusted I'm going to be :rolleyes:




Your LCs and grain jars look pretty much identical to mine, bear in mind I haven't produced a pan fruit yet so that's not saying much. However, it would be odd if we were before fucking up in exactly the same way!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #27053509 - 11/23/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Pan myc generally smells pungent to me. And it doesn't hold the grains unless you let it overconsolidate.



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Looks nice. I always think pan cyan myc smells like almonds for some reason.



Sooooooo.... You're telling me there's a chance?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
    #27053579 - 11/23/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think so. Your spawn looks great imo.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #27053618 - 11/23/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’ve always thought pans smelled like cucumbers and mexicana/tampanensis smells like melons.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27053620 - 11/23/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Oh no. This is turning into wine tasting speak.

Any earthy undertones with hints of pine and summer fruits? Followed by a subtle oaky musk?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nobler Hino]
    #27053629 - 11/23/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So I've been toying with this idea for a while now but can't seem to find the appropriate pie containers anywhere so I'm posting it to see if any of you have access and my want to tinker.

12" round pp 5 pie containers with tight snap on lids that hold in moisture. They can be stacked nicely in the PC, modify the lid with a hole and SFD for GE.



Now my reasoning is that you can use a manure/grain recipe for a sub that won't need to be broken up and therefore not require any recovery. Inoculate with LC, quick colonization, case, then fruit from container. I'm sure you could fit a good half dozen of these in the pc. Fucking covid has jacked the prices of everything, perhaps one of you already have these in your cupboard.

So long as the lid seal holds well enough to not allow moisture to enter the tray then this should work pretty well. I think that there may be some benefits from not having to break up spawn or substrate.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27053641 - 11/23/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I’ve always thought pans smelled like cucumbers and mexicana/tampanensis smells like melons.




That's kinda accurate actually. But they have a different smell when you damage them and when you just smell the fruits. To me the Pan fruits themselves smell 100% like fresh Serbica.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27053719 - 11/23/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So I've been toying with this idea for a while now but can't seem to find the appropriate pie containers anywhere so I'm posting it to see if any of you have access and my want to tinker.

12" round pp 5 pie containers with tight snap on lids that hold in moisture. They can be stacked nicely in the PC, modify the lid with a hole and SFD for GE.



Now my reasoning is that you can use a manure/grain recipe for a sub that won't need to be broken up and therefore not require any recovery. Inoculate with LC, quick colonization, case, then fruit from container. I'm sure you could fit a good half dozen of these in the pc. Fucking covid has jacked the prices of everything, perhaps one of you already have these in your cupboard.

So long as the lid seal holds well enough to not allow moisture to enter the tray then this should work pretty well. I think that there may be some benefits from not having to break up spawn or substrate.




That's how I do pans and I wave 100% success rate. The only difference is I inoculate with agar wedges.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #27053725 - 11/23/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

And I use twister containers so no need for modified lids. Just unscrew them a bit for GE during colonization.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] * 1
    #27053753 - 11/23/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I have never gotten anywhere near a canopy without using manure usually it results in nothing sometimes a few tiny pins that abort and stay super skinny. I like cutting straw into my sub because I feel it helps keep it aerated and helps prevent the culture from becoming deprived of oxygen something that pans do quite easily. I LC inoculated a few spawn bags of my sub mix a few weeks back and put them in FC about eight days ago so far none of the LC trays have put up any pins, Perhaps my grain supplementation in my bulk was too low as I just kind of eyeballed it since I normally don’t supplement grain with my sub mix. I just made a few bags of BH exact recipe with no straw and his grain ratio so I’m going to see how they turn out here shortly I’ve also re-ran some bags of my substrate in mix just to see if another unseen variable was the reason for their previous failure.
I know BH has had great success with this and he is really excited that I am going to try his method honesty I would love to be able to reducing my grain use it but as of right now for me personally spawning a straw manure for mix is my most consistent highest yielding method. That very well could change in the coming weeks but as of right now that’s where I’m at


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #27053767 - 11/23/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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And I use twister containers so no need for modified lids. Just unscrew them a bit for GE during colonization.




Yes I'm aware of the small twist on containers, they are small substrates though by comparison so only have a small surface area for pins. This is why I want to try large round containers.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #27053782 - 11/23/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If you wanna go big you're better off using rectangular ones. Round will leave a lot of unused space in the FC.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #27053792 - 11/23/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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If you wanna go big you're better off using rectangular ones. Round will leave a lot of unused space in the FC.




My reasoning is that it utilizes the shape of the pc, round trays will fit perfectly therefore making the best of the available room within the pc.


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