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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26950997 - 09/23/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I really want to get something similar set up so I can add another tub and run them both at once with the same fogger. If I kept it on high there would be plenty of fog but it would be a pain in the ass how quick the tank would run dry. Might have to modify it with a 3 liter bottle feeding into the top or something.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #26951052 - 09/23/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Most of my pan cultures do this weird stalling shit on agar

Like most plates would never colonize completely no matter how long i left em, wven when they look great (ofc theres no reasom to colonize a whole plate, but thats not my point). Seen this on virtually every plate (out of a FUCKton), can think of only 3 that didnt do this (whether before or after i took transfers

In bulk, they start out with super aggressive great looking colonization but slow down a lot and take as long to colonize the last 10% as it did to colonize first 90%. Definitely nowhere near as fast as i hear people saying they should be

Always recovers quick in trays though. Maybe i just gotta distribute grainspawn more evenly.. or just use lc

Having decent results,  but feel like i gotta nail this issue down to make the most outta it


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26951060 - 09/23/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Bisporus never colonized the whole plate for me. Cyans, on the other hand, climb the fucking glass.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #26951076 - 09/23/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I’ve got some rainbow eucalyptus myc climbing the plate walls right now.

Have you guys ever noticed weird growth on plates with high nutes? My last batch I accidentally made way stronger than normal and the pans are all growing slow and thick, but not the marshmallow thick stuff.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #26951109 - 09/23/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

niether if u ask me. ive tried monos and sgfc and they both suck for pans. check out the link in my sig it also has links to asuras and jakes write ups as well as mine


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26951141 - 09/23/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I have the same experiences as well c10 your not alone. I also leave my bulk extra long to make absolutely sure it’s fully colonized because uncolonized hpoo and straw is an easy way to grow mold. So I make extra sure it’s done because I’ve had centers take the longest to colonize. Some times I’ll leave it 13-14 days even though it looks good at 8 if I suspect something.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1] * 1
    #26951163 - 09/23/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

One thing I notices over the past 2 weeks with some experiments that agar that has food coloring does not work well for my pan strains. I have Estero, Peace River and Sandoz going on agar.

All the ones with food coloring stall after they grow about 1 to 1.5 cm radius.

The ones without coloring grow faster and don't stall (yet).

I did some research here on the forum and indeed there have been problems reported because food coloring can contain anti-fungal ingredients. I looked at the ingredients of my food coloring and indeed it does contain 2 anti-fungal components !

Maybe with cubes that is no problem because cubes will probably together with cockroaches be the species that survives our sun going supernova some day :smile: It is pretty hard to keep cubes from not growing. But for pans it might be a problem.

Inski, a moderator and TC since ages who knows what he is talking about advises against food coloring for that reason in several threads.

Please note that my methods and findings are by no means scientific or conclusive. All I can say is that I have 40 plates with pan mycelium going and the ones without food coloring do much better. I might well be drawing the wrong conclusions, but that is what I observe. Will do more tests.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26951176 - 09/23/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Adas said:
Bisporus never colonized the whole plate for me. Cyans, on the other hand, climb the fucking glass.




Haha weird, only ones ive had colonize whole plates is pan bisp and a couple of cultures from asuras jams. 99% dont tho



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I have the same experiences as well c10 your not alone. I also leave my bulk extra long to make absolutely sure it’s fully colonized because uncolonized hpoo and straw is an easy way to grow mold. So I make extra sure it’s done because I’ve had centers take the longest to colonize. Some times I’ll leave it 13-14 days even though it looks good at 8 if I suspect something.




You mean colonize the bag right, not recover in the tray?

Do they ever get squishy and start pooling metabolites?

Ive got 3 clone bags goin that started out lookin amazing. Hit about 90% in 8 days, and now 20 days in im still not satisfied that some spots are fully colonized.  Shook one, mixed it up, recovered quick but myc got thick (not whispy or fuzzy)


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: xspak]
    #26951181 - 09/23/20 02:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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One thing I notices over the past 2 weeks with some experiments that agar that has food coloring does not work well for my pan strains. I have Estero, Peace River and Sandoz going on agar.

All the ones with food coloring stall after they grow about 1 to 1.5 cm radius.

The ones without coloring grow faster and don't stall (yet).

I did some research here on the forum and indeed there have been problems reported because food coloring can contain anti-fungal ingredients. I looked at the ingredients of my food coloring and indeed it does contain 2 anti-fungal components !

Maybe with cubes that is no problem because cubes will probably together with cockroaches be the species that survives our sun going supernova some day :smile: It is pretty hard to keep cubes from not growing. But for pans it might be a problem.

Inski, a moderator and TC since ages who knows what he is talking about advises against food coloring for that reason in several threads.

Please note that my methods and findings are by no means scientific or conclusive. All I can say is that I have 40 plates with pan mycelium going and the ones without food coloring do much better. I might well be drawing the wrong conclusions, but that is what I observe. Will do more tests.




This is very interesting,  anyone else notice the same? The thought had occurred to me as well, but i like my pretty agar colors :frown:

Will try that. Still doesnt explain same behavior on bulk tho :/


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26951223 - 09/23/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yes c10 - doesn't explain the bulk problems you describe. There sure are many things that influence the growth.

Things that seem to work for some people work not all all for others. Like there is the shroomery member Angam from Russia who grows kickass trays with MS directly to sterilized bulk - no agar, no grains - just spores to bulk. Others will say that never works, but it does for him.

I guess it has much to do with individual circumstances.

But together we learn and figure it all out some day. Right now I am trying to follow jcm's procedure which seems to be the one most suited to my circumstances (small space, need something that I can leave alone all day - can't be around to mist and fan manually etc.). Thanks jcm !

Here is a thread where Inski talks some about the food coloring (bottom of page).
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22752144

I had the same ingredients in my coloring and because it was a rather weak coloring I used quite a bit of it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: xspak]
    #26951237 - 09/23/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Cool thanks :smile:

Yeah JCMs FC and Asuras bag tek are what finally got me to the land of (marginal) pan successful

Im about to build my 3rd jcm chamber

Fruiting some Caerulescens in one now :smile:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26951620 - 09/23/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There are so many reasons pans are so awesome to grow still harvesting the last of the second flush and already a third flush is coming up. Gotta love it.

C10 no if there ever squishy like real squishy that’s not good. Sometimes I don’t do the colonizing in a bag sometimes just a tray although lately I’ve been having pasteurization issues like people often do with manure based subs so I have been using bags but when I use bags then do the recovery in a tray I don’t ever have that problem. Only when using only trays for colonization does it tend to take longer. Also depends heavily on the culture used but lately I’ve been doing a lot of multi cultures and not having those problems


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26951650 - 09/23/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah squishy no good

But ive seen a few pan bags and tons of jars go squishy after sitting too long

I dont mean like full on squishy just squishier than it started


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26951742 - 09/23/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Like slightly squishy or like wet sponge squishy. Mine are ever so slightly squishy when colonized. I happen to have a rain euc bulk bag Just about done and now you got squishing it. I’ve had some bags like that when I think there was too much water in the sub to definitely with or maybe just the right amount then I added LC and they had trouble fully colonizing it then even at 100% were strangely squishy so I put them outside and turns out they weren’t contamed just.. squishy. Too much water most likely coupled with LC. Gotta account for the LC when making bulk bags


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26951825 - 09/23/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just a bit. And sometimes yellow

Jars will shrink to 60% of their previous size and pool yellow (about 2 months after i shoulda used em, can only fruit 2 at a time so i waste a lot)

Of bags like this ive used, all have fruited fine, but not great


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26952172 - 09/24/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

lol hell ya c10 ul have more chambers than i do lol i have 2 thats all i have room for. when i move tho il have plenty of space so hopefully in another year or so il b anle to get more going.

as for things on my end my new rdu and phv grains are 100% at the 6 day mark so im hoping il have time to spawn them tonight after work but if not it will be tom for sure. so i imagine i should have some trays in the fcs in the next 7-10 days and i cant wait. ive felt like a lost soul with nothing to do these last 2 weeks. but i should be back up and fruiting very soon and i hope i get some decent clones


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26952970 - 09/24/20 03:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hi all, update on the clone grow.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #26953490 - 09/24/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)


an old plate lol


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    #26953687 - 09/24/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thats badass!

Ive only had one pan plate pin, and only barely

How old is it?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #26953714 - 09/25/20 12:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's likely about 5 months buys it's been out of the fridge for about a month


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