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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26447849 - 01/23/20 09:22 AM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#26448127 - 01/23/20 12:29 PM (4 years, 7 days ago) |
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Oh wait no I’m sorry that’s right these are the pan cyan senguio Alan collected but I’m begging to think they may actually be a pan subspecies as their coloration much more resembles trop and bisp. Always a very unique phenotype some stipes even have a purple-ish hue
 I do have some bisp coming up but they are still pins mostly
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26448415 - 01/23/20 03:07 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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And here we go...
Pan Cyan Jamaican, new try in SGFC:



Was really hard work, getting those trays buried in that wet, sticky Perlite without getting the Perlite on the casing and all over the room.
Any recommendations on how I could judge the water content so that I know when to mist? Is there any rule of thumb or do you guys just do it by "gut and experience"?
As the casing is not colonized by myc there is no pooling of water on the surface that could help. Problem is, most will use a fogger and a martha, so it will be hard to transfer the common instructions to my SGFC setup.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
#26448549 - 01/23/20 04:29 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Prietenul said: And here we go...
Pan Cyan Jamaican, new try in SGFC:
Was really hard work, getting those trays buried in that wet, sticky Perlite without getting the Perlite on the casing and all over the room.
Any recommendations on how I could judge the water content so that I know when to mist? Is there any rule of thumb or do you guys just do it by "gut and experience"?
As the casing is not colonized by myc there is no pooling of water on the surface that could help. Problem is, most will use a fogger and a martha, so it will be hard to transfer the common instructions to my SGFC setup.
Best of luck with this. I attempted a non martha/greenhouse fruiting chamber grow not even knowing what the fuck a martha was, and everything was going surprisingly well until the actual fruiting stage. I posted some pics a while back. Got a handful of not so happy looking Pans, and then the rest of the tub stalled. Not enough to bother keeping. Bummer city.
They are not "difficult" to grow, but they are much more tedious thatn the usual cubes. I am on the fence right now if I want to do another attempt of Pans, or just work with what I've got and do another strain of cubes. It's a lot of toiling trying to do it the way you are doing it, and it sucks to have it fail after putting in all that effort.
If there was a more hands off, less automated, not greenhouse based way of doing Pans, I'd like to think there'd be more obvious discussion and advice on such a grow. But hey, not a lot of folks even give Pans a try so maybe that data simply isn't out there yet for what can be done.
Good luck!
Edit: also worth mentioning I was attempting to do mine in as minimal and discrete of a setup as I possibly could, which looks to be the opposite of what you have constructed lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spelunking] 1
#26448572 - 01/23/20 04:44 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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For a low-tech pan grows I would look at macmerdin’s cake tek
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spelunking]
#26448578 - 01/23/20 04:47 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Best of luck with this. I attempted a non martha/greenhouse fruiting chamber grow not even knowing what the fuck a martha was, and everything was going surprisingly well until the actual fruiting stage. I posted some pics a while back. Got a handful of not so happy looking Pans, and then the rest of the tub stalled. Not enough to bother keeping. Bummer city.
They are not "difficult" to grow, but they are much more tedious thatn the usual cubes. I am on the fence right now if I want to do another attempt of Pans, or just work with what I've got and do another strain of cubes. It's a lot of toiling trying to do it the way you are doing it, and it sucks to have it fail after putting in all that effort.
Thanks man. Yeah, the fruiting stage is the big problem. Thing is, I never had a Pan trip but heard so much good stuff about it... "You'll never go back to cubes if you had a Pan trip"... and such stuff. So I'm desperately trying to get some. This is not my first attempt and I failed miserably up till now. But hope dies last
Was your "handful of not so happy looking Pans" worth one or two good trips? Could you clone one of them to try another batch?
I hear you. It's demotivating to see the tubs go to the garbage. I also had some great success with Cubes. But still, I'm not gonna rest until I have some Pans here.
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If there was a more hands off, less automated, not greenhouse based way of doing Pans, I'd like to think there'd be more obvious discussion and advice on such a grow. But hey, not a lot of folks even give Pans a try so maybe that data simply isn't out there yet for what can be done.
Good luck!
Edit: also worth mentioning I was attempting to do mine in as minimal and discrete of a setup as I possibly could, which looks to be the opposite of what you have constructed lol
I have a full bathroom dedicated to the Pans. Have already two LCs growing for the next tries. Good thing is, with every try it gets better, because I accumulate experience and don't do the same stupid mistakes again. (Like casing to early, with the wrong casing material etc.)
Thanks again for your friendly input. Hopefully I can come back with some nice pictures in the next few days.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26448584 - 01/23/20 04:49 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: For a low-tech pan grows I would look at macmerdin’s cake tek
Yeah, I saw that somewhere. I think it was Asura who posted a link in his TEK-thread... Need to look that up again.
Still there is some difference, I guess, bc. cakes are not trays. I have the feeling, that e.g. you can judge moisture content better with cakes than trays...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
#26448595 - 01/23/20 04:58 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Exactly, ime to optimize bulk FC you want to evaporate enough water each day that if you were to try and hand water you would need to be able to do it every few hours. That’s not to say you won’t get some growth but it would take round the clock hand care to hit same evap&rehydrate I can achieve with the system
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26448605 - 01/23/20 05:03 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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What do you suggest as a good time frame for that? Every 2 hours or every hour? How much would you mist then? As I have to do it with a syringe, how much would you put on them? 60ml? 120? Any suggestion is welcome.
I have the time to do it even every 30mins if needed, as I work from home.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
#26448615 - 01/23/20 05:06 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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I mean it would really be a adjust by the looks type thing but prolly every hour at least ... my system runs every 10-15 min (depending on how I have it dialed)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
#26448619 - 01/23/20 05:10 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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This was my first mono and my first time spawning pans. I def could have done things better and will be changing some things this time but if you can generate clean spawn you can grow pans.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26448623 - 01/23/20 05:13 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: I mean it would really be a adjust by the looks type thing but prolly every hour at least ... my system runs every 10-15 min (depending on how I have it dialed)
I guess 3-4 pumps from the spray bottle every 30mins should be enough. (Have a very fine mister). Problem is, I have to sleep sometimes. So they will have some hours without misting.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spiritlands]
#26448626 - 01/23/20 05:14 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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This was my first mono and my first time spawning pans. I def could have done things better and will be changing some things this time but if you can generate clean spawn you can grow pans.
Wow really nice! But you have used some kind of humidifier or greenhouse or so. Right?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
#26448634 - 01/23/20 05:19 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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I mean so long as you have that evaporation kicking however once your pins appear that won’t work if you spray those pens you will kill them u are going to have to hand water around to each one with a syringe or a dropper. once they come up.
When I’m speaking on these conditions im speaking on optimal conditions. you absolutely will get some fruits just running a traditional mono however you will see the difference in the shape they will be super tall and skinny often unable to support their own way and a much more sparsely spread out pin set. Your yield will be much more dependent upon your genetics now you might find some awesome ones and get a decent yield however a lot of the time weaker genetics that would have done OK in optimal conditions will only kick you up a few fruits at best. I’ve seen lots of people run attempts and their Spohn looks fine the whole way through great even it’s the FC that trip people up.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26448646 - 01/23/20 05:25 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Yeah, makes sense. Well, I guess I'll just see what happens. Keep you guys in the loop
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
#26448661 - 01/23/20 05:32 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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This was my first mono and my first time spawning pans. I def could have done things better and will be changing some things this time but if you can generate clean spawn you can grow pans.
Wow really nice! But you have used some kind of humidifier or greenhouse or so. Right?
I run a Martha inside of a gh full of monos. Waiting on my first monos of cubes to fruit right now. The Rh in the gh is 27-49% due to evaporation from the Martha. Temps were 70-77. The mono did better than the Martha but I didn't do the trays in the Martha correctly and I had some power outage issues. These were the trays in the Martha↓


 It can be done without a Martha tho, I practically had no idea what I was doing.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spiritlands]
#26448682 - 01/23/20 05:42 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Spirit, The reason your trays in the Martha did not do well is because of how high the sides of the trays are. air would get trapped above your casing and reduce the amount of fresh air and evaporation taking place on the surface
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26448691 - 01/23/20 05:44 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Well maybe not the only reason you said you had power outages and such. but running things in the exact same conditions in Highwall tubs have resulted in extreme decreases in yield. your trays size/shape definitely makes a big difference in a Martha
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26448752 - 01/23/20 06:12 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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Thank you, I've notice those short trays you use and I'm looking for some. Do you think if I cut a couple 1in holes at sub level on the long sides that these would work? I bought a bunch of them but they're only a dollar I can use them for something else. I have two RDU, an atl7 and a pan jam ready to case using these same trays.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spiritlands]
#26448763 - 01/23/20 06:17 PM (4 years, 6 days ago) |
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No you’ll still have air trapped it’s best to only have the edge of the tray come a half inch above the surface of your casing the trays are use They have at Home Depot also online
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