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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Legend21]
    #26138907 - 08/16/19 06:57 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah later on in their life I back off the system a little bit however trop and bisp Like things are a little more wet


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26139868 - 08/17/19 11:25 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Here sum more bam coming up strong,
Still nothing In the trop trays which is a lil behind schedule and then it looks like two overlay trays of ms senguio


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hans Wermhat]
    #26139893 - 08/17/19 11:50 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Sterilized casing layers don't work (they must be pasteurized but not sterilized), but if you add activated charcoal to a sterilized casing layer then it works again. The idea is that beneficial microbes in the casing layer break down certain metabolites produced by the mycelium which are inhibitors to pinning. If you sterilize the casing layer, those beneficial microbes are killed so there's nothing left in the casing layer to break down the inhibitory metabolites. Activated charcoal adsorbs the metabolites "detoxifying" the mycelium surface, so that the mycelium is then free to pin. That's the theory anyway.




This sounds very interesting. Could explain why I could get Bisporus to pin on my first attempt, but never again. I just recased with some decomposed wood dust from the forest, let's see if the theory is correct.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
    #26139929 - 08/17/19 12:33 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I prefer pasteurization for just about everything except wood.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #26140069 - 08/17/19 02:21 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Pan bisp finally making their move


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26140297 - 08/17/19 05:04 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

How many days after first pins is that, Jake?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26140303 - 08/17/19 05:09 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I wanna say 4-5 days


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26140314 - 08/17/19 05:16 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Man those bisp seem pretty difficult. Wonder if the fact their spores die so quickly means less chance of good genetics unless you use extremely fresh spores. Like same day kinda spores lol.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Hans Wermhat]
    #26140318 - 08/17/19 05:20 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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A lot of people have problems with commercial prints not germinating. Not sure about the genetics being inferior. I suppose it's possible. I will say asuras prints performed a lot better than a print I received from a vendor




It's not about genetics. Each mushroom species has different spore viability. Bisporus won't last more than a couple months max. Oyster spores don't stay viable for even a month. Etc.



Damn, didn't know that. How long do Pan cyan spores last? What about tropicalis? Can spore viability be extended with refrigeration? Seems like kind of a pain esp compared to cubes which last years.




Iv got wild prints from years of hunting that still work. Do remember its a spore its meant to survive and reproduce.  Spores are easily viable when fresh and collapse when dry for survival over long periods, this specific info is probably in 'The mushroom cultivator'. Doesn't mean they are dead.  Whoever said rehydrate probably has the right idea. There could be other problems with old spores but that's what agar is for.

In my opinion being cold is a great way from them to dry out.   



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Something I've always wanted to try with stuff that won't fruit despite good conditions is activated charcoal in the casing layer. Something like 5-10% by volume of activated charcoal added to your casing layer recipe.




Why do you think that would help fruiting? PH?



It comes from the old studies with button mushrooms. Sterilized casing layers don't work (they must be pasteurized but not sterilized), but if you add activated charcoal to a sterilized casing layer then it works again. The idea is that beneficial microbes in the casing layer break down certain metabolites produced by the mycelium which are inhibitors to pinning. If you sterilize the casing layer, those beneficial microbes are killed so there's nothing left in the casing layer to break down the inhibitory metabolites. Activated charcoal adsorbs the metabolites "detoxifying" the mycelium surface, so that the mycelium is then free to pin. That's the theory anyway.

My thoughts are that maybe that particular species needs a different type of microbe to break down whatever inhibitory metabolites that it makes. AFAIK though the inhibitory metabolites aren't radically different between species so it's probably not likely. Idk, probably just genetics now that I think about it.




Pretty sure there is information in the same book "The Mushroom Cultivator" on charcoal also being used in the media to promote germination of difficult to germinate spores. And fungi showing up after forest fires.

I know we dont say the "P" word around here LOL, but there books are there.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
    #26140333 - 08/17/19 05:37 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I wanna say 4-5 days




Well my oldest pin is 5 days old now and it's 1.5" tall. It's still growing, though, just
really slowly. I'm getting new pins every day...but honestly...this sucks.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] * 1
    #26140373 - 08/17/19 06:10 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Shit the subtropicalis is moving even slower I got 3 pins now they are getting bigger but about 1/8 the speed of cubes lol. I also moved one of my zap trays into my pan tent. It’s already at 2 months I just wanna see if anything happens. They all look good but no pins yet


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26141679 - 08/18/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Here is some more Bisp coming up you see a bunch of new pins behind the big guys


Then another Alabama this train is right up there with the other heavy yielders like hausteca Haustralian and Australia


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26141684 - 08/18/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Is that bama from a clone?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26141720 - 08/18/19 04:05 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

No but it had been sectored down


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #26141987 - 08/18/19 07:25 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I had some success fruiting some aussies over the last couple weeks. I am wondering why my fruits are so short... Anybody seen dwarfing in the fruits before?



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rad Aghast]
    #26141993 - 08/18/19 07:29 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah that tray looks exactly like the Hawaiians I fruited about a month back. The one's the red spores came from.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26142104 - 08/18/19 09:17 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, any of ya'll see peacefrog's monotub grow? Not a bad haul for this type of grow.

https://mycotopia.net/topic/98337-mono-tubbing-with-pans-grow-log/

IMO, the grow leaves out all of the important details...like details on
the tub itself. How did he manage FAE?

But I was thinking about trying something like this with one of pasty's
new tubs. Plan was to just put the tub in my grow room bc of the temps...
maybe drill some extra holes...and see what happens.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #26142446 - 08/19/19 07:13 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly. There aren't any holes in the tubs. Maybe he left the lid off. :shrug:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rad Aghast]
    #26142595 - 08/19/19 09:41 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Anybody know if it would be detrimental to use a 1:2 ratio or such? With the one four I guess I don’t need much spawn seeing how I only use a half quart of spawn for one Pyrex dish with two quarts of sub.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Legend21]
    #26142647 - 08/19/19 10:22 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

What I and others have seen with higher ratios is
the mycelium will not exit the vegetative state and
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