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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26440552 - 01/18/20 05:20 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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fuuuuuuck me !!!!!!! i was doin some watering by syringe and seen a lil patch of trich starting it hadnt turned green yet but i am 100% positive thats what it was. i have not had that shit happen b4 1st flush in a very very long time. fuckin shit must have been hiding in my spawn. and i know my culture was clean. i sure hope the last batch of grains i did aint fucked some how 😪 so i harvested and cut a nice size chunk out of the sub all around it and just filled it with verm. maybe il get lucky and itl hold out for another flush wel c i guess🤷🏼 just pisses me off cuz this grow was supposed to go good and it has been anything but🤬





I recommend using polyacrylate to treat trichaderma.  Its the magic diaper crystals that are hyper-absorbent.  Sprinkle it on and around the trich and it will essentially encase it in a polymer prison.  You can at least slow it down enough to get through a flush.  Its worked for me in the past.  If the contam is too far along then it will eventually win but if you catch it in time the polyacrylate can stop it in its tracks.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: LeftSideDriver]
    #26440558 - 01/18/20 05:24 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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fuuuuuuck me !!!!!!! i was doin some watering by syringe and seen a lil patch of trich starting it hadnt turned green yet but i am 100% positive thats what it was. i have not had that shit happen b4 1st flush in a very very long time. fuckin shit must have been hiding in my spawn. and i know my culture was clean. i sure hope the last batch of grains i did aint fucked some how 😪 so i harvested and cut a nice size chunk out of the sub all around it and just filled it with verm. maybe il get lucky and itl hold out for another flush wel c i guess🤷🏼 just pisses me off cuz this grow was supposed to go good and it has been anything but🤬





I recommend using polyacrylate to treat trichaderma.  Its the magic diaper crystals that are hyper-absorbent.  Sprinkle it on and around the trich and it will essentially encase it in a polymer prison.  You can at least slow it down enough to get through a flush.  Its worked for me in the past.  If the contam is too far along then it will eventually win but if you catch it in time the polyacrylate can stop it in its tracks.




As far as I have understood, the green color comes from trich sporulating. If that's the case, it means, that the trich has already colonized the substrate under the hood. So even if you "enclose it in a polymer prison", it might have spread already (invisibly). Right?

I wonder, what would happen, if I have fruits from trich-ed substrate and just dried and consumed them. Would the trip be bad (i.e. stomach pain) or any other negative effect? Shouldn't be lethal or anything, right


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
    #26440563 - 01/18/20 05:28 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Correct about the sporulation. Once you visibly see the trich it's already balls deep in the sub.

Incorrect about trich fruits. They are fine. You can always boil fruits in a tea if you are concerned.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: LeftSideDriver]
    #26440564 - 01/18/20 05:29 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

ive heard that b4 and im not sure id do that. if its before first flush its cuz it was most likely due to bad spawn. and when thats the case its already too late and thru the whole substrate on the inside already.  so  im thinkin i had a bad jar cuz all the other trays i spawned at the same time seem to be fine so im just gnna chalk it up to a bad jar rite now and count my losses on this tray and c how the other 3 fair. but thanx for the suggestion 👍


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26440571 - 01/18/20 05:32 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

lol i was typin when u posted mush lol basicly same thing😃😃 did u figure out the pm i sent ya back earlier??


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26440577 - 01/18/20 05:35 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

I did.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy]
    #26440586 - 01/18/20 05:42 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

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Correct about the sporulation. Once you visibly see the trich it's already balls deep in the sub.

Incorrect about trich fruits. They are fine. You can always boil fruits in a tea if you are concerned.




That's great!

Thing is, the flush is usually bigger than you can consume in one trip :wink:  So you need to store them somehow. I have that little food-dehydrator to dry them crisp, then I crush them to powder. If I use that powder for tea, it shouldn't be too bad then...

Anyway, thanks for this. I have thrown away 3 mini tubs due to trich (including fruits) until now. Won't happen again.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
    #26440600 - 01/18/20 05:56 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

I mean if you have to worry about eating trichy fruits...you might
not be cultivating enough :shrug:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26440637 - 01/18/20 06:24 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Yeah, right. It's all a matter of space and time...But if there is no health risk, why waste the good shrooms?

Also:
When I lost those tubs to trich, I had 3 separate cultures going. After nocing the jars I put the agar dishes into the fridge and forgot about them. Then, after spawning my tubs got trichy and I pulled those agar dishes from the fridge. After some days/weeks I started to see strange whispy myc growth on them, so I guess there was something wrong with the agar or my technique. One bad agar bottle (20 dishes) can destroy many cultures at the same time. And then you sit there with 3 or more tubs and all are bad. Even if I had made 10 tubs, all would have been bad, I guess...


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
    #26440732 - 01/18/20 07:56 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

hey jake or asura or any seasoned pan grower what do you do for dehydrating times and temps just curious i dont wanna fry my fruits too much


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26440823 - 01/18/20 09:12 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

@Prietenul haha I was being a little facetious there, sorry about that.
I get your point, but hopefully you aren't getting 20 plates of bad
cultures...that would be pretty bad. I recently replaced my flow hood
filter because I was having some unexplained issues, so I hear ya.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26440993 - 01/18/20 11:57 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

well after 8 hrs in the dehydrator i ended up with 17.5 grm dry not cohntin the 25 caps im printin so im sayin prolly around 20 all together that really aint that bad a haul for a 1st flush considering damn near half the tray didnt fruit

still just hard to believe that whole plate full is only that much dry lol



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26441141 - 01/19/20 04:23 AM (4 years, 11 days ago)

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@Prietenul haha I was being a little facetious there, sorry about that.
I get your point, but hopefully you aren't getting 20 plates of bad
cultures...that would be pretty bad. I recently replaced my flow hood
filter because I was having some unexplained issues, so I hear ya.




No offense taken :wink: I get your point, too. Just need to diversify more (different agar dishes with different cultures, reduces the risk of total failure). And if my finances permit it, I'll definitely build a flow hood and a martha.

When I started, I thought, that it can't be that hard...then the failures started. But I think I learned the most from exactly those failures. And it's getting better and better every time I try again. So those failures have their value... Frustration does not help.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26441776 - 01/19/20 02:08 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Hey jcm4260
Wow what a reduction in weight  compared to the fruits in the tray! They really do dry up huh
....B ut still lots of good trips + more flushes for you to come I hope..
Are you growing other pans besides Pan Jams?

...can't wait till I get mine fruiting!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lizardking]
    #26441807 - 01/19/20 02:27 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

no just jams at the moment im just starting to learn pans and this was only my 2nd grow of em. i just harvested that tray n trashed it due to trich that popped up in 2 places so i dumped it. but its okay iv got 3 other trays already pinning that r trich free so we shall see what they bring. but hell outta that 1 flush  tray thats 15 decent trips so im not complainin. i plan on growin other pans next after these r all done. just not sure what ones yet i want to try goliath or texas i think next


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    #26444069 - 01/20/20 11:10 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

i still hav 3 pan jam prints from my last tray if anyone wants 1 just pm me first come first serve
lm sorry but USA only


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26444084 - 01/20/20 11:30 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Pan cyans have a very high water content. Its probably over 90% water.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26444112 - 01/21/20 12:07 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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i still hav 3 pan jam prints from my last tray if anyone wants 1 just pm me first come first serve
lm sorry but USA only




Not that I need one. Can buy vials of Pan Cyan Jamaican (sadly no professional prints). But, may I ask the reason why you guys send to the US only?

You are not the first one from whom I read this, and I'm genuinely interested about what the reason is.

Is there a security risk or anything?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
    #26444126 - 01/21/20 12:33 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

Pmed jcm


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Prietenul]
    #26444166 - 01/21/20 01:41 AM (4 years, 9 days ago)

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i still hav 3 pan jam prints from my last tray if anyone wants 1 just pm me first come first serve
lm sorry but USA only




Not that I need one. Can buy vials of Pan Cyan Jamaican (sadly no professional prints). But, may I ask the reason why you guys send to the US only?

You are not the first one from whom I read this, and I'm genuinely interested about what the reason is.

Is there a security risk or anything?




maybe a lil more a security risk pendin on where your sendin it but not on my end cuz its not like im givin my address as a return one or anything lol. but really im just a cheap ass and aint spendin more
for international cost on a spore print lol


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