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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26276784 - 10/25/19 06:05 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Lol yes omt not dmt lol
Also psilocin is just dmt with 4 phosphorus atoms on it which our body breaks off and absorbs the dmt. True you can’t eat str8 dmt unless you take a maoi first but psilocybin,psilocin, norbaeocystin & baeosystin are just consumption ready forms of dmt.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26276848 - 10/25/19 06:42 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so pans.. My magnetic stir plate came in couple days ago. Fresh prints on the way too. Is it better to make small amounts of lc and then use it all at once or make larger amounts and fill a syringe when I need some?

I'm confident in my agar work and my ability to transfer clean tissue. I just haven't used lc much and this is my first time making lc for pans.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spiritlands]
    #26276862 - 10/25/19 06:51 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I like to make one jar of LC per grow. I do enough to inoculate two bags at once. I have
plates in reserve if things go south - a test plate from the LC and another plate that
wasn't put to LC.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26276894 - 10/25/19 07:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, I like that. Thanks


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26277392 - 10/26/19 02:18 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol yes omt not dmt lol
Also psilocin is just dmt with two phosphorus atoms on it which our body breaks off and absorbs the dmt. True you can’t eat str8 dmt unless you take a maoi first but psilocybin,psilocin, norbaeocystin & baeosystin are just consumption ready forms of dmt.




Nooooo! Look at the structure again, cause this is not the case at all. Both Psilocybin and Psilocin. None of that converts to DMT, ever.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #26277422 - 10/26/19 03:05 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

None of it converts to a dmt you're correct. But dmt and psilocin and psilocybin are sister chemicals. They behave very similar. They also affect the brain similarly by plugging into the right receptors. Dmt is broken down almost as fast as they are consumed hence the short duration. Psilocin and psylocibin take time to be broken down hence the longer duration. Same thing with methylenedioxyamphetamine and methylenedioxymethamphetamine. The Amphetamine version last longer with less high but the methylated version is short and intense. Dmt when consumed must pass through the liver and organs before being processed, why Ayahuasca last longer than smoking dmt.

I don't think the body converts psylocibin into dmt, but I do think the active groups on these molecules effect the brain while they are in the body and the psilocin and psylocibin versions of the molecule effect the brain longer.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spiritlands] * 1
    #26277449 - 10/26/19 03:56 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Sister chemicals - yes, absolutely. But even this small change has dramatic effects on receptor activity. For example, Psilocin is not active at TAAR or Sigma receptors. Small diff chemically, very large diff pharmacologically. That's why I think people should stop thinking of them as "VERY similar". They are just similar. But to each their own, I'm just trying to clear things up since I have the knowledge. :shrug:

All boils down to personal preference in the end, haha.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #26277750 - 10/26/19 08:30 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)



Here are psilocin psilocybin & dmt


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #26277757 - 10/26/19 08:34 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

the difference you think is small, is actually very large.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26277765 - 10/26/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Point out the difference between psilocin and dmt


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26277772 - 10/26/19 08:40 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)



Point out the biggest planet here, Professor


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26277778 - 10/26/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Lol that’s wut I thT
I know they are different, I also know our body converts psilocybin to psilocin, so then what would be happening differently in the brain if a person were to take dmt+ maoi as opposed to someone who consumed straight psilocin?
Also who TF is this kid?^
Can u even grow pans homie? Y u here? Lol


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26277810 - 10/26/19 09:01 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Jake, I think you haven't clarified what differences are we really talking about. There is a ton of differences but it seems to me you are actually pointing to the similarities and there's a misunderstanding.

TL;DR: To get high quality answers, one must ask high quality questions. And that requires some (sometimes a lot) of prior knowledge.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #26277814 - 10/26/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Lol I’ll just pm u bud we can talk there


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #26278018 - 10/26/19 11:06 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

In case no one saw, I have an estero giveaway in the marketplace. I have
2 left. So go grab one. I want to pack everything up at once and send it
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26278034 - 10/26/19 11:13 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

thank you again, asura.


i'd like this talk pharmacology talk to carry on. where at? are maybe just, where are good resources for reading about it? suggestions?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26278045 - 10/26/19 11:17 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Wiki is a good start, but for good understanding you will need background in neuroscience, physiology and some chemistry maybe.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash] * 1
    #26278053 - 10/26/19 11:20 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Adas said:
Sister chemicals - yes, absolutely. But even this small change has dramatic effects on receptor activity. For example, Psilocin is not active at TAAR or Sigma receptors. Small diff chemically, very large diff pharmacologically. That's why I think people should stop thinking of them as "VERY similar". They are just similar. But to each their own, I'm just trying to clear things up since I have the knowledge. :shrug:

All boils down to personal preference in the end, haha.



Agreed, small changes to the molecule can change everything. Looking at the similarities of the molecules is only half the picture. The rest is which active groups are present and where on the skeleton they are attached. There are formulas that determine if it is psychoactive or not and as long as the right groups are on the right carbon in the chain the new molecule will be active as well. Like synthetic cannabinoids, basically a soap molecule with the active groups obeying the formula. 

Jjackflash if you ever wanna talk chem blow up my inbox. I love it and I get like one conversation a year. It's kinda my thing..
For the record that is potassium nitrate I made from scratch in a dream once. I used to have lots of dreams, the not so much anymore.


Asura, your funny. What a killer way to switch topics, with a giveaway. Your good with kids huh?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spiritlands] * 1
    #26278281 - 10/26/19 01:02 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Y’all got ur shit ready for winter? Lol

Last winter towards the end I ran out of ideal manure and it was annoying.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: spiritlands] * 1
    #26278303 - 10/26/19 01:10 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Ok to get back on track....

I have a massive 2nd flush coming in.



What I've learned on this grow is that things seem to work a lot better when there is a temp differential between
the FAE source and my grow room. Or it could also be that the FAE has dryer air. I still don't quite know.

I got hit with a cold front this week and the cool air outside mixed with the warm air in the grow room and made everything
explode. Casing is staying wet, but greater evaporation. It's like an evaporative cooler in the GH. The fog seems to cling
to the casing layer a lot better, keeping it wet.

I've heard mary mention this effect before and it could explain my difficulties over the summer.
When all of the air is high humidity...things just don't work very well.


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