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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #25921395 - 04/07/19 02:05 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Can one of you smart people tell me how to calculate BE for my pan grow?

My substrate weight is 550g. I am projecting that I will get 20g dry from my first two flushes.

So, for a cube grow this would be pretty shitty, right? The thing is, this is enough for 10 solid, well into Level 5
trips.

I've done 4g of APE. 2g pans are stronger. For a normal cube grow, I would think you would need at minimum,
50g to get the equivalent potency that I will pull from one tray.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25921448 - 04/07/19 02:43 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Looking great like always Jake!
Also, thanks for taking time and answering my question in :pm:

This question that just came up I thought we may just as well share with everyone else. I know you have those great plastic trays for your pans, but would growing pans in a shoebox be of any problems?
(Im thinking about the sides being pretty high compared to the substrate level?
Im guessing its no problem.




I like The trays because they have a lower walls which helps keep constant airflow running across the surface of your substrate

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Can one of you smart people tell me how to calculate BE for my pan grow?

My substrate weight is 550g. I am projecting that I will get 20g dry from my first two flushes.

So, for a cube grow this would be pretty shitty, right? The thing is, this is enough for 10 solid, well into Level 5
trips.

I've done 4g of APE. 2g pans are stronger. For a normal cube grow, I would think you would need at minimum,
50g to get the equivalent potency that I will pull from one tray.



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Asura said:
Can one of you smart people tell me how to calculate BE for my pan grow?

My substrate weight is 550g. I am projecting that I will get 20g dry from my first two flushes.

So, for a cube grow this would be pretty shitty, right? The thing is, this is enough for 10 solid, well into Level 5
trips.

I've done 4g of APE. 2g pans are stronger. For a normal cube grow, I would think you would need at minimum,
50g to get the equivalent potency that I will pull from one tray.





I don’t know the exact weights but I cut 1 quart of colonized Spohn into 4 quarts of pasteurized bulk,
This gives me one tray which if it survives it’s an entire lifecycle will give me between 65 and 80 g dried
I’d say that is equivalent to about 260 g of cubes


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25921597 - 04/07/19 04:25 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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A first for me...every damn cap printed. Nice and dark, too. And that's just the first flush. Really looking
forward to FLOODING the community with these prints. Especially seeing that a top vendor is selling them for $28
a piece.



Will pack them up soon. I really hate cutting foil :lol: If anyone has an awesome technique for wrapping prints,
please feel free to PM me. I just seem to suck at it.





Would love to get ahold of one of these!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25921607 - 04/07/19 04:33 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

i thought b.e. was strictly a ratio of wet weight of produce vs dry weight of substrate. :shrug:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #25921613 - 04/07/19 04:35 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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J. Jack Flash said:
i thought b.e. was strictly a ratio of wet weight of produce vs dry weight of substrate. :shrug:




Ahh, so it's wet weight? So my first flush was 130g wet. So with a sub weight of 550g....my BE is around 24%

Is that right?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25921648 - 04/07/19 04:56 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Yes I think so


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25921651 - 04/07/19 04:57 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

i reckon so.

i never really got the idea of biological efficiency as it pertains to mushcult. for us hobbyists, at least. seems arbitrary, since spawn ratio might positively affect time to final harvest without affecting overall yield so much. so if a higher spawn ratio produces fewer, bigger flushes, and overall yield is roughly the same, BE says you did a lesser job despite potentially saving a bunch of time.

i much prefer the idea of tracking dry weight vs volume of spawn. 1zo per qt or some such. but i guess i read you don't subscribe to conventional spawning methods, so that's not really applicable in your case.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #25921680 - 04/07/19 05:20 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for clarifying. I guess with cubes people do just that...shoot for 1oz per quart. With pans you aren't going
to get those weights, but the potency more than makes up for that.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25921690 - 04/07/19 05:24 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm good point. Ur 24% be would multiply by 3-4 if u went off potency


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25921695 - 04/07/19 05:27 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Asura said:
Thanks for clarifying. I guess with cubes people do just that...shoot for 1oz per quart. With pans you aren't going
to get those weights, but the potency more than makes up for that.



Well shot if ppl are only getting 1oz per quart of cubes then pans are much more profitable because I quite consistently pull aprox 3 oz off a quart ( although with pans I don’t think the amount of spawn directly correlates to your yield.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25921705 - 04/07/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Need a trippin balls per quart measurement :lol:

I've never really measured but I am going to with this jam grow. I was getting 5 flushes off the Aussies and it
never contaminated. I could have kept going but I didn't have space in the FC.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25921747 - 04/07/19 06:01 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Just thinking out loud to myself. I've learned a lot on  these few shoeboxes of P Bisporus. Pinned pretty decent but the fruit size were small until I dialed in a little better. Getting some taller fatties now in later flushes. Even finally got a couple to print. It's been a unique challenge and I'm excited to develop my pan/exotic skills. Most cubes were getting a little too ordinary.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25921854 - 04/07/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

aye, it figures there'd be different weight/spawn ratios by species. the galindoi i'm growing now doesn't seem so prolific as cubes either. tray is still flushing, tho, and i suppose it's further complicated by the whole 'stones' thing. looking forward to adding it all up. asura i think you're right. economically, it makes most sense to compare weight of active alkaloids, but how the fuck do we do that? enter the balls-tripped-per-quart-spawn scale. this demands further research.

grim, glad you're homing in on it, man. been rooting for you.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #25922213 - 04/07/19 11:19 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Got a few new pans I’m putting to dish tonight 1 of which is another never before  cultivated





Can't wait to see what you come up with this time!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Tweeq]
    #25922247 - 04/08/19 12:04 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Ok guys I got sum of the hausteca printed, most are spoken for but I do have some set aside for my cope heads!  If you post in this thread at least once a week. You get first then I’ll open up while supplies last.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25922262 - 04/08/19 12:25 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome of you to share your spores Jake!:rockon:
I do not need one just wanted to still say thanks.

You and me talked about substrate for pans. You said about 65%straw and 35% hpoo. Which I will follow. Been reading this morning and I came across people saying here on the forum that straw easily contaminates. I will still use it like you said, but I would just like to hear if you agree with that statement?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #25922270 - 04/08/19 12:36 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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Awesome of you to share your spores Jake!:rockon:
I do not need one just wanted to still say thanks.

You and me talked about substrate for pans. You said about 65%straw and 35% hpoo. Which I will follow. Been reading this morning and I came across people saying here on the forum that straw easily contaminates. I will still use it like you said, but I would just like to hear if you agree with that statement?

Awesome pictures btw:leocheers:



Yes I hear that a lot and I believe it’s because people do not properly pasteurize. Now you can also run the sterile tech using either LC or a grain to inoculate at which point your chances for contamination are about the same as anything else. Pasteurization takes a little while to do properly and most people want to get it done with in a few hours, However just to get a core temperature of 162°F without ever exceeding 170° takes about three hours or more depending on how much you’re trying to pasteurize. Most things are pasteurized for 12 to 16 hours. So this is how P my bulk.  Mix it all together bring it to field capacity then I get a 2 gallon Ziploc bag and place it in the metal bowl of an electric  pressure/rice/slow cooker. Van load the bag up until it is as full as I can get it without not being able to fill some water in around the bag I try and put at least 2 cups of water in. Then most electric cookers have a keep warm function which conveniently sits at exactly 162°. So I set it to slow cook set for 12 hours and go to sleep then the next day I take it out and set it on a shelf and run another one. I tried to let them sit on the shelf for at least a week after pasteurization to build my microbe count even more. Even with all this 95% of the time you’re contamination is going to come from your Spawn. Especially with pans they move so fast if your Spawn is clean it’s going to run right through. Ur sub before Anything else has a chance to take old


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25922291 - 04/08/19 01:21 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Alright. I can not P as long as you do because I only have a big pot to do it in. I will aim for 2 hours at 160f.

Interesting that you let the bulk sit for awhile, thats good to hear. Means I can prepare the bulk a few days before my grains are done if I have a free day off or something like that.

Great to hear Jake. Since I haven't pasteurized many times at all I think som training wouldn't hurt.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
    #25922382 - 04/08/19 05:03 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Puduwoke, just want to throw this out there. Sterile bulk (with straw of course) works great. I PC all my spawn
bags for 4 hours.

Inoculate with LC and it's ready in 10 days or so.

And once the pans take over, nothing seems beat it. I can't remember the last time I got the green stuff.

All of my problems have been from not being able to keep my humidity dialed in correctly (which means flooded trays)


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25922416 - 04/08/19 05:50 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I hear you Asura.
Im sure I will head in that direction once I had a few successful pan growths under my belt. But lately I had quite a lot of contams in my cube growths so I wanted to really do a lot of transfers and make sure I have clean spawn. (I know tur contams came from me taking shortcuts). But I wanted to do agar>grains>bulk a few times at least to make sure I got my SAB work down.

Now I done over 60 no pour plates and transfers with only like 2 contams. Which for me is good.
So Im getting where I want to be.

Question tho, I know you use tyvek sleeves when PC the substrate. But I do not have access to those right now. Would it work to use a zip tie and close the bag with it above the spawn bag filter ofc. I had success doing so with grain bags before but might be a "bad habit?"
Also 20ml lc might be enough for the sterile substrate bags but I only have 20ml syringes and I rather not use 2 syringes per bag even tho that shouldn't be a problems since they should all be clean..


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