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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25727401 - 01/06/19 02:54 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

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Hi ya'll! I had an extra agar plate, so I'm joining this thread. I noc'ed it up with Pan Tropicalis India... I can't seem to find any good grow info on this, and I'm assuming I can't just grow this like it's a cube. I used the search, and browsed this thread, but just feeling a little unsure of what is best practices right now. Any pointers?




no you do not grow it like a cube,its a pan, you want to keep you sub thinner (2"-2.5")
and they are going to require more fae. your gonna want manure in ur sub ive been using 60% shredded straw 35% poo 5% verm pasturizr then cut in ur spawn in at 25% allow 5-10 days to colonize ur bulk then case with peat and verm balanced to 7.5 ph incubate over night mist casing in the am in put into fc mist the first 3 days then back off to induce pinning


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25727755 - 01/06/19 06:15 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

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Do you think maybe a modified shoebox would perform better than shoebox in mono? I have some 14qt boot boxes I could easily modify. I have bisporus on wbs right now. 4 quarts and it's been 3 days since I transferred from agar. Leaped off nice!!




I just found bodhi's shoebox writeup for the first time where he just puts a grocery bag over top. Thinking that might be better than a shoebox in a mono


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #25727864 - 01/06/19 07:08 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)


I dropped accidentaly the tub these guys where in, had to harvest what was in it since the sub broke into pieces :uhoh: :cryariver:
This is myy first pan cyan alabama grow, pretty forgiving variety i would say given all the overlay i have seen around here


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25727969 - 01/06/19 07:58 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

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no you do not grow it like a cube,its a pan, you want to keep you sub thinner (2"-2.5")
and they are going to require more fae. your gonna want manure in ur sub ive been using 60% shredded straw 35% poo 5% verm pasturizr then cut in ur spawn in at 25% allow 5-10 days to colonize ur bulk then case with peat and verm balanced to 7.5 ph incubate over night mist casing in the am in put into fc mist the first 3 days then back off to induce pinning



The straw I'm ok with, but is there anything I can sub for poo? Is compost OK?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25727978 - 01/06/19 08:04 PM (5 years, 24 days ago)

some folks have used bagged composted manure like black kow(tm). i'm trying that right now. reports have been mixed.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25728011 - 01/06/19 08:19 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

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Jakeoncid419 said:
no you do not grow it like a cube,its a pan, you want to keep you sub thinner (2"-2.5")
and they are going to require more fae. your gonna want manure in ur sub ive been using 60% shredded straw 35% poo 5% verm pasturizr then cut in ur spawn in at 25% allow 5-10 days to colonize ur bulk then case with peat and verm balanced to 7.5 ph incubate over night mist casing in the am in put into fc mist the first 3 days then back off to induce pinning



The straw I'm ok with, but is there anything I can sub for poo? Is compost OK?



yeah I have always needed it to fruit em supposedly it can be done without but general rule is u use poo for pans

whats ur objection to using poo?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ElViajero]
    #25728017 - 01/06/19 08:22 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

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I dropped accidentaly the tub these guys where in, had to harvest what was in it since the sub broke into pieces :uhoh: :cryariver:
This is myy first pan cyan alabama grow, pretty forgiving variety i would say given all the overlay i have seen around here




Congrats El!
Alabamas are fun- I especially like that the genetics are almost wild type. Looks like they are growing right out of a jar?- Is it PFtek?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ElViajero] * 2
    #25728030 - 01/06/19 08:26 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

For anyone considering going the greenhouse route as a fruiting chamber for Panaeolus

Been meaning to post this for awhile,
This is a relatively simple setup that i've been using for ~1.5 years & mostly geared toward fruiting Pans. Its a system that has worked well for me.
Its a mini indoor greenhouse, has got 4 tiers (shelves) but I typically dont use the bottom two tiers because it just doesn't work with this config:



At the bottom of the GH, on the left is a wicking humidifier and on the right is a 28L bin; on the rack on top of the bin- the egg shaped thing is an ultrasonic humidifier. The bin has water thats heated to ~95F with and an aquarium heater, (a warm water bath). So the area of the bottom two shelves of the GH are taken up by the humidity appliances. On the shelf above- is an appliance fan.
The wicking humidifier is always on, ie. it has a fan that is always on, by itself it raises the relative humidity in the GH to~76% to 79%; thats from ~30% ambient. The wicking humidifier with the warm water bath running brings the humidity to~85%.
Adding the ultrasonic humidifier, I can get the humidity pretty much up to 100%.  The appliance fan on the shelf above is needed to move and disperse the mist to the top of the GH. The ultrasonic is slaved to an "Inkbird" controller. I like to place the humidity sensor at the top, at a level just above the surface of a tray, the most important place IMO.

The GH is in a closet. Heat is provided by two seedling heat mats and a space heater. The space heater is under the control of a temperature controller. The sensor for the temperature is also placed just above the surface of a tray. Airflow is from bottom to top in this setup.

For cyans, this setup has coaxed this yield and similar yields from past grows:



The config. does have drawbacks, but those drawbacks have nothing to do with how well it promotes fruiting.
I have lots of pics of Pans that were fruited in this GH- here's Pan bisporus from a recent grow:


Thoughts, suggestions, questions?


Edited by mary fairchild (01/07/19 01:30 AM)


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
    #25728056 - 01/06/19 08:38 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

Thanks!  I’m just getting in to pans so will be building one of these soon.
:leocheers:

Think a soul vides instead of an aquarium heater would be overkill?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
    #25728072 - 01/06/19 08:43 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

omfg,

some pages back i mentioned having my own ideas which i expected to fail. it's basically this, except mine is much more diy (read: ghetto) cause that's just what i do, mushcult and otherwise. only just got all the components together, some of it built. a few pieces left to design, and then to dial it all in.

thanks so much for posting this. it's very encouraging.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
    #25728099 - 01/06/19 08:57 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

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whats ur objection to using poo?



Mostly it's not easy to get in my city. Also, no where to store excess that I'm bound to have.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #25728129 - 01/06/19 09:15 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

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omfg,

some pages back i mentioned having my own ideas which i expected to fail. it's basically this, except mine is much more diy (read: ghetto) cause that's just what i do, mushcult and otherwise. only just got all the components together, some of it built. a few pieces left to design, and then to dial it all in.

thanks so much for posting this. it's very encouraging.




Hi J.Jack,
Yeah- I was kinda excited to get anything started so rather than putting the ultrasonic outside the GH and piping humidity in I just put it i the GH- after a little fiddling and tweaking  I was getting some good production. You can get a mini GH from Amazon or the local gardening center for under $40.
The mycelia doesn't care how you do it as long as it gets what it wants. Since it worked ok I stayed with it for almost 2 years now.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SunnyDayze]
    #25728142 - 01/06/19 09:27 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

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Thanks!  I’m just getting in to pans so will be building one of these soon.
:leocheers:

Think a soul vides instead of an aquarium heater would be overkill?





As long as the bin could take the heat??- The aq. heater only gets the temperature up to ~95F. If you could get the temperature higher (with something) you'll have more evaporation- hence higher humidity in the GH, means you won't have to use the ultrasonic as much.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
    #25728206 - 01/06/19 10:03 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

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mary fairchild said:
For anyone considering going the greenhouse route as a fruiting chamber for Panaeolus

Been meaning to put this out for awhile,
This is a relatively simple setup that i've been using for ~1.5 years & mostly geared towards fruiting Pans. Its a system that has worked well for me.
The configuration is probably simpler than most- its a mini indoor greenhouse, has got 4 tiers (shelves) but I typically dont use the bottom two tiers because it just doesn't work with this config:



At the bottom of the GH, on the left is a wicking humidifier and on the right is a 28L bin; on the rack on top of the bin- the egg shaped thing is an ultrasonic humidifier. The bin has water thats heated to ~95F with and an aquarium heater, (a hot water bath). So the area of the bottom two shelves of the GH are taken up by the humidity appliances. On the shelf above- is an appliance fan.
The wicking humidifier is always on, ie. it has a fan that is always on, by itself it raises the relative humidity to~76% to 79% in the GH; thats from ~30% ambient. The wicking humidifier with the hot water bath running brings the humidity to~85%.
Adding the ultrasonic humidifier, I can get the humidity pretty much up to 100%.  The appliance fan on the shelf above is needed to move and disperse the mist to the top of the GH. The ultrasonic is slaved to an "Inkbird" controller. I like to place the humidity sensor at the top, at a level just above the surface of a tray, the most important place IMO.

The GH is in a closet. Heat is provided by two seedling heat mats and a space heater. The space heater is under the control of a temperature controller. The sensor for the temperature is also placed just above the surface of a tray. Airflow is from bottom to top in this setup.

For cyans, this setup has coaxed this yield and similar yields from past grows:



The config. does have drawbacks, but those drawbacks have nothing to do with supporting fruiting.
I have lots of pics of Pans that were fruited in there- here's Pan bisporus from a recent grow:


Thoughts, suggestions, questions?



Awesome grows! Stunning photos!! What do you shoot with? I have a canon 1300d that takes some good pics.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
    #25728218 - 01/06/19 10:12 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

so what i have going so far, i have a home spun shelf setup from parts saved from the dumpster. wrapped the whole thing with plastic sheet and mylar backed bubble insulation. we have a five gallon bucket full of water on the bottom shelf, into which i installed a 1kW water heater element. the heater runs on my temp controller through a 1kW dimmer to adjust power output. the temp controller probe is in the air below the top shelf. pc fan inside circulating the air, and a separate thermocouple keeps an eye on the water temp.

made the initial heater run last week, i raised the interior air temp to 76f from about 65f ambient. water temp topped out at around 125f. i just got a humidistat and ran it once yesterday, humidity got to ~75%. i have ideas to use nylon rope to wick warm water up from the bucket and point the fan across it. after that there's the idea to use pond foggers in the bucket controlled by the humidistat, but i'd like not to need that. aiming for simplest possible control setup.

sunnydaze, i considered a sous vide myself instead of that heating element in the bucket. i believe it would work but was concerned about the electronics being inside the high humidity environment. it would be a lot easier, tho.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Subfinder]
    #25728220 - 01/06/19 10:14 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

Thanks Subfinder,
I use a Canon Elph- point and shoot; its older and maybe ~8mp. After seeing Saraloves inspiring photo's I started playing around with the lighting. I may even get a tripod.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
    #25728250 - 01/06/19 10:35 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

mary that is awesome!

I just added an aquarium heater to my bucket fogger this weekend...because I feel like my mist is too cold.
Unfortunately it's not powerful enough. So will be getting a more powerful one.

Really like the idea of having the heated bucket of water in the chamber. Genius.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #25728251 - 01/06/19 10:35 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

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J. Jack Flash said:
so what i have going so far, i have a home spun shelf setup from parts saved from the dumpster. wrapped the whole thing with plastic sheet and mylar backed bubble insulation. we have a five gallon bucket full of water on the bottom shelf, into which i installed a 1kW water heater element. the heater runs on my temp controller through a 1kW dimmer to adjust power output. the temp controller probe is in the air below the top shelf. pc fan inside circulating the air, and a separate thermocouple keeps an eye on the water temp.

made the initial heater run last week, i raised the interior air temp to 76f from about 65f ambient. water temp topped out at around 125f. i just got a humidistat and ran it once yesterday, humidity got to ~75%. i have ideas to use nylon rope to wick warm water up from the bucket and point the fan across it. after that there's the idea to use pond foggers in the bucket controlled by the humidistat, but i'd like not to need that. aiming for simplest possible control setup.

sunnydaze, i considered a sous vide myself instead of that heating element in the bucket. i believe it would work but was concerned about the electronics being inside the high humidity environment. it would be a lot easier, tho.




So you are really going DIY! I applaud the effort:cheer:
One thing, that I learned from my own experiences- its best not to raise the temperature inside the fruiting chamber too much above the temperature in whatever room or closet? that the fruiting chamber sits in, to avoid condensation(dew) forming on all the surfaces. For the wicking-or maybe a bunch of smaller diameter nylon strings side by side to give a bigger surface area.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25728290 - 01/06/19 11:03 PM (5 years, 23 days ago)

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mary that is awesome!

I just added an aquarium heater to my bucket fogger this weekend...because I feel like my mist is too cold.
Unfortunately it's not powerful enough. So will be getting a more powerful one.

Really like the idea of having the heated bucket of water in the chamber. Genius.




For a while I have meant to write-up my GH setup- I think its pretty basic- except for the controllers.

Are the foggers ok with the extra heat?
I know, what i've been seeing is that the temperature in the closet (outside the GH) is well above 80F while the temperature inside the GH is markedly cooler-I'm attributing that to an evaporative cooling effect- i'm hoping that reflects in part from evaporation from the trays which is of course, a good thing. 

With all that said- the problem with having the electronics INSIDE the GH that is ~95% humidity... Some may worry about shorting out but its really not that bad- its just that the metal shelf racks get rusty in the area where the mist from the ultrasonic is concentrated. I also think the electronics will live longer if they are outside the GH.

I'll be asking you more about your setup in the future- its past time to update this thing.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
    #25728414 - 01/07/19 01:55 AM (5 years, 23 days ago)

What do you do about the water dripping out the bottom of the greenhouse?
Do you have a catch tray underneath? If so how are you emptying that ?


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