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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MacMerdin]
    #26224223 - 10/02/19 08:24 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Experiment time..

So I'm going to try a direct LC inoculation kinda like Asura does but with sterile oats/hpoo in quart jars. Yeah I know I won't be able to mash it up like bags but I'm just not on the bag bus yet. My thoughts are there isn't much point in drying my oats after prep since I'll be mixing them with hpoo and hydrating to field capacity anyway. Makes sense eh?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MacMerdin]
    #26224292 - 10/02/19 08:51 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe I misunderstood.  I thought he talked about just pouring hot water on the cactus mix not the sand. I read it as the cactus mix is like jiffy mix but with a bit of sand in it?




You are correct.  I put it in a cup (I don't need much) but a bucket would work too.  Pour boiling water over it and let sit overnight.  Scoop out and strain (it will be very wet at this point) and spread as casing.

No lime needed as I think it's already Ph'd.





You just made my day, thank you!
Will try this in about 5 days once my cakes have had time to really get a hold of the substrate. (Following your tek)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26224399 - 10/02/19 09:39 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Hoping for nice flushes for you.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MacMerdin]
    #26224408 - 10/02/19 09:42 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Oh do not worry, I will keep you updated :wink:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26225193 - 10/02/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So follow willy's cactus mix casing?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26225559 - 10/02/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Ohhhhh. I loves me some Panaeolus, now... :wink:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26225578 - 10/02/19 05:47 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Experiment time..

So I'm going to try a direct LC inoculation kinda like Asura does but with sterile oats/hpoo in quart jars. Yeah I know I won't be able to mash it up like bags but I'm just not on the bag bus yet. My thoughts are there isn't much point in drying my oats after prep since I'll be mixing them with hpoo and hydrating to field capacity anyway. Makes sense eh?




Let me know how this goes. I was going to try the exact same thing but with milo. My reasoning is that I would hopefully get better/faster colonization with
a quart at a time instead of a whole bag. The only thing is that, even with a flow hood, you would be exposing the jars momentarily during inoculation.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26225773 - 10/02/19 06:55 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Grimsweeper said:
Experiment time..

So I'm going to try a direct LC inoculation kinda like Asura does but with sterile oats/hpoo in quart jars. Yeah I know I won't be able to mash it up like bags but I'm just not on the bag bus yet. My thoughts are there isn't much point in drying my oats after prep since I'll be mixing them with hpoo and hydrating to field capacity anyway. Makes sense eh?




Let me know how this goes. I was going to try the exact same thing but with milo. My reasoning is that I would hopefully get better/faster colonization with
a quart at a time instead of a whole bag. The only thing is that, even with a flow hood, you would be exposing the jars momentarily during inoculation.



6 myco qts in the PC now, 40% oats to 60% hpoo. Also used a qt of the grain water to hydrate to the dry side of field capacity. Just dumped the oats in a strainer then right to hpoo so that's a nice shortcut if it works out.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26225964 - 10/02/19 08:18 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

interesting. i've been thinking of trying shaper's approach, using grain spawn to inoculate jars of sterile sub. having a bitch of time with contamination lately.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash] * 2
    #26228676 - 10/03/19 11:49 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

grains -> sterile jars sounds pretty fiddly compared to LC -> sterile bags

Another noodly pan cyan florida first flush :pimpin:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
    #26228911 - 10/04/19 05:55 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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grains -> sterile jars sounds pretty fiddly compared to LC -> sterile bags

Another noodly pan cyan florida first flush :pimpin:






can't argue with that. but then, i already have the spawn, and lc and sterile bags are both outside my skillset at present. baby steps.

that's some trippy spaghetti you have there. delicious.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26229650 - 10/04/19 01:52 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I stick to spawn, even my LC is put to grain. Maybe it’s just preference but I feel like running my culture they this process weeds out weak genetics. Do I get sum contams? sure. But the cultures that do make it thru come up strong and then I clone.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Grimsweeper] * 1
    #26230299 - 10/04/19 06:59 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Grimsweeper said:
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Asura said:
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Grimsweeper said:
Experiment time..

So I'm going to try a direct LC inoculation kinda like Asura does but with sterile oats/hpoo in quart jars. Yeah I know I won't be able to mash it up like bags but I'm just not on the bag bus yet. My thoughts are there isn't much point in drying my oats after prep since I'll be mixing them with hpoo and hydrating to field capacity anyway. Makes sense eh?




Let me know how this goes. I was going to try the exact same thing but with milo. My reasoning is that I would hopefully get better/faster colonization with
a quart at a time instead of a whole bag. The only thing is that, even with a flow hood, you would be exposing the jars momentarily during inoculation.



6 myco qts in the PC now, 40% oats to 60% hpoo. Also used a qt of the grain water to hydrate to the dry side of field capacity. Just dumped the oats in a strainer then right to hpoo so that's a nice shortcut if it works out.



Are you planning on spawning the jars to pasteurized bulk after colonization or fruiting as is? I saw a grow somewhere where they mixed manure in with their master grain spawn for g2g I think it was for more inoculation points or something? Idk but looking forwfard it let us know how it goes.

Also I want to thank everyone for the kind words on my last post. Since then everything has put out a 2nd flush already. The monotubs harvested second flush a while back (which was actually better than the first flush) but I noticed a little trich set in on the side of the substrate so tossed it after harvesting. Probably had a bit of juice left but eh whatever I don't want trich spores all over and the fruits were kind of noodle-like anyway.

The same tray from last post, second flush:


Have 4 other trays that look pretty much the same, except for this one which has a lot of side pins and a lot of aborts. Possibly due to a bad spot in the GH?


One more tray I took a picture of, this one's in a plastic tub with higher walls since I ran out of glass trays. Most of the mushrooms probably could've waited a couple more days but I harvested them all.


Taking a few spore prints this time too.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hans Wermhat]
    #26231046 - 10/05/19 05:56 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

That's a killer grow Hans excellent work.

My plan is to crumble, recover, case and fruit as is once colonized. I would've liked to try and birth and fruit as big cakes but all my wide mouth jars are occupied atm.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MacMerdin]
    #26231826 - 10/05/19 02:45 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I just cased with the Cactus, Palm & Citrus mix from Miracle Grow.  Hope it works.  Thanks for the recommendation!  Is that the one you use?  Should probably be the same.  I’ll keep updating.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fightingcherries]
    #26232023 - 10/05/19 04:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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I just cased with the Cactus, Palm & Citrus mix from Miracle Grow.  Hope it works.  Thanks for the recommendation!  Is that the one you use?  Should probably be the same.  I’ll keep updating.




I need to pick up a new bag so I'll let you know.  I don't see why it wouldn't work.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hans Wermhat]
    #26232081 - 10/05/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Grimsweeper said:
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Asura said:
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Grimsweeper said:
Experiment time..

So I'm going to try a direct LC inoculation kinda like Asura does but with sterile oats/hpoo in quart jars. Yeah I know I won't be able to mash it up like bags but I'm just not on the bag bus yet. My thoughts are there isn't much point in drying my oats after prep since I'll be mixing them with hpoo and hydrating to field capacity anyway. Makes sense eh?




Let me know how this goes. I was going to try the exact same thing but with milo. My reasoning is that I would hopefully get better/faster colonization with
a quart at a time instead of a whole bag. The only thing is that, even with a flow hood, you would be exposing the jars momentarily during inoculation.



6 myco qts in the PC now, 40% oats to 60% hpoo. Also used a qt of the grain water to hydrate to the dry side of field capacity. Just dumped the oats in a strainer then right to hpoo so that's a nice shortcut if it works out.



Are you planning on spawning the jars to pasteurized bulk after colonization or fruiting as is? I saw a grow somewhere where they mixed manure in with their master grain spawn for g2g I think it was for more inoculation points or something? Idk but looking forwfard it let us know how it goes.

Also I want to thank everyone for the kind words on my last post. Since then everything has put out a 2nd flush already. The monotubs harvested second flush a while back (which was actually better than the first flush) but I noticed a little trich set in on the side of the substrate so tossed it after harvesting. Probably had a bit of juice left but eh whatever I don't want trich spores all over and the fruits were kind of noodle-like anyway.

The same tray from last post, second flush:


Have 4 other trays that look pretty much the same, except for this one which has a lot of side pins and a lot of aborts. Possibly due to a bad spot in the GH?


One more tray I took a picture of, this one's in a plastic tub with higher walls since I ran out of glass trays. Most of the mushrooms probably could've waited a couple more days but I harvested them all.


Taking a few spore prints this time too.




Looking great! My first bag is almost ready to be broken out, I'd thrilled if I got results like that first time around as this will be my first Copelandia grow. Reading up and learning as much as I can and hoping for the best. Congrats


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26232125 - 10/05/19 05:17 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psilotyl] * 1
    #26232126 - 10/05/19 05:17 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So with regard to casing for this species, I have gathered that it is an absolute must. In Stamet's "The Mushroom Cultivator" it indicates as much, as does all the information on this thread with the beautiful results I am seeing by you all to back it up.

It is interesting that in Dr. Steven Pollock's now long out of print book "Magic Mushroom Cultivation" (I managed to find a .pdf) he recommends NOT casing Panaeolus. I'm going to chalk this up to the book being outdated (it came out around the same time as the McKenna's book - late 70's - when at home Cubensis growing was still extremely new). The argument could also be made that the guy was a bit of a kook, despite his great accomplishment in discovering Tampensis and apparent proficiency in Cubensis growing (which he oddly calls "San Isidro" - never heard that one until reading). Anyway, Pollock is a very mysterious figure indeed, given he is the only figure I am aware of from the era of early enthusiasts to meet in untimely end in the form of mysterious and grisly murder - but that's a whole other subject. Perhaps for all he was, a competent Copelandia grower might not have been one of them.

Getting back to the point: Is there a general consensus on how to case? Different methods that are working for different folks? Waylit Jim's TEK seems to be favored. Should I case with pasteurized cactus mix? How are you guys doing it?

Any pointers would be appreciated. My short time on Shroomery thus far has been superb - I am really enjoying it here. I'm continuing to read though this dense and informative thread, which likely contains all the answers I need. Just have that "new grower" lost feeling a little, since after all it is a new species for me.. For any info shared - thanks in advance, and happy growing :smile:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26232782 - 10/06/19 12:53 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Any good...??

Pan "Alabama"

And the dish  that these above were transferred from...
If you look carefully its blueing abit around the 1 o'clock area.

Sorry for bad picture quality...
Is hard to get good focus thru these plastic dishes.

Im using boiled potatoe water with agar - not used to this kind of thick white growth for a pan.

Is this bacterial or is it growing like this from my potatoe/agar mix??


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