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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 345536345]
#25829502 - 02/22/19 08:18 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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345536345 said: Any suggestions on adjusting pH of a casing already laid? I didn't test the pH of the casing beforehand assuming it would be somewhat decent but it turns out it's in the high 5's / low 6's. Yeah.... This is after calibrating my meter and double checking with some strips. Anyway....
I'm trying to figure out if I should scrape off the casing of the existing trays (currently 10-15% poking through the casing) or dribble / spray some baking soda mixed with water over the top. Thoughts?
Fulvic acid
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25829534 - 02/22/19 08:37 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fulvic acid
Very interesting. I've never heard of this. Is there a particular reason why this would be better / suggested than say baking soda, lime, or some other more traditional additive? I also wonder what the correct amount would be to use (on any of these) to achieve the pH I'm going for. This alone may be the reason to just leave it as it is...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 345536345]
#25829547 - 02/22/19 08:44 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just leave it alone and learn from it. But again Im a beginner myself. Just my 2cents
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#25829576 - 02/22/19 08:54 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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**EDIT: realized that the running the fan is not working with my setup*
Thank you Jake, Mary, Asura! Really appreciate your knowledge and advice, much love <3
Looking forward to applying your notes to my next pan grow
At the moment, I'm trying this process for my shoeboxes: – in the evening: wet the casing using syringe **EDIT: – Put micro-pore tape over lower holes, and run a fan overnight to increase surface evaporation, which encourages pinning** – during the day, remove micro-pore tape from lower holes and leave fan off – to allow sufficient FAE without risking drying out the casing too much (also running a fan all day is not covert enough) – I've replaced the dub tub with the regular shoebox lid. Even though there's less growing room, I think there's something about the dubtub that does not circulate air around the substrate/growing area. I think the the pins stop growing / slow down when I put the dubtub on. I think it's better if the growing area is kept compact, even if the pins end up hitting the ceiling. Next time I'll try a larger mini mono box (around 15qt) so I can have a higher ceiling without needing a dubtub. Too many factors involved to know this for sure, but my feeling at the moment is that dubtubs are not great for pans lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hazelnut]
#25829621 - 02/22/19 09:12 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fulvic acid is a collection of bioavailable nutrients that come from decomposed, organic plant matter, It contains microbes, beneficial bacteria, trace minerals, and other important compounds. Zaps respond well to a fulvic acid (1:10 (h2o) ) mist after the casing is applied. I also wonder if late ph alternations may be part of the key to fruiting WL’s indoors. Anyway you could scrape soak and recase. But with a ph of 4 I’d be surprised if you get much if you leave it.
Check out these monsters! I think I might break a record for indoor pan size with one of these fellers

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25829635 - 02/22/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn those are huge! Nice job Jake. What happended to your super modded tubs? Or are you using them as well as a GH?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#25829643 - 02/22/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Puduwoke said: Damn those are huge! Nice job Jake. What happended to your super modded tubs? Or are you using them as well as a GH?
Thanks man! I only have one tamp tub on the system atm. I will plug a pan hvsta and a subtrop tub into it here soon. (And prolly another aus at some point I really love them) I want to get a few trays of the subtrop first so I can see what parameters they thrive under as they are not pans. I would imagine they will like similar conditions to tamps as they both like fluffy sandy subs and are from similar climates. Got a very cool pan cam culture too that I just put to agar 😉
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25829680 - 02/22/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: Fulvic acid is a collection of bioavailable nutrients that come from decomposed, organic plant matter, It contains microbes, beneficial bacteria, trace minerals, and other important compounds. Zaps respond well to a fulvic acid (1:10 (h2o) ) mist after the casing is applied. I also wonder if late ph alternations may be part of the key to fruiting WL’s indoors. Anyway you could scrape soak and recase. But with a ph of 4 I’d be surprised if you get much if you leave it.
Check out these monsters! I think I might break a record for indoor pan size with one of these fellers
 
Holy crap... nice caps!
Good to know. The pH is basically 6 (or a touch below) so hopefully that's not too low to introduce trouble. On a side note I like your lighting approach.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#25829723 - 02/22/19 10:18 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey Jake. From that tray with the big caps you just sent. How many grams dry/fresh you think that would be? Doesnt look like that good of a flush, but ey Im not saying anything I never even got a fruit so I mean no harm haha. Just you, Asura and Mary spoil us with some of your trays! Just want to know how much of a flush I would need to at least get enough for a good trip on them. So I know what to aim for. At least my first time getting fruits.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#25829761 - 02/22/19 10:42 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Puduwoke said: Hey Jake. From that tray with the big caps you just sent. How many grams dry/fresh you think that would be? Doesnt look like that good of a flush, but ey Im not saying anything I never even got a fruit so I mean no harm haha. Just you, Asura and Mary spoil us with some of your trays! Just want to know how much of a flush I would need to at least get enough for a good trip on them. So I know what to aim for. At least my first time getting fruits.
That tray is only a few days old it will fill out Here is what they end up looking like
 This is a second flush the first flush was about the same maybe a few gs less but not much Here it is harvested wet 
I get about 3 of those a tray. Once u get them dialed in the trays are def worth it. I like my mono mod more but I just don’t need that much lol it’s more of a to see if I can do it kinda thing. I turn most of it into honey Which admittedly you probably lose some potency than if you were to eat them straight but with the amount I put into a thing of honey it doesn’t matter and helps me use em up. a small glob is all you need lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#25829853 - 02/22/19 11:34 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Puduwoke said: Hey Jake. From that tray with the big caps you just sent. How many grams dry/fresh you think that would be? Doesnt look like that good of a flush, but ey Im not saying anything I never even got a fruit so I mean no harm haha. Just you, Asura and Mary spoil us with some of your trays! Just want to know how much of a flush I would need to at least get enough for a good trip on them. So I know what to aim for. At least my first time getting fruits.
General consensus seems to be pans are typically 3-5x the strength of cubes. I've seen 3x stated most often. This would be for dried. I'm not sure what it would be for fresh since I don't know the water content difference between cubes and pans (if there is any).
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 345536345]
#25829857 - 02/22/19 11:36 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pans are more potent fresh I’d say 5x as potent as fresh cubes 3x as potent as dried
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25829877 - 02/22/19 11:45 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: Pans are more potent fresh I’d say 5x as potent as fresh cubes 3x as potent as dried
Thanks guys. That is crazy quite a few trips you got there!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#25829905 - 02/22/19 11:54 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: Pans are more potent fresh I’d say 5x as potent as fresh cubes 3x as potent as dried
Thanks guys. That is crazy quite a few trips you got there! 
Yeah I’m happy both my wife and I micro dose daily. It helps us both immensely! I also macro about every 2 weeks her once a month. But the different species help in different way. If I have a bunch of work to get done and I need to focus I will use tamps for my micro however if I have to go out and socialize I will use pans.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25830030 - 02/22/19 01:01 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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That is great. Happy to hear it helps you. Im looking forward to coming home (currently Traveling in Chile) and doing some agar work with pans, cubes and sclerotia varieties!
Last few times I've had problems with contams. But pretty sure it has been because of me not being very careful. Looking forward to getting it right this time around!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25830112 - 02/22/19 01:44 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Try jello shots 
Tip-Wash them off if they gotta lot of spores it'll make your jello dark.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nimph]
#25830763 - 02/22/19 06:34 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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What jake said about potency. They are crazy. 2g dried with lemon or cranberry tek puts me into a Level 5 hurricane.
I think we need a system to measure BE for pans. It can't just be about weight. You'd have to factor in potency.
@Jake
And damn! I think that is a record for biggest caps ever on an indoor grow. Never seen that ever. I didn't know they could even get that big. You da man!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25830789 - 02/22/19 06:55 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Asura said: What jake said about potency. They are crazy. 2g dried with lemon or cranberry tek puts me into a Level 5 hurricane.
I think we need a system to measure BE for pans. It can't just be about weight. You'd have to factor in potency.
@Jake
And damn! I think that is a record for biggest caps ever on an indoor grow. Never seen that ever. I didn't know they could even get that big. You da man!
Lol thanks man! I’m a fan of yours as well! I agree with you about their size and they are still growing just wait when I harvest lol I could tell early on a few of these would be monsters just because of how quickly they got big and I know the average life span of most fruits.
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#25830831 - 02/22/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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 This is as good as I could squeeze out of these fellers- Pan cy Redspore - I hope to get a few prints out of em.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25830850 - 02/22/19 07:29 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow those look beautiful Mary!
Great job! (Not surprised)
@Asura - You agree with hes dosing then I take it? Would you say 1g pans is around give and take 3.5g cubes?
Sorry I remember this been up before some where in this thread, but I trust you guys judgment a lot more, espesially when it comes to Panaeolus cyancescens.
Feel free to comment on the dosing you too Mary
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