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Asura
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424]
#25818963 - 02/17/19 01:48 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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nube424 said: And aluminum pans are flimsy. I used them, and regretted it. Pan mycelium doesn't hold the substrate together like cubes. If the pan twists, so will the substrate, and it breaks the mycelium. Then it has to heal itself and is just counter productive. I won't use aluminum pans again that's for sure.
That is a very good point!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25818980 - 02/17/19 01:55 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Asura said: Same here, if you can spare a print I'd like one, too. I haven't ever been able to get Hawaiian's going. Bad luck with vendors. Would be nice to get these and some fresh pan jams back in circulation like everyone has done with the Aussie's.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25818981 - 02/17/19 01:55 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Brain Bulb said: So my Aussie tray just kept putting out aborts. Conditions were set and verified, just didn’t want to fruit so I tried something last night.
I completely removed the existing casing, which was too thick to begin with, and re-cased with straight peat. Not getting my hopes up but figured I have nothing to lose and should document it.
Pics of casing with aborts:

After removing casing:
 
New casing:

Yeah BB, what Asura said, that last tray looks real shallow. I know the sub contracts some, but still that last pic of the tray with new casing looks very shallow. When you first cased and went to fruiting- you should have been at the rim of the tray or no more than ~1/4 inch below the rim of the tray.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25818986 - 02/17/19 01:57 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Home Depot has lock lid low wall trays in sets of 3 (plus 2 small trays) for 9 bucks. They are clear yet sturdy easy to clean unbreakable and come with a locking lid which keeps out contams
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rad Aghast]
#25819016 - 02/17/19 02:18 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Rad Aghast said:
Your temperature issue brings up a question I have been pondering for a while now around the entire concept of FAE. I understand it to mean that fruiting conditions require FAE because (1) it leads to evaporation in the microclimate (MC), and (2) because it eliminates waste gases. Order of importance is: (1) being most important, then (2). What I wonder is if you're already controlling your GH humidity, and its a fairly large (standard 4-tier) GH, cant you just put a pc fan somewhere "near" (but not pointed at) your trays to get the air moving around them? You would entice more evaporation and clear the MC of waste but you wouldn't be introducing a bunch of ambient air that results in temp fluctuations. This is how I interpreted blue-helix's setup... that he was running pc fans in the chamber to get the air in the MC moving... not that he was using them to introduce outside air. I could be wrong on that though.
I'm wondering that myself. That's why I have the PC fan and the wicking humidifier. I have a small fan controller coming in that will allow me to adjust the speed of the PC fan. Ideally I'd like to have as you say - the PC fan keeping things moving a bit (without pulling too much new air in) and then really introducing FAE with the wicking as desired.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25819030 - 02/17/19 02:24 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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mary fairchild said:
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Brain Bulb said: So my Aussie tray just kept putting out aborts. Conditions were set and verified, just didn’t want to fruit so I tried something last night.
I completely removed the existing casing, which was too thick to begin with, and re-cased with straight peat. Not getting my hopes up but figured I have nothing to lose and should document it.
Pics of casing with aborts:

After removing casing:
 
New casing:

Yeah BB, what Asura said, that last tray looks real shallow. I know the sub contracts some, but still that last pic of the tray with new casing looks very shallow. When you first cased and went to fruiting- you should have been at the rim of the tray or no more than ~1/4 inch below the rim of the tray.
Thanks guys! I have some peat left that’s already pasteurized. I didn’t add enough sub at the beginning. Had about a half inch to the top of the tray and think I packed the sub down too much.
Haven’t had success yet but I’m learning from each attempt. If this doesn’t work I believe I’ll have everything dialed in for the next batch.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25819129 - 02/17/19 03:30 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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I gotcha on all those solid points! I learned that "flexing" lesson with my seedling trays and do not fuck with it at all. I got 4 quarts of ms pan aussie wbs spawn colonizing atm, and im thinking about trying a few different methods with it, Yall think a quart for each standard Pyrex 13"x9" is safe? I can't seem to find a tek for the pyrex, sorry for my lazyness I got everything but the poo so far, I'm also debating baked cacti soil casing vs the verm/gypsum or peat ratios. And whether real sun dried poo vs bagged Is 4 quarts enough or should I go big with more?? This is my first pan grow 
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25819131 - 02/17/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said:
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I’ve actually been running two different approaches for this ... The more I try and push these parameters the more I realize that to really give these mushrooms what they want you need spikes because you can’t evaporate and hydrate at the same time.
Interesting - so you're having success at inducing pinning and you're definitely taking the approach that FAE means full air exchanges of the entire grow climate (as opposed to just disturbing the air at the fruiting interface). How are you controlling the re-humidification after the air exchange - with a timer?
Man - I totally have a new DSM diagnosis. MOCD - myco-obsessive-compulsive-disorder.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ChocolateMilk]
#25819139 - 02/17/19 03:34 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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ChocolateMilk said:
I got 4 quarts of ms pan aussie wbs spawn colonizing atm, and im thinking about trying a few different methods with it, Yall think a quart for each standard Pyrex 13"x9" is safe?
with a 2 inch sub depth that would be 1:4 v:v. sounds perfect based on others logs.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Rad Aghast]
#25819296 - 02/17/19 04:37 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here we go... Let me know your thoughts.
Got some Pan HI that's not quite there yet. Not surprising as each culture I've worked with for these guys have been SLOW.
Got some Pan Cambo (Sandose) which appear to be ready to case? Two days ago this was at like 10% on the surface.
And a Pan Jam (pic taken in different location with different / warmer lighting). I have some contam concerns with this one as the other jars I worked with appeared to have thick white blobs that could've been myc, but also could've been infection of some sort. The jar used for this guy seemed clean. Not sure I'm going to take the chance though putting it in the GH though.

Now... I pasteurized two big jars of 50/50+ last weekend. Would I be fine to repasteurize those jars for two hours or should I just make up new casing and pasteurize?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 345536345]
#25819596 - 02/17/19 07:04 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi 34, Looking nice, my vote: FOR SANDOSE- since you have two trays, i'd consider taking one tray to fruiting immediately(casing->fruiting conditions). Let the other tray consolidate longer. If the first tray behaves itself and doesn't overlay then take the 2nd tray to fruiting. If the first tray overlays badly then let the 2nd tray consolidate for a total of ~7->10 days before casing/fruiting it.
JAMS- Take it to fruiting & see what happens-depending on where its sourced from you may have overlay problem, if not then maybe not.
HAWAII- if you are having problems with slow colonization- if growth appears to be stopping then just case it and see what happens, its your judgement- if you think its still colonizing then just wait. When I did Hawaii in mini rounds colonization was SLOW but I got product in the end.
RE-PASTEURIZE THE CASE or even sterilize it- but it may lose too much water in the process so you might want to bring it to field capacity, or at least make sure its at field capacity before you re-pasteurize it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25819676 - 02/17/19 07:31 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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mary fairchild said: Hi 34, Looking nice, my vote: FOR SANDOSE- since you have two trays, i'd consider taking one tray to fruiting immediately(casing->fruiting conditions). Let the other tray consolidate longer. If the first tray behaves itself and doesn't overlay then take the 2nd tray to fruiting. If the first tray overlays badly then let the 2nd tray consolidate for a total of ~7->10 days before casing/fruiting it.
I really like this idea - thanks. For the consolidation time I'm assuming you mean 7-10 days starting from now right?
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JAMS- Take it to fruiting & see what happens-depending on where its sourced from you may have overlay problem, if not then maybe not.
Sounds good. Yeah I debated even trying this variant because of all I've read about overlay but since I'm this far with it why not right?
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HAWAII- if you are having problems with slow colonization- if growth appears to be stopping then just case it and see what happens, its your judgement- if you think its still colonizing then just wait. When I did Hawaii in mini rounds colonization was SLOW but I got product in the end.
This and all my other HIs have been slow. I have to think somebody has a better source for these guys. So far slow and steady however - I just would like faster to beat out potential contams of course. It seems I've gotten difficult or slow genetics from two top vendors. If I get fruits however it sounds like some of the other folks here are looking for some prints so I'll be sure to share what I got.
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RE-PASTEURIZE THE CASE or even sterilize it- but it may lose too much water in the process so you might want to bring it to field capacity, or at least make sure its at field capacity before you re-pasteurize it.
That's what I figured - I'm in the midst of re-pasteurizing it now and may give it a little extra time for good measure...
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: 345536345]
#25819712 - 02/17/19 07:42 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Aww man the struggle is real just looked in my lab trich hit me hard lost a lot of jars (mostly pan aus). Hoog and zap still look good but I got to figure out what’s causing it. I don’t think it’s the flow hood because my dishes look fine. 16 jars in all! And a Tamp tray! It’s always something
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25819739 - 02/17/19 07:50 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn dude.. sorry to hear that. We're they all prepped the same day? Maybe something went wrong with the pc run? Sometimes I get stoned and turn the heat off too early 
That sucks tho. Fuck trich.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424]
#25819760 - 02/17/19 08:01 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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nube424 said: Damn dude.. sorry to hear that. We're they all prepped the same day? Maybe something went wrong with the pc run? Sometimes I get stoned and turn the heat off too early 
That sucks tho. Fuck trich.
I’m not sure exactly, I’ve been having some trouble with jars going bacterial and stalling out and now this I think part of it is old a jar lids I’m going to do a run of 1 qt Spohn bags next and see if that fixes my problem also going to do a full clean of all the rooms I’m hoping I don’t have to replace my flow hood filter yet but it might be time.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424]
#25819770 - 02/17/19 08:05 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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34 said: I really like this idea - thanks. For the consolidation time I'm assuming you mean 7-10 days starting from now right?
Yes- if you case one tray now then consolidate the other for 7-10 days from now- but if your fruiting tray is not showing overlay then at that point case it.
Jake- Sorry to hear of the contamination problems, I know how you have been keeping your grow room clean with the HEPA- thats what makes it such a bummer- especially in the winter- that stuff shouldn't be floating around.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25819779 - 02/17/19 08:08 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ugh... sorry to hear that Jake! Sounds like you have a good plan of attack though.
Mary - thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25819793 - 02/17/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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34 said: I really like this idea - thanks. For the consolidation time I'm assuming you mean 7-10 days starting from now right?
Yes- if you case one tray now then consolidate the other for 7-10 days from now- but if your fruiting tray is not showing overlay then at that point case it.
Jake- Sorry to hear of the contamination problems, I know how you have been keeping your grow room clean with the HEPA- thats what makes it such a bummer- especially in the winter- that stuff shouldn't be floating around.
Yeah luckily the grow room has not broken out with contams, (thank you isolated hepa filtered fc’s) but I’ve definitely had a point of diminishing returns with my contamination rate lately on migraine jars I’m really hoping it’s just old lids letting stuff in. The oat and millet while much cheaper and easier to prep than rye to seem more prone to bacteria. However I always boiled my ride berries before pressure cooking and I no heat prep the oat and millet. But it’s not in tire runs turning sour which makes me think it’s my old jar lids. Yes but winter is supposed to be contam easy and has been so far, just gotta tighten up procedure. I should have sum of the hoog trays in fc in the next few days and I still got a few good pan hvsta jars. Gonna double down on sum kratom and go into deep clean mode lol
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25819802 - 02/17/19 08:15 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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What kinda filter u use on ur jars? That was my second guess, but I figured it would be obvious to u if the filter material was fucked. I use poly, and just change it out every few months cuz Idk how Long it's supposed to last.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424]
#25819815 - 02/17/19 08:22 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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nube424 said: What kinda filter u use on ur jars? That was my second guess, but I figured it would be obvious to u if the filter material was fucked. I use poly, and just change it out every few months cuz Idk how Long it's supposed to last.
I use micropore tape over my holes. Works great at first but I don’t think it’s the filter where my contamination is getting in I think it swims the ring on the lid shrinks that little rubber gasket printed on the bottom of the lid that and the lid itself warps I think that’s the problem. I will find out here soon I got a whole run of those quart size size spawn bags. I only have a so-so success with large Grain spawn bags (often stalling out) so I’m anxious, but if they work well I will be glad to be rid of washing jars.
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