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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #26172990 - 09/06/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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You gotta be kidding me dude! These are not only beautiful, but also huge!

What variety is that?




Thanks, from the info on here, it seems most mushrooms grow bigger outside. Its the same ones in the tubs/circular dish iv shown that arent as big inside. Variety? just some pans cyans from my local.

After reading mycelium running I once tried an outdoor patch with wild cube mycelium, cube stem butts, unpasteurized cow manure and it didnt fruit cubes at all but instead sprouted two flushes of two huge pan cyans(4), total accident. They each weighed ~0.25g dry, certainly bigger than these and it got me thinking about how big they can get outside.

  Im just happy to leave this info here as others have done, and in another thread for easy searching many years from now.





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Nice outdoor pan grow high night!  Did you tend it daily?





Thanks, no i didnt tend it daily. I totally forgot about it, checked on it four days ago and it was dry!

I poured a gardening pale full of water over it, thinking that was to hydrate the casing for the myc to run through and then forgot about it again. I was pleasantly surprised today.

It seems the myc didnt grow up into the casing either as happens with my tubs.

A few other persons have had outdoor grows with cubes where they throw wet straw over the casing/sub loosely and i planned to do that but it just did its own thing, at its own pace.

All that said to say it could potentially be better. This was basically set and forget. Thought id messed up by letting it get on the dry side.

And if the upload dates were not there id hardly believe how quickly this happened.

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What was the substrate?


  Cardboard, straw spawn, coconut fibre, spawn, pastuerized cow manure, spawn, coconut fibre.  Cased with pasteurized finely chopped decayed wood. layered in that order.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: High Night Expanse]
    #26173041 - 09/06/19 06:06 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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spawned  08.25.19



cased 08.29.19





12 days after spawning  :flyhigh:  :jointsmile:



Nice job HNE. Happy to see some new peeps in panheads.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Grimsweeper]
    #26173173 - 09/06/19 07:33 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

rad. congratulations, that is killer.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: High Night Expanse]
    #26173399 - 09/06/19 10:44 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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spawned  08.25.19



cased 08.29.19





12 days after spawning  :flyhigh:  :jointsmile:




WOW...
Outta the park congrats...
My outdoor tubs I made up have produced - but many small fruits...
Those are beauties..
Well done...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26173477 - 09/07/19 12:37 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Which is better for a sgfc, cakes or trays?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FunnyFungiName]
    #26173772 - 09/07/19 07:41 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #26175681 - 09/08/19 10:24 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Last shots of the bam and Texas trays before harvest.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26176220 - 09/08/19 03:30 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I've been loving this thread and got some Pan Cambo Sandos. Put some MS to agar and made some transfers, got it going good. The I threw agar wedges into a master whole oats, then g2g to 6 qt jars. All looked awesome. Then I put 3 qt oats to 3 qts sub(hpoo, straw, verm in the ratios from the first post) into a 66qt tub. In 6 days it was pretty well colonized like the pic in the first post. I then cased with jiffy mix 1/4" deep, but may have been closer to 1/2" deep. AAAANNNNNDDDD then the frikin thing never fruited. It almost seemed like when I added the casing it just stopped growing. I didn't use a liner so I can see the sub and it seems to have stalled. Temps are always 74-75f. Doesn't look dry, doesn't look wet. I let it chill for a month and nothing. I'm pretty much at the point of tossing them and trying again. But one last ditch effort I scooped out most of the casing layer and left a thin layer of the casing. I would post pics but it looks great, so it wouldn't help.

Was wondering if this has happened to anyone else? The only thing I can think of is the hpoo seemed a little sandy and maybe I shoveled more sand than hpoo from the pile? Or does adding too much casing halt growth(probably not)? Any help would be rad because I want to try again but don't want to f-up again.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: noluckdude]
    #26176578 - 09/08/19 06:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just getting into these myself but I do recall people saying keep the temps above 77 during fruiting and to only use 1:4 spawn ratio. Perhaps one of our experienced people can chime in. Like I said I'm just getting into these myself. So take whatever I say about these with a grain of salt lol


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: KapnDank] * 1
    #26176681 - 09/08/19 07:38 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

first, jake, jaw dropping as usual. like trying to roll with a bjj master. humbling.

noluckdude, see here

 

these two trays, both from the same project, a wild pan cy print, put to agar, transfers, oats, spawn to hpoo and grass clippings at or around 1:1 ratio, and cased fairly thinly, all at exactly the same time. they both fruited. one did vastly better than the other. neither was spectacular. that tiny little cluster above turned into this




the point is, sounds like you're doing things generally right. just because it hasn't fruited, doesn't mean it won't, or that you fucked up, or that you should wait for it. i'd say you certainly shouldn't wait to try again unless you want to turn your attention elsewhere.

i'm no pan cy master. got lucky a few times. i think the reason this hobby can be so addictive is it taps into the same reward center as gambling. seriously, we're all playing the odds. recognize, if you spawn at a higher ratio as is advised around here, each quart jar of spawn is enough for an entire tray. get a half dozen decent jars, there's a half dozen chances to win. then take clones of rad clusters to improve future odds. if every play was a winner, it could get boring fast. hoping your luck improves, noluckdude.

also, i realize pan cam and pan cy aren't the same exact thing, but close enough right?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26177238 - 09/09/19 07:57 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

UPDATE: The mystery mushrooms I have found are definitely NOT Bisporus. Germinated the spores, and the myc is nice and fluffy, as opposed to the agar-sticking Bisporus. The mystery continues.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
    #26178375 - 09/09/19 06:52 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think you can rule it out based on that.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: d0urd3n]
    #26179013 - 09/10/19 03:40 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Why not? Bisporus myc for me always lied dead flat on the Agar. This rises up into the air from the getgo.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox]
    #26180814 - 09/11/19 12:40 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Hi everyone, this is my first post here on the shroomery. So I'm currently in the middle of a cube grow which is going smooth but pans are where my interest really is. So I bought a couple wild prints of pan cyan var Florida from someone on reddit which I am currently trying to clean up on agar (it is extremely dirty so it's been a challenge). Anyway I just have a couple questions about this species and this seems to be the best place to ask.
So first off, once I get this culture cleaned up what exactly should I be looking for when doing sub strain isolations? I know with cubes your looking for the strongest, most rizomorphic growth sectors, but with pans the mycelium looks and grows different.

2nd, as far as bulk subs go I have horse pastures and stables not too far from me so I have access to free manure that is straight hpoo and also to horse manure compost (not sure as to the other contents of the compost is). Which of these would be better for a good sub? Also does it matter what type of straw is used?
Any help would be very much appreciated.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mike Hawk]
    #26180822 - 09/11/19 12:44 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Here’s everything u need to know JOC Pan Tek


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SFS96]
    #26180853 - 09/11/19 01:10 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Cool thanks


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mike Hawk]
    #26181065 - 09/11/19 05:39 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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UPDATE: The mystery mushrooms I have found are definitely NOT Bisporus. Germinated the spores, and the myc is nice and fluffy, as opposed to the agar-sticking Bisporus. The mystery continues.





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I don't think you can rule it out based on that.




Agreed. Maybe its not, however its probably to soon to rule out based on that.

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Hi everyone, this is my first post here on the shroomery. So I'm currently in the middle of a cube grow which is going smooth but pans are where my interest really is. So I bought a couple wild prints of pan cyan var Florida from someone on reddit which I am currently trying to clean up on agar (it is extremely dirty so it's been a challenge). Anyway I just have a couple questions about this species and this seems to be the best place to ask.
So first off, once I get this culture cleaned up what exactly should I be looking for when doing sub strain isolations? I know with cubes your looking for the strongest, most rizomorphic growth sectors, but with pans the mycelium looks and grows different.

2nd, as far as bulk subs go I have horse pastures and stables not too far from me so I have access to free manure that is straight hpoo and also to horse manure compost (not sure as to the other contents of the compost is). Which of these would be better for a good sub? Also does it matter what type of straw is used?
Any help would be very much appreciated.





I dont think it matters what type of straw is used, as long as its not fresh/alive; grass clippings, "straw", it all seems to work fine. If you've got two types why not try a wedge on both using very very small jars and see which works best for you.

Now as much as I discourage self-depreciation, I am not the best grower nor even close. I just try stuff using the materials at hand and see what works for me. Maybe one or both of those will work for you.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: High Night Expanse]
    #26181133 - 09/11/19 06:30 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Can someone point me to some nice outdoor teks
I've got a part of garden I'd like to much up

Was thinking grain spawn add and mix in the soil with compose and well ye:shrug:
Any pointers?
Would you say to first grow inside before outside?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Geinstein]
    #26181149 - 09/11/19 06:43 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Geinstein]
    #26181654 - 09/11/19 11:11 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Can someone point me to some nice outdoor teks
I've got a part of garden I'd like to much up

Was thinking grain spawn add and mix in the soil with compose and well ye:shrug:
Any pointers?
Would you say to first grow inside before outside?




There arent many. you will have to settle for woodlovers / cubensis outdoor techs. And yes before wasting spawn grow them inside first, get it working, think about it and then try something new.


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