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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#26438021 - 01/17/20 08:23 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Nice fruits there....
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Zifozonke]
#26438047 - 01/17/20 08:40 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Sum good looking clone candidates there jcm! Well done Here are sum more Jalisco I missed the print window on some of these just been super busy
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26438070 - 01/17/20 08:54 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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One word Jake....
AWESOME
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26438076 - 01/17/20 08:59 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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How much vigor the culture can lose with a single pin? It's signficant? Quote:
cronicr said: They lose vigor
Yes, that was the word i was looking for. Haha, thanks cron.
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Someone give this man the TC tag please.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26438095 - 01/17/20 09:08 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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ya il prolly pull a cpl clones
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26438100 - 01/17/20 09:09 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah Jake, that looks really cool! Congrats, nice trays.
I have some cubes colonizing grain atm, when that grow is finished I will give pan cyans a try.
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#26438123 - 01/17/20 09:17 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Someone give this man the TC tag please.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Zifozonke]
#26438174 - 01/17/20 09:32 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#26438253 - 01/17/20 10:13 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: Left side, Your trays look too dry, you want to run the moisture in your casing up so there is always something to evap. Notice how damp my trays look in my pics. As for you sub lean heavy on the straw side at first 60/30 (straw over dung) is a good starting point you can adjust this depending on the fluffy-ness/age of your manure but often times that mix is optimal.
A question about your recipe for a tray. Are the percentages by dry weight or volume? You mention 1/2 cup gypsum but what is the total volume or total dry weight for this recipe?
65% chopped straw (no need to pre hydrate) 35% manure 5% verm 1/2 cup gypsum (optional) Mix in water and bring to field capacity
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Just adding to my list for reference.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#26438355 - 01/17/20 11:12 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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In case anyone's in the mood for a laugh, witness the shitshow that followed my comments a couple days ago about making up manure / straw / grain bags for pans (this is taken from the LAGM 2020 thread, link in my sig):
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Durgin said: January 17th:
Behold: a picture of me, holding a handful of straw soaked in liquified cow shit. What kind of terrible life choices did I make to get here?

Let me explain. So after making up some bags of manure/straw/grain for the pans I'm working on (see my last post), I was thinking they looked a little muddy, and after the PC cycle they definitely felt too dense to colonize well. I brought this up in the cultivating pans thread, and Asura (after chastising me for saying I followed his tek when I used black kow instead of hpoo - I should've probably said "adapted" instead) suggested I do a "microwave test" to check the water content. So I opened one of the bags and got out 100g of the substrate, and proceeded to (slowly! remember that straw is flammable) microwave out all the moisture. According to Asura, ideal hydration should be around 63%, meaning that the dry weight should end up at 37g.
But not matter how long I cooked it, I couldn't get it below 48g, so if anything it seemed that meant my sub was too dry (that is, it was only 52% water). WTF? I thought about this a while, stared at the glass like The Thinker, then drank some mushroom tea, drank some more because I was impatient, realized I had too much when my brain started to feel like scrambled eggs, then during the comedown stared some more, and after what seemed like hours but was probably 5 minutes of contemplation, I realized the problem: the mix seemed too muddy because of all the mud!
(I realize that this next bit may seem obvious to some of you, but as a city kid, this part doesn't come as naturally to me).
That is, the difference between black kow and plain old cow manure is that black kow is composted. That means it's broken down by microbes into simpler forms. And what's the end product of that process, if allowed to continue indefinitely? Regular old dirt. And when you mix dirt and water, you get mud. (In the case of black kow, you also get some small rocks, some sticks, etc., but nevermind that for now.) So the problem I was having with my mix being too muddy was because it was actually mud, and obviously mushrooms aren't going to grow on that. It doesn't have much nutrition left, and it won't hold water.
That gave me an idea. For growing, we want to keep the least broken-down part of the manure, but not the most digested stuff. There's no perfect way to do that, but I figured there's probably a good proxy - size. Microbes break down organic material, not build it up, so presumably the smallest particles are the least useful ones. So I decided to try an experiment, for the sake of science.
(Note here that this is going entirely off-script from any tek, so don't try this yourself unless you're willing to risk possible---dare I say likely---failure of your entire grow. You've been warned!)
So step 1, I opened up both bags and dumped them in a bucket, added some extra dry straw to offset the black kow that's about to get dumped, and soaked it all in hot water for an hour or so (stirring occasionally). Part of the idea here is that there is something unique about the manure that pans like, and so if that nutrition / flavor / whatever they respond to is water soluble, we'd retain some of it by using the manure soak water (my god that's a disgusting series of words that I can't believe I just used) to hydrate the straw. Also, the soaking / stirring would hopefully help separate out the different black kow material by density, with the mud falling to the bottom.
From there, I started grabbing handfuls of the solid mix and dumping them into my strainer:

After the strainer was mostly full, I'd give the whole thing a long rinse (mixing it up a couple times as I go) until the water draining off was mostly clear. When I got to the bottom of the bucket, I had to actually dump the contents through the strainer (a lot of the wheat grains had fallen to the bottom and mixed with the mud), so that took a lot more rinsing than the rest.
But all in all, the resulting mixture looked way less muddy and more airy than the initial version, which is exactly what I was hoping for:

(If you look closely you can see some of the sticks and stuff I mentioned before. I started trying to sift through it all, but that got to be a hassle, and then I realized that sticks and stones are present pretty much anywhere mushrooms grow in the wild so I didn't need to make a big deal about it.)
After allowing it to drain through the strainer, I then spread out the resulting mix (now mostly straw and grains, supplemented with verm and whatever solid parts of the black kow escaped the rinse) across several bowls and baking sheets to dry a bit more:

I ended up putting the sheets in the oven at 300F for an hour to get them a bit drier, then mixed it all up in a larger bucket and added another few handfuls of straw to absorb any remaining excess moisture (since it still seemed pretty damp) before loading up into bags once again. The final product looks much, much better this time:

I PC'd these for a bit over 2 hours at around 17 PSI, with an extended cool-down (turned the stove to low until it reached about 7 PSI, then turned it off) to avoid popping the bags. After they cooled, I took a look and mixed it up a bit, and the final substrate / grain mix is much lighter and airier than the last version, while still maintaining plenty of moisture to grow in. So I'm optimistic about the potential here, but we'll see how it plays out.
And in case my use of the word "shitshow" didn't tip you off already, I recognize that this is not how things should be done, so no need to remind me here! I tried something new, it didn't work as I expected and I learned from that already (main lesson: black kow and hpoo are very, very different substances, not just variations of the same thing like hpoo vs. cow poo). But since I already had a bunch of materials that I'd been using I figured I didn't have anything to lose by seeing if it could be saved, and it would be cool if somehow it did work. (I'm blessed by low expectations for this grow...)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Durgin]
#26438446 - 01/17/20 12:02 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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anyone have a pan goliath, sandose, or texas print they can trade with me??
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Durgin]
#26438690 - 01/17/20 02:31 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Can you guys give me your opinion on these subs?
I used the same spawn jar with these two:


The top looks colonized but the middle of the sub looks not as white as i thought it would look without a liner.


I also have this little guy.

They don't smell funny or anything.
When can i apply the casing layer? now?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr. Alien] 1
#26438927 - 01/17/20 05:11 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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id case now man
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#26438990 - 01/17/20 05:43 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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fuuuuuuck me !!!!!!! i was doin some watering by syringe and seen a lil patch of trich starting it hadnt turned green yet but i am 100% positive thats what it was. i have not had that shit happen b4 1st flush in a very very long time. fuckin shit must have been hiding in my spawn. and i know my culture was clean. i sure hope the last batch of grains i did aint fucked some how 😪 so i harvested and cut a nice size chunk out of the sub all around it and just filled it with verm. maybe il get lucky and itl hold out for another flush wel c i guess🤷🏼 just pisses me off cuz this grow was supposed to go good and it has been anything but🤬
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#26438998 - 01/17/20 05:48 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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OK so i case and 1 day of consolidation before going to the fruiting chamber?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr. Alien]
#26439003 - 01/17/20 05:53 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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thats usually what i do or sometimes il go straight to fc as long as ur surface is 100% colonized id lightly case that fucker let it chill for a day then giv it a good misting and into the fc.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: jcm4620]
#26439242 - 01/17/20 08:35 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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JCM What's your FC setup you have going on there?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ComebackKid]
#26439357 - 01/17/20 10:14 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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its damn near just like angams i couldnt belive it when he posted his pics i was like holy shit damn near like mine. but anyways mine is a 66qt tote filled about 2.5 inches with distilled water. with two 18.0 inch bubble wands. one on each long side. then in the middle there is four 6.0 inch air stones equally spaced apart from each other. they are powered by two really good air pumps from the hydro store here. then i have a submerged heater set at 88 deg f. at that setting i keep a constant temp of 79-81 deg f. and my rh stays a constant 95%. i have a ceiling fan that stays on low in the room at all times to keep air moving. then i have a fan across the room pointing directly at it from the end that comes on for 2 min every 4 hrs. when that comes on my rh drops down to 80-85%. my lights r just 2 clamp lamps with 6500k bulbs clamped on to the handle area of the tote. now the lid is not latched ever. it sits on top of the lamps clamps creating a little air gap for when the fan comes on. also the lid has 1/4 inch holes in a standard 2.0 inch grid(sgfc) pattern for air to escape and moisture to evap upwards and out. all those air wands give me a constant fae. my trays just sit on a kitchen/dishes type rack. and thats about it lol
i have just gotten into pans so im still learnin them this is just what i threw together out of what i had layin around from when i first started growin. i too tried and wasted time and $$ on all the dumb shit that wasnt needed lol. but my plan is to set up a cpl marthas i already have em i just gtta find the time and put em together. but this lil set up has been working very good actually so il prolly run both
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