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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: High Night Expanse]
    #26147634 - 08/22/19 09:19 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Tight Lunchbox said:
Back on topic. How do these do on straw?




Straw alone?  I don't think they do good.  Add poo, they are killer.




Man you are probably helping out so many people keeping your posts up don't let it faze you.


Also STRAW is my go to for pans, it works great I don't add anything else just chopped up straw from maintaining the yard.  Its come to the point where I want to be using colonized sterilized straw to inoculate instead of agar. The myc jumps off of straw very fast.

They don't seem to have any problems with not liking coconut fiber either. There are knots & pins coming up from a uncased straw + coconut fiber spawn run that was way faster than anticipated, and one plain straw cased with coconut fiber. All to see if the stuff is suitable for either or neither. 

My camera is a brick for now so no more pics.

I wonder what everyone thinks about dunking/hydrating before the first flush.




Hey High Night Expanse !

Are you sterilizing straw with a 170°F bath or in jars ?

I tried to find a lazy way to make a good amount of substrate without putting it into jars :
  • 170°F bath for 1h
  • Store-bought manure (already pasteurized)
  • Vermiculite (no need to pasteurize it)

It worked really well for the semperviva & Mexicana, but I've got contams with the pans.

Thx !


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: High Night Expanse]
    #26147640 - 08/22/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Howdy friends. I'm going to start a pan-cake grow this weekend using Mac's tek. Just out of curiosity, how long do Pans take from spores to first flush on average? Is it the same as growing cubes on BRF cakes (six to eight weeks or so)? Specifically, I'm going to try my hand at Pan cyans (Hawai'ians).

ALSO, I was curious about which Pan species was the strongest—subjectively speaking—in people's opinions. (I'm always on the lookout for ways to get more trip per gram, since I have an annoyingly high natural tolerance. I have grown penis envy successfully in the past, but I don't love the way the make me feel physically.)


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Ka Faraq Gatri] * 1
    #26147702 - 08/22/19 09:59 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Just here to say, Mac your work here is awesome. I hope you stay around. I think TC is a little bit of a popularity contest, I wouldn't stress it. Last one (when Asura got his) that came through it was just a thread of "who do you think would make good TCs?" and I think 2-3 people got it. I nominated Jake that time and he didn't get it :shrug: That was the first new TCs in a long time. I think the mods are both no so keen on making more TCs, and also I hear that they think most people who get the TC tag end up leaving the forums, so they're afraid to give it out.

I don't think anyone here thinks less of you for not being a TC. I respect the shit out of your work man.

Also, I'd love to be in the cool pan-kids club, I'm getting there. I have a bunch of pan-aus on both agar and grains (oats). I'm hoping when I get back from camping next (after labor day) I'll start fucking around with my pan-cakes again. I have a few new tricks this time. I'm also not going to put all my ducks in one basket, I'll have agar of pans on standby if shit goes bad. Also working on transferring them to LC. We'll see  :goodluck:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShaperDreaming] * 1
    #26147805 - 08/22/19 11:05 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for all the kind words everyone.  I guess I was feeling a bit depressed last night.  Time to microdose.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Aendir]
    #26148601 - 08/22/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you sterilizing straw with a 170°F bath or in jars ?

I tried to find a lazy way to make a good amount of substrate without putting it into jars :
  • 170°F bath for 1h
  • Store-bought manure (already pasteurized)
  • Vermiculite (no need to pasteurize it)

It worked really well for the semperviva & Mexicana, but I've got contams with the pans.

Thx !




Sterilized straw in containers.
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I tried to find a lazy way to make a good amount of substrate without putting it into jars :




Maybe try clean spawn to coconut instead of manure. There was some coconut fiber in a container after the spawn run, forgot about it for days and there was no mold growing on it or any strong smells.

Also found some wild oysters & reishi recently, got some prints/tissue on agar, and I am pretty excited about it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26148635 - 08/22/19 07:55 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Stops depression and anxiety dead in it's track. And long term relief, too. Weeks and weeks for me.






What do you use specifically to get this effect, like what pan has had the greatest effect for you.
I've just found this thread but this sounds promising.

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Yeah I’m really excited about it pans totally change the game for me I’m just really not that into cubes they give me really bad anxiety and more negative effects than positive. But with pans it’s almost always a good time.




I have the same issue with cubes, they are beneficial but I roll the anxiety dice every time, which totally defeats the purpose for me.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26148683 - 08/22/19 08:30 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Asura said:
Stops depression and anxiety dead in it's track. And long term relief, too. Weeks and weeks for me.






What do you use specifically to get this effect, like what pan has had the greatest effect for you.
I've just found this thread but this sounds promising.

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Jakeoncid419 said:
Yeah I’m really excited about it pans totally change the game for me I’m just really not that into cubes they give me really bad anxiety and more negative effects than positive. But with pans it’s almost always a good time.




I have the same issue with cubes, they are beneficial but I roll the anxiety dice every time, which totally defeats the purpose for me.




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
    #26148698 - 08/22/19 08:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

For me, when I say pans, I mean pan cyans. Not very precise, I know.

It destroys depression. If you are like me and have anxiety...where you wake up
at night and your brain is spinning around so fast you can't sleep...and you're
constantly in a state of worry...or bugging out about shit you did in the past...
or thinking about if everything will be ok tomorrow...what if? what if?

pan cyans stops all that kind of activity cold. At least for me. Glorious peace.
It's been a miracle for me.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26148721 - 08/22/19 09:01 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Asura said:
For me, when I say pans, I mean pan cyans. Not very precise, I know.

It destroys depression. If you are like me and have anxiety...where you wake up
at night and your brain is spinning around so fast you can't sleep...and you're
constantly in a state of worry...or bugging out about shit you did in the past...
or thinking about if everything will be ok tomorrow...what if? what if?

pan cyans stops all that kind of activity cold. At least for me. Glorious peace.
It's been a miracle for me.




asura, your approach is occasional, deep trips, rather than some kind of microdose approach, correct?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26148726 - 08/22/19 09:04 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Asura said:
For me, when I say pans, I mean pan cyans. Not very precise, I know.

It destroys depression. If you are like me and have anxiety...where you wake up
at night and your brain is spinning around so fast you can't sleep...and you're
constantly in a state of worry...or bugging out about shit you did in the past...
or thinking about if everything will be ok tomorrow...what if? what if?

pan cyans stops all that kind of activity cold. At least for me. Glorious peace.
It's been a miracle for me.




This is exactly the case. Thanks for the reply.

@Jake I'll give that thread a read, thanks as well. Much appreciated.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26148946 - 08/23/19 04:15 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Asura said:
For me, when I say pans, I mean pan cyans. Not very precise, I know.

It destroys depression. If you are like me and have anxiety...where you wake up
at night and your brain is spinning around so fast you can't sleep...and you're
constantly in a state of worry...or bugging out about shit you did in the past...
or thinking about if everything will be ok tomorrow...what if? what if?

pan cyans stops all that kind of activity cold. At least for me. Glorious peace.
It's been a miracle for me.




This makes me want dedicate my cultivation time to pan cyans


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #26149001 - 08/23/19 06:11 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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asura, your approach is occasional, deep trips, rather than some kind of microdose approach, correct?




Yeah Jack, big trips. I just kind of know when I need to. This Saturday will be six weeks and it's time again. I really
should have last weekend, but I had my son.

I can tell because I'll start to get short tempered, start ruminating too much on things I can't do anything
about and generally become more introverted and less positive about life. One big trip and I'm good.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26149095 - 08/23/19 07:55 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Have you ever attempted top fruiting your bags instead of crumbling into pyrex?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash] * 1
    #26149148 - 08/23/19 08:35 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Asura said:
For me, when I say pans, I mean pan cyans. Not very precise, I know.

It destroys depression. If you are like me and have anxiety...where you wake up
at night and your brain is spinning around so fast you can't sleep...and you're
constantly in a state of worry...or bugging out about shit you did in the past...
or thinking about if everything will be ok tomorrow...what if? what if?

pan cyans stops all that kind of activity cold. At least for me. Glorious peace.
It's been a miracle for me.




asura, your approach is occasional, deep trips, rather than some kind of microdose approach, correct?




I'm not Asura, but I am here (growing shrooms) for the same reasons. Note: I'm Bipolar II, with general anxiety and chronic depression, and I've been in therapy for over 25 years. I feel like, for a little under 2 years, cubes did this for me (destroyed depression and alleviated anxiety)... and I've kinda lost the love from them lately.

My first 6 months of mushroom therapy was trans-formative.

I was trying to dose as infrequently as possible, but it was like the peaks and valleys of my mental health were getting more and more narrow. I went from dosing every other month, to every 2-3 weeks by the end of year one (this is the closest together treatment that's recommended from long-term practitioners, based on conversation and research). My nausea was ramping up from "barely noticeable" at first to the point that around the end of year one just smelling mushrooms was enough to kick my body into defense mode.

Shortly after year one the peaks were lasting shorter and shorter, and the valleys were getting wider and wider. About 3-4 months ago treatment was only fixing my issues for a few days and I was just in tears sometimes waiting for the next dose in hopes it would work again.

I was recently gifted a "pans sample pack" from a very kind and generous grower, and after my dose a month or so ago the healing power of the mushroom was back. 2g pans did what 5-7g cubes couldn't any more.  The nausea was super low in comparison, and the mental health effects were back. I tried pushing this and tripped again (recreationally) about 8 days later on cubes and it kinda wrecked me. I was met with strong push-back from the mushrooms and was told that I'm going too far with them. It's been at least 4 weeks since the pans and I'm still in good shape, and I'm even taking a longer break again than usual.

Going 5g+ of cubes every 2-3 weeks is hard, but you do what you've got to do that works. I'm very happy for the break from that level of frequency that pans have given me, and I'm currently super dedicated to them... well, I have a lot of myc that I'm working on making fruit at least. Still unsuccessful.

Can I confirm that pans won't slide into the kind of place that cubes have for me? No, not at all. But 2g of pans did more for me than 5g-7g of cubes have for the last 7 months. I'm sure Asura can attest to the near-panic I've been in over cubes starting to fail me, and I can say that there's so much relief in pans.

I know it's all anecdotal, but it's the best we've got in the underground here. I've "professionally" been taking clients on "healing psychedelic journeys" for almost a year now and have over 400 hours of experience with this. Most people do just fine with a regular 2-3 month session of one large dose. I also make micro-doses for clients and tried that for myself for a while as well, and I do not find that they are as effective for myself, though I've seen it work wonders for other people.

I think there's a more dramatic/extreme/far end of the mental health spectrum where strong frequent journeys are the best method, and I think that the other parts of the spectrum work differently with different doses and types based on everything I've seen. But overall, the medicine works. I don't want to dismiss the effects that cubes have either in all this, I guess I just want to say that there's no silver bullet and sometimes it takes a while to find what you need.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #26149245 - 08/23/19 09:33 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I'm so thankful I don't have bad mental health issues. I can't trip nearly as often as I would like to anyway, haha. Not having the medicine sucks, but what sucks even more is having it, yet not being able to use it properly. Sometimes I would kill for ONE evening alone.

That aside, I'd also like to give Pans a shot, but since my Bisporus was a total failure, I'm very inconfident about my low-tek methods. Will probably have to wait. What I love about this thread is that I am learning in the meantime.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #26149251 - 08/23/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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What I love about this thread is that I am learning in the meantime.




Yeah, same. I try to step back when I don't have anything to add here (aside from support!) because I don't want to clog the information stream from people who know more than me. This is one of the few threads that I follow quietly and read far more than I respond :lol:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #26149265 - 08/23/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShaperDreaming] * 1
    #26149301 - 08/23/19 10:02 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Effort goes along way, meaning coupling doses with other healthy practices, in addition to having the faith to act on the message.

The downside to taking to many mushrooms may be becoming so energy aware as not to be able to stand "it" whether it is the fate of the world, a sense of what has been lost/what has not been taught or other people's negative games.

I know some one who finds and takes mushrooms daily when in season. He always complains about people messing with him, and they do, iv seen it and its very subtle but he picks up on it, calls them on it and eventually flips out.

People do this ALL the time. iv yet to come a conclusion on whether its ignorance, or willfulness and how to deal with it. Flipping out over the constant stream of disrespectful ego games people play isn't too appealing to me, go figure :cookiemonster:

Puts the whole neurotic issue in perspective. Something to consider and brings to mind a McKenna quote "you didn't take this to not feel", this shines the spot light on the importance of bringing good vibes into our lives for the times when we become particularly sensitive.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: High Night Expanse]
    #26149504 - 08/23/19 12:26 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Just wanna say hey to all you pan heads. Works been busy so I haven't had any exciting pan grows for a while but ill be back. Didn't want you queers forgetting about me.  :specialralph:


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    #26149520 - 08/23/19 12:40 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Good to see ya Grim! You've been missed!


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