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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Quagmire75]
#26679726 - 05/18/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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@c10 , when you spawned your bags with grain did you use a sab or flow hood? Nevermind... Now that I looked at your signature, flow hood would be the answer lol.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Quagmire75]
#26680414 - 05/19/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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can anyone recommend a good martha fc tek?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptonite]
#26681531 - 05/19/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol the search engine man it works wonders
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#26681815 - 05/19/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello everyone, would like some advice (and thanks for this thread).
Pan cyan Texas print to agar. Four transfers and got clean wedges to drop in some verm/coir/cow manure/ gypsum mixture; brought to FC. These jars are about 11 days old. What is that white mass? Is it trich? Hard to tell. These things stone at all?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptonite]
#26682260 - 05/20/20 12:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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tryptonite said: can anyone recommend a good martha fc tek?
For Pans? Here's a little reading material. This one isn't specific to the GH but it does discuss it. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25925194 Same situation as last one. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25987049 And here's a quote from Mary Fairchild dealing with a GH setup.
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mary fairchild said: Hi Y'all, I just responded to a PM request for some more information on my fruiting chamber setup. I really haven't made any changes to it for quite a while mostly because its been working ok for me. I thought i'd put this out there anyway- its a fairly low tek GH/Martha setup for anyone to consider if they are looking to get a Pan optimized fruiting chamber up quickly. Asura and Jake also have well dialed in FC's. For Pans the 3 factors I’m trying to manipulate are TEMPERATURE, HUMIDITY and AIR EXCHANGE/AIR MOVEMENT.

HUMIDITY- On the bottom tier left side is a “wicking” humidifier that serves two purposes- to bring fresh air into the GH (I leave the front opening of the GH partly unzipped to allow outside air to be pulled in by the wicking humidifier) and to humidify that air as much as I can- (the ambient humidity in my grow room is typically ~30 to ~65% relative humidity). The wicking humidifier alone can bring the humidity in the GH to between 80 to 90%. I’ve had best luck with high humidities for fruiting stage Pans so to bring humidity higher an ultrasonic humidifier is used- bottom right side of the GH. I split fruiting into two parts: before first pins appear and after pins appear. Before first pins (between casing and the first pins) I like the humidity to be very high- 97-98%. Around 24 hours after the first pins appear, humidity is dropped- to ~94 to 96%. As you can see the ultrasonic is raised up on a bin to bring that humidified air closer to the two upper shelves. You can of course assist the whole system by having some heated water in that bin.
AIR MOVEMENT/EXCHANGE- Air enters at the bottom of the GH thru the partially unzipped front, is sucked in to the wicking humidifier and exits from a partially unzipped flap at the top of the GH canopy in the back. On the middle shelf there is an accessory fan that pushes the humidified air up to the top tier. Since the ultrasonic is housed at the bottom of the GH that accessory fan is NEEDED to pull that mist from the ultrasonic to the upper tiers. When I put my hand above the trays on the top shelf I like to be able to feel a slight breeze, those hanging ties on the front of the canopy at the top should flutter a bit.
TEMPERATURE- Pans, especially cyanescens, like it hot 79F-84F (26 to ~30c). I really dont know the top limit for temperature because I never had it hotter than 85F. Under my conditions I always had to heat the closet that the GH was in from an ambient of ~70- 73F. Looks like you are in a different temperature and humidity zone than me. My climate is almost desert. This may not be relevant to you but the less expensive way to heat a small space like a closet is with a couple of seedling heat mats rather than a space heater (I don't put heat mats in the GH, but rather in the closet that the GH is in).
CONTROLLERS- Temperature & humidity are under the control of Willhi or Inkbird controllers. Those wires hanging down from the top are the sensors. The humidity controller only controls the ultrasonic, the wicking humidifier is always on.
In a way this fruiting chamber is a small evaporative cooler. As the water laden air (mist) from the ultrasonic is pushed up to the upper tiers where the air is drier that water evaporates and causes the temperature to drop so those upper tiers are a zone of evaporation. I dont really want the temperature to drop but it proves there is plenty of evaporation in an already high humidity environment- these guys seem to like it. Its one of the simpler GH setups, works great for four 3qt. size trays- two on the top tier and two on the mid level; i’m still using it because its worked for me & im maybe too lazy to make changes.
I know I left some stuff out, if you have other Q’s- lighting, equipment etc. feel free to ask.
Best Wishes! mf
I set mine up a little different I have a coolmist humidifier on the bottom shelf with the intake sucking air from outside the greenhouse(like frankhorrigans mini Martha Tek) and a warm mist humidifier that comes on when temps drop. The warm mist works to regulate temps while the coolmist helps with fae. Both are ran on a inkbird controller. Then I have USB fans on the middle shelves pointing forward and set to come on randomly with a timer. It's worth mentioning I haven't used it to fruit pans just yet and I'm still setting it up. Hope this helps bud.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#26682504 - 05/20/20 03:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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c10, I think you will be fine. I mean that dust was sterilized along with everything else, right?
Yeah, im just nervous about exposing it to air when i tray it up since it aint fully colonized. Hopefully the pan myc will get to it before anything else does
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26682799 - 05/20/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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well c10 if its a shit ton of dust like lil clumps you could just move the bag around and try to let it just fall on top of the majority and that shit will just get eatin up fast as hell but if its just like dusty residue type shit i wouldnt even worry about it. that myc has a solid foothold by the time you lay to trays so i highly doubt that lil bit of uncolonized dust would even matter the least bit. if anything itl just colonize in the trays as it recovers
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#26683892 - 05/20/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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well just pulled my substrate bags out of the freezer. soon as these bitches are thawed out and r ready to use in about 3 days i can spawn the bamas n peace river i cant wait to get some shit fruiting
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#26683950 - 05/20/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This tray has been in 5-6 days now just looking for some feedback I thought at first hyphae knots but now it looks like it’s just forming blobs
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i think its bacterial or extremely starving for air but iv had cubes do that before and it was always bacterial. but i have never seen a pan tray like that.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#26684106 - 05/20/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I’ve had that contam before so has asura
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26684134 - 05/20/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Hello everyone, would like some advice (and thanks for this thread).
Pan cyan Texas print to agar. Four transfers and got clean wedges to drop in some verm/coir/cow manure/ gypsum mixture; brought to FC. These jars are about 11 days old. What is that white mass? Is it trich? Hard to tell. These things stone at all?

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Celestialexplorer1 said: This tray has been in 5-6 days now just looking for some feedback I thought at first hyphae knots but now it looks like it’s just forming blobs

im excited to see how those trays play out they look good.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: panne cyanne] 1
#26684343 - 05/20/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It’s weird how close to bacterial cube myc that looks.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#26684344 - 05/20/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I seriously thought the same thing but it was 100% pan jam
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ya that shit happens man. just dont let it discourage ya. i think that next time when u use agar u will have way better results. 😃😃
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Celestialexplorer1 said: This tray has been in 5-6 days now just looking for some feedback I thought at first hyphae knots but now it looks like it’s just forming blobs

got something alike few years ago.


I got a few flushes with that then it were eaten up by trich. I don't claim that there is a connection between.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: gt40]
#26684885 - 05/21/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just put some Pan Jamaica and Pan Tropicalis and Pan Cambodginiensis to agar.
Does anyone have a preference or any tips in differences cultivating them, potency. All the same?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#26685452 - 05/21/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I’ll be putting cambo to agar today but jams and tropicalis are very much alike in strength and action. Although I hear that cambo is a lot easier so I hope. I think there all pretty much the same in potency and cultivation.
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This whole pan experience has got me thinking about tearing down everything and rebuilding from scratch. I am doing a cube grow just to get some confidence and dignity back. The pan culture I have going on T7 is going so fast though I can’t wait to put it on grain. I’ll take some pics tonight
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