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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25838301 - 02/26/19 05:39 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Interesting. That would be awesome if u could fruit pans in open air. Summer would be my only time for that here. Like a 3 month window lol




I fruit all my pans in open air. Just sitting in trays on a rack inside of a walk in shower.




I was partly inspired by you Asura. My cupboard is probably not as air tight or controlled as the shower, but it's not bad and it does hold the moist air when I have the humidifier on a timer. We will see anyway. Shoe boxes are not well liked by pans, they seem to need the fresh air.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mullugh]
    #25839322 - 02/26/19 03:13 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Asura,

How would you approximate the conditions in your shower if you had to bulid it from scratch without modifying your house? 

I ask so we can replicate it.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: TwonkyD]
    #25839470 - 02/26/19 04:28 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Asura,

How would you approximate the conditions in your shower if you had to bulid it from scratch without modifying your house? 

I ask so we can replicate it.




Well I would just use a small martha in a closest like mary does. You might want to PM her for details about what
kind of humidifiers she uses. I would still use a controller for humidity and a temp controller, but I would
replace the heater with heat bulbs or maybe a heat mat.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25839568 - 02/26/19 05:06 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Got about a quarter size disk of that bisporus on agar I was screwing with a few months back. Out of many many tray I got .2 grams. Ive never been successful at pans, but I have a bit more study now.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Ghostveil25]
    #25841035 - 02/27/19 10:41 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Not sure if anyone's tried mycosupply's dried hpoo pellets but :thumbdown: from me.

I used a mixture of straw/verm and added the hydrated hpoo until I got a consistency that seemed reasonable (if you add too much of the stuff it just turns into a dense patty). I brought it to field capacity, pasteurized it, and then spawned it with colonized oats.

Don't know what it was but that myc is really struggling with that sub. Probably gonna end up tossing it and starting over with a different hpoo.

:crymeariver:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rad Aghast]
    #25841040 - 02/27/19 10:44 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Cow manure compost from the store works way better than any dehydrated manure pellets on the internet. That shit is just dry shit, it's not aged at all. It still smells like shit. Proper poop smells like dirt.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424] * 1
    #25841141 - 02/27/19 11:27 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Lesson learned. That shit is shit. My pan-HI was like "what the fuck man?" :grin:

Problem is - I'll have to order composted manure off the internet too. That shit is frozen rock hard and under 4' of snow at the garden stores.

edit: found some!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rad Aghast]
    #25841768 - 02/27/19 04:23 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Not sure if anyone's tried mycosupply's dried hpoo pellets but :thumbdown: from me.

I used a mixture of straw/verm and added the hydrated hpoo until I got a consistency that seemed reasonable (if you add too much of the stuff it just turns into a dense patty). I brought it to field capacity, pasteurized it, and then spawned it with colonized oats.

Don't know what it was but that myc is really struggling with that sub. Probably gonna end up tossing it and starting over with a different hpoo.

:crymeariver:





I hate to admit it, but I have been ordering poo from Shroom Supply. Shipping costs are a bitch but it's good
stuff.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rad Aghast]
    #25841785 - 02/27/19 04:30 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] * 1
    #25841787 - 02/27/19 04:31 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Ahhh soon i will have my site up and dues paid and will have rdy 2 use poo for much cheaper! Hopefully by end of next month


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hazelnut]
    #25841812 - 02/27/19 04:41 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Quick update and asking for thoughts on next step:

The Pan Jam and Cambo trays both appear to have gotten the green...  RIP.  The casing had a pH of 6 so I know I was rolling the dice. 

Pan Jam


Cambo

Hard to see, but where the myc is peeking out there's tinges of blue in there.  :sad:


I have another Cambo tray that has been consolidating for 10 days (see below).  Thoughts on how to proceed?  I have a casing ready to roll that's at 7.5 pH. It looks like the sub has contracted a bit.  Soak, case, and put to fruit?  Or just case and fruit?



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25841855 - 02/27/19 04:55 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Ahhh soon i will have my site up and dues paid and will have rdy 2 use poo for much cheaper! Hopefully by end of next month




hell yeah! keep us up to date


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 345536345]
    #25841860 - 02/27/19 04:57 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Quick update and asking for thoughts on next step:

The Pan Jam and Cambo trays both appear to have gotten the green...  RIP.  The casing had a pH of 6 so I know I was rolling the dice.
[...]
Hard to see, but where the myc is peeking out there's tinges of blue in there.  :sad:




Are you sure it's not just the myc bruising blue from drying out?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hazelnut]
    #25841884 - 02/27/19 05:04 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

2nd flush of my aussie shoeboxes, about 5 days after soaking & draining substrate (covered sub with 1/4” water, left for 30 min, then drained). Better than the first flush I think. First flush was only 2.5g dry lol. These fruits are so small and seem to have high water content. Learning that pans are thirsty!

Not really changing my conditions, but I think that, with my set up, a high temp around 80F encourages pinning, probably just due to increased evaporation. Once they've pinned, they seem to grow better around 75F, but this could simply be to increased humidity due to lower temperatures, because my setup is quite exposed to dry air.

tub 1:


tub 2:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25841907 - 02/27/19 05:15 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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I hate to admit it, but I have been ordering poo from Shroom Supply. Shipping costs are a bitch but it's good
stuff.




the straight up dehydrated stuff? or have you also tried the pre-past compost (w/hpoo)? I might give it a whirl.  :popcorn:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hazelnut]
    #25841908 - 02/27/19 05:16 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Quick update and asking for thoughts on next step:

The Pan Jam and Cambo trays both appear to have gotten the green...  RIP.  The casing had a pH of 6 so I know I was rolling the dice.
[...]
Hard to see, but where the myc is peeking out there's tinges of blue in there.  :sad:




Are you sure it's not just the myc bruising blue from drying out?




I hope not because they're bagged up in the trash right now...  :smile:  I checked on them pretty frequently and misted if needed.  Dialed down from 99 to 94% RH since no pins for 10 days.  That being said, I don't know.  Any way to tell for sure?  My primary concern was not contam'ing the whole GH and cut my losses.  I wouldn't be sad if you said it looked like simple bruising however - just a learning opportunity.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 345536345]
    #25841991 - 02/27/19 06:07 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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hazelnut said:
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345536345 said:
Quick update and asking for thoughts on next step:

The Pan Jam and Cambo trays both appear to have gotten the green...  RIP.  The casing had a pH of 6 so I know I was rolling the dice.
[...]
Hard to see, but where the myc is peeking out there's tinges of blue in there.  :sad:




Are you sure it's not just the myc bruising blue from drying out?




I hope not because they're bagged up in the trash right now...  :smile:  I checked on them pretty frequently and misted if needed.  Dialed down from 99 to 94% RH since no pins for 10 days.  That being said, I don't know.  Any way to tell for sure?  My primary concern was not contam'ing the whole GH and cut my losses.  I wouldn't be sad if you said it looked like simple bruising however - just a learning opportunity.




I feel it might be bruising :undecided:, because it looks more like a discoloration of the myc itself, rather than a growth that's on top of the myc. But I've only done a few grows, so I'll let the pros weigh in on this.

However I don't think you should be so quick to discard grows for fear introducing spores into the growing environment. There are mold spores everywhere. The number one way to prevent contams is to ensure you have clean spawn as a starting point, and to properly pasteurize your hpoo substrate etc – the natural bacteria retained in hpoo (that's been pasteurized) prevents the germination of other mold spores (and in the case of straight coir, it's naturally resistant to spore germination even without proper pasteurization). I think it was RR who said you could spawn in open air if you have clean spawn

Of course you want to avoid letting a mold contamination sit around for a while, but don't freak out about it IMO

Also, I haven't heard that a pasteurized 50/50 casing with a lowish ph can encourage contamination


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hazelnut]
    #25842420 - 02/27/19 09:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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hazelnut said:
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345536345 said:
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hazelnut said:
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345536345 said:
Quick update and asking for thoughts on next step:

The Pan Jam and Cambo trays both appear to have gotten the green...  RIP.  The casing had a pH of 6 so I know I was rolling the dice.
[...]
Hard to see, but where the myc is peeking out there's tinges of blue in there.  :sad:




Are you sure it's not just the myc bruising blue from drying out?




I hope not because they're bagged up in the trash right now...  :smile:  I checked on them pretty frequently and misted if needed.  Dialed down from 99 to 94% RH since no pins for 10 days.  That being said, I don't know.  Any way to tell for sure?  My primary concern was not contam'ing the whole GH and cut my losses.  I wouldn't be sad if you said it looked like simple bruising however - just a learning opportunity.




I feel it might be bruising :undecided:, because it looks more like a discoloration of the myc itself, rather than a growth that's on top of the myc. But I've only done a few grows, so I'll let the pros weigh in on this.

However I don't think you should be so quick to discard grows for fear introducing spores into the growing environment. There are mold spores everywhere. The number one way to prevent contams is to ensure you have clean spawn as a starting point, and to properly pasteurize your hpoo substrate etc – the natural bacteria retained in hpoo (that's been pasteurized) prevents the germination of other mold spores (and in the case of straight coir, it's naturally resistant to spore germination even without proper pasteurization). I think it was RR who said you could spawn in open air if you have clean spawn

Of course you want to avoid letting a mold contamination sit around for a while, but don't freak out about it IMO

Also, I haven't heard that a pasteurized 50/50 casing with a lowish ph can encourage contamination



If you use a magenifying glass or just shake the jar you will often seen “dust” if it’s a contam however if ifs blue it’s bruising here is a super healthy jar of pan aus bruised in bottom


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hazelnut]
    #25842740 - 02/28/19 05:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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I feel it might be bruising :undecided:, because it looks more like a discoloration of the myc itself, rather than a growth that's on top of the myc. But I've only done a few grows, so I'll let the pros weigh in on this.

However I don't think you should be so quick to discard grows for fear introducing spores into the growing environment. There are mold spores everywhere. The number one way to prevent contams is to ensure you have clean spawn as a starting point, and to properly pasteurize your hpoo substrate etc – the natural bacteria retained in hpoo (that's been pasteurized) prevents the germination of other mold spores (and in the case of straight coir, it's naturally resistant to spore germination even without proper pasteurization). I think it was RR who said you could spawn in open air if you have clean spawn

Of course you want to avoid letting a mold contamination sit around for a while, but don't freak out about it IMO

Also, I haven't heard that a pasteurized 50/50 casing with a lowish ph can encourage contamination




I think you're right.  I pulled them out and put them back in.  They were gently placed in a plastic bag and laid on top of the trash so no major damage or anything.  We'll see how it goes.  I have a nice spray and upped the RH a little and turned down the fan a piece. 

Hoping for the best here!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25842742 - 02/28/19 05:15 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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If you use a magenifying glass or just shake the jar you will often seen “dust” if it’s a contam however if ifs blue it’s bruising here is a super healthy jar of pan aus bruised in bottom





Awesome - thanks Jake!


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