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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ralph larun]
    #23245574 - 05/19/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I just started Sandose on agar, it germinated a couple days ago- Poo subs are the standard but I may compare a vermicompost based sub to a horse or cow sub. But thats at least 1month away.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23245625 - 05/19/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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why does shroomery support that?




it's the other way around, those companies supports the shroomery..

if the bags can be spawned to in open air they do not contain sterilized manure.
But no way to know what's really up with pre-made stuff, another great reason to DYI.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23245641 - 05/19/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I think it would be better if you inject those bags with clean LC, rather than opening it up and exposing it to contaminants which would easily take over since it's sterilized.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23245678 - 05/19/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

there are no grains in the bag, only manure.. otherwise it'd be a complete fail to spawn to in open air!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23245753 - 05/19/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I know that's why i'm suggesting to inoculate the LC into the manure, i've seen Stonesun do it and it worked fine with him


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23245766 - 05/19/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

what species was he growing? I dont know any species that doesnt require grains to grow properly.. got a link?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23245810 - 05/19/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Here you go

And it doesn't matter what species they are, all Pans love manure, that's how they grow in the wild.

But you need to make sure your LC is clean.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23245843 - 05/19/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I grew some tamps by sterilizing manure in a quart size pp5 and innoculating it with LC in my SAB, worked fine.

I just put about 2" in the bottom and threw it in my sterilizer. Cased when colonized and fruited, though I didn't give it perfect conditions so it only made stones no fruits.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23245955 - 05/19/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Here you go

And it doesn't matter what species they are, all Pans love manure, that's how they grow in the wild.

But you need to make sure your LC is clean.




damn, that's impressive really. But I doubt those results are something anyone could see from simply noc'ing a lb bag of manure with lc.

pans are grass lovers afaik, that's why they love the straw and manure, the manure we use is basically broken down grass.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23246051 - 05/19/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Well actually they can perform well on anything, but you get better results on manure. You got it twisted :omgz:

Also i think your your talking about mexicana species, they love grass.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23246059 - 05/19/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

no I'm talking about pans, they love manure from grass eating animals, and they love straw.
they grow just fine on coir which has a lot of cellulose too.

what I'm trying to say is they do better when spawning with grains instead of noc'ing manure with lc :thumbup:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23246071 - 05/19/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I don't see why LC directly to manure wouldn't work, it is a live culture after all. I wouldn't bet on it with spores but LC grows on anything with even a minute nute content.

I too wouldn't spawn it in open air though, just not worth the risk. Even if it happened to work for me before, just not worth risking it again.

I get why people resort to buying manure also, I can find some for free but the trouble and distance I have to go through almost makes it not worth the  shopping bag of manure I'm able to find. If I manage to find a bag of manure for a decent price locally, I have no problem buying it. Multitudes better than paying 5.50euro per brick of coir that's for sure.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23246079 - 05/19/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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no I'm talking about pans, they love manure from grass eating animals, and they love straw.
they grow just fine on coir which has a lot of cellulose too.

what I'm trying to say is they do better when spawning with grains instead of noc'ing manure with lc :thumbup:



Oh my bad hehe, i get what you mean now.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23246083 - 05/19/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't see why LC directly to manure wouldn't work, it is a live culture after all. I wouldn't bet on it with spores but LC grows on anything with even a minute nute content.




not saying it "wouldn't work" I'm saying there's a good reason why we use grain spawn :tongue2:

you're in a special situation supa, but most other places on earth have horses or other herbivores, both in cities and outside it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23246248 - 05/19/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't see why LC directly to manure wouldn't work, it is a live culture after all. I wouldn't bet on it with spores but LC grows on anything with even a minute nute content.




not saying it "wouldn't work" I'm saying there's a good reason why we use grain spawn :tongue2:

you're in a special situation supa, but most other places on earth have horses or other herbivores, both in cities and outside it.





Plenty of horses here but the manure is usually mixed in wood shaving bedding soaked in horse piss. This problem isn't solely for people living is small countries though, I read countless posts of people saying how hard it is for them to aquire manure. Then there are those who probably don't even have to go out of their house for it, it's literally just across the street. Everyone has his own luck, I totally understand why someone would want buy manure over going to all the trouble to source a free one.

Of course, for people who barely had to do an effort to find it, buying it looks ridiculous. By all means my country is the tiniest speck on the map, plenty of people would have to travel twice the distance I do to get theirs. I still go hunt for manure but I try not to use it too much. ATM I am trying to get straw to work. That would be incredibly awesome because straw is easily bought here and cheap as fuck. I am saving my manure for pans so if my straw keeps growing mold, I will at least have some manure to spawn to.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23246363 - 05/19/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

It's ok if it has wood shavings, makes it more fluffy IMO :tongue2:

And if it has piss just put it outside in the sun, it'll be fine after 3 weeks or so, that's what i do to mine

I love the manure i get, it's from pure Arabian horses :awesomenod:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Teemo 6T3]
    #23246384 - 05/19/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Wood shaving are bad because you don't know the type of wood you have in there. There are trees with anti-fungal properties which will weaken your mycelium.

Living in an apartment makes drying poo impossible. As I said, for folks with easy access to poo, the difficulties some people come across are silly because they have what others don't.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23246474 - 05/19/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I read countless posts of people saying how hard it is for them to aquire manure. Then there are those who probably don't even have to go out of their house for it, it's literally just across the street.




I live in a city and used to think there were no horses or manure anywhere near here,then vander made me facepalm myself when he with a simple google search or 3 found a cpl stables and a horse racing track just a 10min ride away.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23246518 - 05/19/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Wood shaving are bad because you don't know the type of wood you have in there. There are trees with anti-fungal properties which will weaken your mycelium.



Oh yes forgot about that


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spacechildo]
    #23246559 - 05/19/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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I read countless posts of people saying how hard it is for them to aquire manure. Then there are those who probably don't even have to go out of their house for it, it's literally just across the street.




I live in a city and used to think there were no horses or manure anywhere near here,then vander made me facepalm myself when he with a simple google search or 3 found a cpl stables and a horse racing track just a 10min ride away.




I'm actually the same. I have a racehorse track about 15 mins walk from my house and the folks who use it keep their horses in "garage-stables" just right across the street from it. As I said though, fresh poo in wood shavings soaked in horse piss is not what you want. Not everyone can dry it and definitely not everyone has a close source of field aged manure. I have about a 45-1hr drive with my motorcycle for me to get to the place where I can find sun-dried manure. Just sayin', I ain't the only one that has to work for it and I can see why someone would want to buy it instead. Not everyone is willing to waste a couple of hours going to and fro his poo source. I just happen to love riding the fuck out of my bike, still not something I do constantly though. Just when real life shit allows.

Now if one happened to know what type of wood is in the shavings and has a good enough place to dry the manure, stable poo is perfect. I wish I could just dry stable poo and use, there are about 5 people who keep horses in garages less than a couple of minutes walk from my house.

It's all about luck and where you happen to live.


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