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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25819839 - 02/17/19 08:31 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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seriously, washing jars sucks. Sometimes I just reuse them without washing gets pc'd anyways right? Lol I'm such a lazy cultivator.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25819962 - 02/17/19 09:49 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Trich is worse now imobservation cause all the other bacteria is dormant in the enviorment.
I only seem to have trich problems when is gets cold or summer muggy.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25820648 - 02/18/19 10:26 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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hazelnut said: my pan cyan aussie update
I'm at day 6 of fruiting conditions ... I dreamed I had pins but the woke up for find that were none lol
I drilled 5 1/4" holes on each long side of my shoeboxes, and replaced the upper tubs with the shoebox lids. I figure that the air will flow between the loose fitting lid of the shoeboxes and the 1/4" holes, providing enough FAE
Though I'm not too hopeful of fruits at this point
room temp: 75β80F room relative humidity: approx 30% misting: twice per day I tried running a fan in the room a few times, but the walls of the tubs dry out, so I stopped doing this
Has anyone had success with basic pan mono tub set ups with such low room humidity? My understanding is that the room's humidity should not matter too much, that it's the surface humidity that we are concerned about, and it's the casing layer that provides this surface humidity β as long as the casing remains moist (which is it in my case), it should be OK. But am I trying to apply a cubensis rule to a pan grow with this reasoning?
I have fruited pans in a 17qt mini mono before, but it was in summer with very high room humidity
Another question: do you think I have enough light getting through those lids?

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Asura said: @hazelnut
Those boxes actually look pretty good to me. When you mist, what is the casing layer like? Is it drying out?
The room temps seem fine, but you may need a way to get more air and increase the evaporation rate.
It's looking drier when i come to mist, but still moist. I'm worried I might have been over-misting actually
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mary fairchild said: I'll chime in on that lighting setup- not good with the opaque lids.
How is this?

Thank you both!
so I left my set up for a day without lighting or misting, and I found some very weak looking pins in two of the front tubs. This leads me to think maybe I was overmisting.
It's interesting that only the two front tubs have pins β maybe they are getting more FAE because they are more exposed
Are these small pins the result of low FAE?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hazelnut]
#25820698 - 02/18/19 10:59 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Another pan aus clone tray Gonna take more clones off these
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: BuffGuts]
#25820740 - 02/18/19 11:25 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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BuffGuts said: Anyone have a good Pan Cyan Tek? Purty please.
I recommend that you read the journals of Mary Fairchild, there is a wealth of information and knowledge in them, not to mention they are some of the prettiest grows I've seen.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Doc9151]
#25821053 - 02/18/19 02:08 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gonna run these instead of jars, see if it fixes my problem
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hazelnut]
#25821187 - 02/18/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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hazelnut said:
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hazelnut said: my pan cyan aussie update
I'm at day 6 of fruiting conditions ... I dreamed I had pins but the woke up for find that were none lol
I drilled 5 1/4" holes on each long side of my shoeboxes, and replaced the upper tubs with the shoebox lids. I figure that the air will flow between the loose fitting lid of the shoeboxes and the 1/4" holes, providing enough FAE
Though I'm not too hopeful of fruits at this point
room temp: 75β80F room relative humidity: approx 30% misting: twice per day I tried running a fan in the room a few times, but the walls of the tubs dry out, so I stopped doing this
Has anyone had success with basic pan mono tub set ups with such low room humidity? My understanding is that the room's humidity should not matter too much, that it's the surface humidity that we are concerned about, and it's the casing layer that provides this surface humidity β as long as the casing remains moist (which is it in my case), it should be OK. But am I trying to apply a cubensis rule to a pan grow with this reasoning?
I have fruited pans in a 17qt mini mono before, but it was in summer with very high room humidity
Another question: do you think I have enough light getting through those lids?

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Asura said: @hazelnut
Those boxes actually look pretty good to me. When you mist, what is the casing layer like? Is it drying out?
The room temps seem fine, but you may need a way to get more air and increase the evaporation rate.
It's looking drier when i come to mist, but still moist. I'm worried I might have been over-misting actually
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mary fairchild said: I'll chime in on that lighting setup- not good with the opaque lids.
How is this?

Thank you both!
so I left my set up for a day without lighting or misting, and I found some very weak looking pins in two of the front tubs. This leads me to think maybe I was overmisting.
It's interesting that only the two front tubs have pins β maybe they are getting more FAE because they are more exposed
Are these small pins the result of low FAE?

First of all- congrats! You have something..... why did you say the pins look weak, do you think they aren't growing or that they are growing slowly? I dont know for sure if smaller shrooms result from a lack of fae or fast air exchange (a fan). I never used that type of setup for Pans.
The closest format I did to what you are doing in those shoeboxes was when I did my first Pan grow in trays in an SGFC. I did get kinda small product from that grow so it's possible. I spent a lot of time watering that perlite and fanning. I have seen some mono tub grows of Pans that are even closer to what you are doing that worked fine. I think sometimes its just the genetics you end up with.
Just keep the surface looking damp- either syringe watering or misting , if the pins look wet (shiny) then dab them or fan them. If you are convinced that something is wrong then I guess you could consider drilling a couple of bigger holes in one of the trays and stuffing it with polyfill, see if it makes a difference, or comparing the two extremes- one tray with mostly taped over holes vs another with all open holes.
My mistake about those lids, If enough light gets thru those lids for cubes then I cant say anything one way or the other for Pans. I need to spend more time on the main thread.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25821935 - 02/18/19 10:58 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: Gonna run these instead of jars, see if it fixes my problem

I'm also thinking of using bags for spawn. But everybody on the shroomery seems to work with jars. Any special reason for that?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#25822155 - 02/19/19 05:45 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jars are reusable.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424]
#25822232 - 02/19/19 06:43 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's just cooler man!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Caps McGee]
#25822308 - 02/19/19 07:40 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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idk but if this works well ill be glad to be rid of jars or at least use them less. im getting lazier in my old age.... I love the environment.... but it sure feels a loosing battle. im starting to think VR existence is coming within my lifetime. y else would the powers that be care so little? any way I digress. just like glass dishes... I don't have time for that so plastic it is
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25822358 - 02/19/19 08:32 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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This IS VR existence bro...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Caps McGee]
#25822361 - 02/19/19 08:34 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: This IS VR existence bro...
Very true. Iβm already more βrealβ online than βreal lifeβ All most people I interact with in the world know about me is my appearance as I walk by..... Yβall know me more than that already.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25822375 - 02/19/19 08:43 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Right? And don't know what you look like!
I meant in a literal way: like this reality is a simulation... we're on the verge of simulated simulation lol (if not the case already as well)... the real deal may actually contain all 11 dimensions we can illustrate mathematically...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Caps McGee]
#25822381 - 02/19/19 08:51 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: Right? And don't know what you look like!
I meant in a literal way: like this reality is a simulation... we're on the verge of simulated simulation lol (if not the case already as well)... the real deal may actually contain all 11 dimensions we can illustrate mathematically...
Oh brother we could get into standard model and string theory and have a blast Iβm sure. Especially with both the discovery of gravitational waves and the HB. Honestly I donβt think we have any idea how our reality works. They are going to increase the power at cern 10 fold in search of tiny black holes hidden within the quantum foam. This would prove additional dimensions and explain a source of the massive dark matter all around us that shouldnβt exist (if matter and dark matter were equal they would cancel each other out so the theory is that our reality is layed in dimensions and energy flows over from one to the next (like overflowing pools) bleeding thru the infinite black holes all through out quantum foam.... however they may very well distroy the world, galaxy, universe??? trying to prove this
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25822404 - 02/19/19 09:11 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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mary fairchild said: First of all- congrats! You have something..... why did you say the pins look weak, do you think they aren't growing or that they are growing slowly? I dont know for sure if smaller shrooms result from a lack of fae or fast air exchange (a fan). I never used that type of setup for Pans.
The closest format I did to what you are doing in those shoeboxes was when I did my first Pan grow in trays in an SGFC. I did get kinda small product from that grow so it's possible. I spent a lot of time watering that perlite and fanning. I have seen some mono tub grows of Pans that are even closer to what you are doing that worked fine. I think sometimes its just the genetics you end up with.
Just keep the surface looking damp- either syringe watering or misting , if the pins look wet (shiny) then dab them or fan them. If you are convinced that something is wrong then I guess you could consider drilling a couple of bigger holes in one of the trays and stuffing it with polyfill, see if it makes a difference, or comparing the two extremes- one tray with mostly taped over holes vs another with all open holes.
My mistake about those lids, If enough light gets thru those lids for cubes then I cant say anything one way or the other for Pans. I need to spend more time on the main thread.
Thank you Mary
Here's some more pics of the best-performing tray (the next day). I guess "weak" was a bit harsh lol β but they are super thin and small, I don't think they'll end up that big.
In your experience, do you find too much, or lack of, water has much impact on fruit size?
Is it possible for the sub to lose too much water, even when the casing moisture is maintained?
This is great advice, thank you, I'll try making some variations between the hole/polyfil situations and compare tubs.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: hazelnut]
#25822435 - 02/19/19 09:36 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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I postulate them to be of alternate positions of the same ... what it is AND what it is not
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Caps McGee]
#25822441 - 02/19/19 09:39 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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I definitely think we all worry about it way to much. Or maybe that's just because I believe when we die, we die, so it really doesn't matter.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424]
#25822453 - 02/19/19 09:50 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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From spawn bags to VR and the simulated reality we possibly live in.. In three easy steps:) That's good stuff guys!
But since I haven't developed any habits yet I'll try both. Go cool with Jars and also go not so cool with spawnbags
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#25822770 - 02/19/19 01:31 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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