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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26275599 - 10/25/19 07:56 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

When i ate regional copelandia i defently felt like MDMA kind of feel of happyness. I do think serotonin in someway enters into our bloodstream. Maybe like you say in our guts.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr. Alien] * 1
    #26275928 - 10/25/19 10:30 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You can get a mdma-like "happy feeling" from psilo too :smile: The agitation of 5htp1a and 5htp1d sero receptors are good candidates for which serotonin reseptor group creates the blissfull, happy or deeply content feeling you can get from both MDA/MDMA etc and psilocybin.

LSA (morning glory/hawaiian baby woodrose) also work on these receptors (1a, 1d), perhaps to a greater degree, and also produces a heavy serotonergic blissful feeling.

MDMA guarantees this feeling, with shrooms its more hit or miss.

How psilocybin achieves the awesomely feeling I dont know, but I would feel much safer getting blissful from shrooms, than from MDMA. Theres not very good scientific proof that we all recover from MDMA use, even if clinical trials to a low degree reports hangovers, we simply do not know whether or not the average individual will reconstitute and return to normal from mdma use, and the magic is gradually lost, very much unlike shrooms.

And I still wonder where people are getting the idea that serotonin as a distinct molecule can travel from the gut to the brain and affect it through being eaten


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26275939 - 10/25/19 10:37 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I do have some pharmacology/medical background, and I confirm serotonin won't enter the brain. That being said, it can (and does) affect the GIT receptors, which can induce nausea, and therefore influence your experience indirectly, through the GIT.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: meaculpaUIO] * 1
    #26275942 - 10/25/19 10:38 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

All I can say is that a trip on pan cyans is different
from cubes. It's not like cubes but more potent. It is different. And I do get pretty nauseous on them even
with tea.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26275983 - 10/25/19 11:03 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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All I can say is that a trip on pan cyans is different
from cubes. It's not like cubes but more potent. It is different. And I do get pretty nauseous on them even
with tea.




I agree.  Different.  Even cyans vs. bisporus is different.

That said, have you tried ginger root for the nausea?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MacMerdin]
    #26276080 - 10/25/19 11:43 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah when I remember, I will grate up some fresh
ginger and add it. It does seem to help.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26276117 - 10/25/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

its hard to say that Pans create nausea, without actually know whether or not the "nauseated person" is doing the tea tek, eating them, or combining the consumption of pans with other possibly relevant factors.

very many edible mushrooms, active or not, can create nausea. To confuse things additionally, some people get nausea from the same batch of mushrooms others do not. to source whether or not active Pan consumpton is prone to create nausea, we'd have to serve similarily grown and treated pans, in tea form, to a wide range of people - as a start


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26276135 - 10/25/19 12:08 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Well the DMT is the only thing our body consumes right?
Out body breaks off the extra phosphorus atoms consuming only the “dmt”?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26276145 - 10/25/19 12:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

How are we unable to absorb serotonin thru the gut if 90% of it is produced in the gut?
https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/microbes-help-produce-serotonin-gut-46495


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26276187 - 10/25/19 12:28 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Production and absorption are 2 very different things. Your brain also makes serotonin, yet it can't go in or out. That's what the BBB is for.

Even if you can absorb it, it won't get to the brain.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #26276230 - 10/25/19 12:46 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

What’s the point In Producing it if it can’t be absorbed? BBB?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26276335 - 10/25/19 01:29 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

The gut cells use it for themselves and their communication. Not saying THEY can't absorb it, but for example the brain can't. You should really look into some physiology, but until then you may as well take my word for it.

My claim is that the difference in effects is not caused by 5HT (maybe except for nausea), but by something else.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #26276365 - 10/25/19 01:40 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I got ya bud, I’m not trying to argue or anything I believe you just asking questions. Definitely not my area of expertise lol. I’ve been doing more and more reading on such things tho as I’m trying to create a safe all natural omt/detox program. Right now I’m working on making supplements using kratom and cordyceps extracts and adding cbds. I’ve only made a few so far as I’m still waiting for cordyceps flushes to come in but the ones I have made I’m told were effective by the 3 active using people that replaced their habit with it for the day (or at least part of it) still a lot of work to do but having a better understanding of shot like this will go a long way.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #26276584 - 10/25/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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The gut cells use it for themselves and their communication. Not saying THEY can't absorb it, but for example the brain can't. You should really look into some physiology, but until then you may as well take my word for it.

My claim is that the difference in effects is not caused by 5HT (maybe except for nausea), but by something else.




Different mushrooms are different, and make us feel different.

Fact is pans look, smell, taste, feel and are a distinct species different from other related pan species, and certainly distinct from cubensis.

One has to be very careful in the field - whether its mushrooms or plants, even which fish to eat and from what location to not catch them,  - and not group everything into one reductionist set.

That is why I wouldnt encourage anyone to go mushroom hunting, some people simply arent in tune to notice small yet critical differences.

In this case;

What is being unduly considered as subjective/placebo, are our personal experiences regarding how these mushrooms make us feel.

A mode of action being unknown is no proof to discredit subjective experiences which at this point have more credibility than arbitary disbelief

When I take mushrooms, especially pans, the happy feeling I get is in my "stomach", I dont get a happy feeling in my head, its all in my gut. Feels like light is in my gut.

When I take cubensis I get why the name boomers came about.

This all goes back to being human. If we study many mammals especially primates, elephants and the like, beings which need long parenting times. We will see that they pass down knowledge of nature which is critical to survival from one generation to another.

What does that have to do with us? Well we humans have also passed down knowledge of plants, shelters, dangers ect ect from generation to generation.

And the knowledge we had of plants and fungi, we had no chemical analysis until very recently.

Now we can isolate the chemicals in garlic, mint, nutmeg, onions ect but they havent changed a bit, it is only our culture & perception that has changed. 

It seems to me we have lost faith in our ancestry, learning from each others personal experience, and wish to regain it through chemical analysis.

As if we can not believe in first hand experience unless some fancy words are used to explain it.

Our knowledge was gained from experiencing nature -to call first hand experience subjective is a subtle insult to humanity.

People have been eating edible Aminatas for centuries.

That speaks volumes to me of the in dept knowledge human cultures have had of nature, without need for explaining away what they experience. 

Sure its cool to know whats behind it all.

If the world is an infinity, then that mystery will always exist no matter how deep we dig and how much we label. :peace:

& not really aimed @ you Adas, just my input on the current topic


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26276597 - 10/25/19 03:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't tried extracting mushrooms but I do have a lot of chemistry experience. I found this study on psylocibin extraction/conversion that looks promising. It covers some of the ways the body breaks down the alkaloids and tries to complete the conversion before the extraction is finished to increase yeilds. Might be of interest to someone.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26276742 - 10/25/19 05:43 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh I got ya bud, I’m not trying to argue or anything I believe you just asking questions. Definitely not my area of expertise lol. I’ve been doing more and more reading on such things tho as I’m trying to create a safe all natural omt/detox program. Right now I’m working on making supplements using kratom and cordyceps extracts and adding cbds. I’ve only made a few so far as I’m still waiting for cordyceps flushes to come in but the ones I have made I’m told were effective by the 3 active using people that replaced their habit with it for the day (or at least part of it) still a lot of work to do but having a better understanding of shot like this will go a long way.




Your stuff seems retard. You cant get high on eating dmt either. Take it from a guy who stuffd dmt salt up his ass for suffering and no psychoactive effect

If ur gonna make some retard ass nutrition program to cash in make it better


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: meaculpaUIO]
    #26276768 - 10/25/19 05:59 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Jakeoncid419 said:
Oh I got ya bud, I’m not trying to argue or anything I believe you just asking questions. Definitely not my area of expertise lol. I’ve been doing more and more reading on such things tho as I’m trying to create a safe all natural omt/detox program. Right now I’m working on making supplements using kratom and cordyceps extracts and adding cbds. I’ve only made a few so far as I’m still waiting for cordyceps flushes to come in but the ones I have made I’m told were effective by the 3 active using people that replaced their habit with it for the day (or at least part of it) still a lot of work to do but having a better understanding of shot like this will go a long way.




Your stuff seems retard. You cant get high on eating dmt either. Take it from a guy who stuffd dmt salt up his ass for suffering and no psychoactive effect

If ur gonna make some retard ass nutrition program to cash in make it better


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He said "omt", not "dmt".

More reading, indeed.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: meaculpaUIO] * 1
    #26276776 - 10/25/19 06:02 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

we should only be discussing cultivation of pans:oldman:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy]
    #26276778 - 10/25/19 06:03 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26276783 - 10/25/19 06:05 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Some of the talk is really interesting stuff. Would look great in TPE forum.

with my tea thread
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