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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26628993 - 04/26/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lol it was me, I was helping him do his aa+ grow that just finished and mentioned my pans. he got monsters off the same print I used they were sick.  One of these days I’ll finally get a massive cube.

My pans just died. The same white mold as before was just starting so I picked all the half grown fruits. 14g which should dry to only .7 based on the last round.

I’m guessing my first grow the shrooms were thicker since I kept ruining the conditions and they took a long time to finish. Those dried out to only like 85% water not 95% like my healthy ones.


LordK I’ve had an easy run getting into pans and only done two little grows, but so far it seems like a fogger on a timer is what it’s all about. That’s really the only thing I did different from cubes.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #26629334 - 04/26/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey all,
So I have some panaeolus jar cooking. I have trop, hawaiian, just completed a Jamaican grow and then there is the Aussie var. so I know the look of the trop, Hawaiian and panjam. But either this Aussie strain has a totally different look or I got a really bad syringe. Here are the jars 

Now at first glance these look totally uncolonized, no growth at all right. Well look closely. In bad lighting it is nearly invisible. Now either this is cobweb or some other kind of mold, or Aussie just has some seriously thin wisp structure. And either way I wondering if someone here might have had this same experience.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26629341 - 04/26/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I have no idea what it should look like, but that looks a whole lot like pin mold.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #26629583 - 04/26/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

when it comes to pans you really should be using agar man. spore to grains is risky and not a good idea anyway but its an even worse idea when it comes to pans. you most def should start over and obtain a good looking culture on agar and put agar to grains. and you said you have panaeolus jars cooking?? im gnna assume you mean colonizing. but all pan myc has basicly the same look to it. of coarse genetics will play a small role but you should always look for the same type of myc. for a reference heres what to look for.

pan cyan on agar



pan cyan on grain



then sometimes when i cant get germination on agar. i will make small baby food sized jars of grain and use that. then once i have germination il pluck individual grains and put them to individual agar plates. so here is some pan germination on grain.



then this is why u want to use agar. pans love to overlay this shit will not fruit. it will just sit there and eat forever.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26629699 - 04/26/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Should I treat Pan Trop Aus, the same way as I would treat my Pan Cyan Estero ?

Sorry if the answer is obvious still a noob over here!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DrkNchldLike]
    #26629719 - 04/26/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Can anyone let me know what it was like to bioassay one or both of those strain/species?

Kinda mostly just wondering if there is noticeable difference between the two, I’m guessing there is from what people are saying it’s noticeable even more so than cubes from strain to strain let alone species/ subspecies,. Oh and by the way I believe they are both Jake’s genetics but the Estero maybe not got it from Asura.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DrkNchldLike]
    #26629790 - 04/26/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i treat them all the same. to me pan cyan is pan cyan. no matter where they come from or what name is on the syringe/print. same with pan cambo. same with pan trop. same with pan bisp. but they are all basicly the same and vary mostly only microscopically. the fruits of each may vary or may have different looks/traits/behaviors or tend to produce certain phenotypes. but from what i have experienced with them so far and as limited as that experience may be. i have noticed that as far as the mycelium goes i look for exactly the same things when selecting growth to be used. again i have only been working exclusively with pans for the last 6-7 months. so if i am wrong im sure jake or asura will gladly correct me😃


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #26629818 - 04/26/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah maybe but see I made probably 12 jars with the wbs and I knocked up all at the same time with a couple different syringes and the Aussie is the only one that looks like this all others are healthy. Also I did find one topic on here which someone had had the same look with the same strain from the same vendor and everyone had told him it was mold but I’m sceptical only because why would we both have the same mold unless it’s the vendors syringes.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26629868 - 04/26/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

well they are your idea of healthy the pics are not good enough forr me to tell for certain. but so far  to me everyone of those jars u showed looks very suspect. plus you really wont know how they will end up at the end. as stated spores to grains is even less suggested with pans than it is with cubes. but without seeing exactly the kind of growth you are going to have by using agar to select certain types of growth. there is no telling what may or may not pop up in the jar during colonization. then when it comes time to go to bulk then casing you may just end up with a pile of marshmellow myc that wont fruit and will overlay and eat everything it can.  now that can still happen with using agar and selecting good growth but the chances are reduced drastically compared to using spores to grains.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26629894 - 04/26/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yes when I said cooking I meant colonizing just a slang I kinda use. But yes also I hear you about a pan is a pan but I have pan jam, pan tropicalis, pan hawaiian and pan Aussie colonizing right now and I can definently say they all do have different looks that are “generally the same” but still different. But whatever is in my Aussie jars is very different. And I absolutely would have done agar to grain except I don’t have prints I have syringes, this is my first time growing them and I’ve had bad experiences with spore syringe to agar.

Panaeolus tropicalis
More thin and wispy


Panaeolus cyan Hawaiian
A little thicker but still wispy in nature


Pan Jamaican
Much thicker like dense cotton
https://files.shroomery.org/files/14-20/991126480-DSC_1014.jpg
I didn’t take any pics of my Jamaican colonizing but here.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Celestialexplorer1]
    #26629958 - 04/26/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah you def need agar for pans, I hate making pan ss’s. Feels like such a waste


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26630688 - 04/26/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

i agree and prints are so much easier to work with


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    #26631080 - 04/26/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Pan nec divinos


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26631679 - 04/27/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

those r looking tasty😃😃😃


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26632463 - 04/27/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So I was bored and looking up pics of pans and came across this, which unless I’m confused about species and names would mean the ones I’ve got are pan cyan and not cambo.



Definitely have the orange pins instead of olive.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #26632491 - 04/27/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

The only true way to tell is sequencing if you put it under a microscope you may be able to get a good idea but Cambo isn’t as a parent as Bisp or trop


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #26632492 - 04/27/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

u got those from my clones ak. we are thinking they may be pan cambo jamaica instead of pan cyan jamaica. waiting on jake to get all the pcr work done and back. i also do have a def pan cyan jam that came from asura which i think he may have gotten from MF i just havnt had a good producing culture of that 1 yet but soon as i do il do a full grow of them.


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    #26632493 - 04/27/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:awenuhuh: this is so interesting but so far outta my league


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26632615 - 04/27/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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The only true way to tell is sequencing if you put it under a microscope you may be able to get a good idea but Cambo isn’t as a parent as Bisp or trop




I'm looking forward to trying some cambo. I have a bag growing out now and 4 trays worth of spawn finishing
up. This is Sandose I got from CBK way back in the beginning of the year. Stuff seems to be really aggressive
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26632643 - 04/27/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

sweet asura cant wait to see them😃😃

but  im hoping for pins on the aussies soon😃 today is day 3 in the fcs so if all goes well i should have pins at the latest another 6 days. i can def tell tho that these are not as aggressive as my jams are as far as colonizing through the casing goes.


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