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Asura
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CzM8]
#25710013 - 12/29/18 03:27 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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shroomms said: i've heard it prevents overlay
Unfortunately it does not appear to. At least if it is genetically disposed to overlay. There were some particularly nasty pan jam grows over the summer where consolidation was tried. I tried it and it made no difference. Overlay hell.
Pan Jam's are what I'm using. Did you notice anything that might make overlay more likely? I saw someone did a post or journal on overlay and mycelium. Maybe it was Mary?
Yes this was mary.
Here's some pics that show undesirable myc (pan jams).
 
Even on plates, it's thick and cottony and grows very aggressively. Even trying to select from the thinner, weaker growth on these plates, I still had problems.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25710066 - 12/29/18 03:55 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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wait so, if it colonizes very thickly like that its prone to overlay?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25710069 - 12/29/18 03:55 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jakeoncid419 said: G’mornin mates!

Beauties! Are you growing like a regular mono or did you make adjustments for the species? Temp, humidity, etc.
Trying my damndest to get my first tray to fruit. The SB I started Xmas day is looking much more promising though.
Yeah I’m actually finishing my mods now I’ll make a write up gimmie a few hours
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25710083 - 12/29/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Paneolus Bisporus spawn bag is starting to show growth!

This was my first attempt at a LC. Received a print from @MaryFairchild, used a sterile swab to collect spores from print and stirred into a GSW based liquid.
Thanks @MF for all your help!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25710126 - 12/29/18 04:23 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whats your substrate? Looks rocky
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25710240 - 12/29/18 05:18 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Horse poo, straw, coarse verm and WBS.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25710449 - 12/29/18 07:02 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here we go guys so I’m going to go over both my pan FC’s First let’s do the mono tub. So for these I have a reptile fogger feeding into a milk jug. Then hoses branching off the jug into my mono tubs. The expansion chamber allows larger water droplets so collect on the side and drop back down as the fog adjusts to room temperature (condensation). I have the fogger plugged into a cycle reset timer set to kick on 4 min every 45. 

Next I have my 02 condenser. Now before I go into design let’s go over some chemistry. Your average everyday air looks something like this Nitrogen 78.08% by volume 20.95%-oxygen 0.93%-Argon, 0.033%-carbon dioxide 0.0018%-Helium 0.0002%-methane
and well there are trace amounts of Krypton dinitrogen oxide (N2O) hydrogen xenon and ozone. Air is the commercial source for many of the gases it contains. It is separated into its components by fractional distillation of liquefied air. Before air is liquefied, water vapor and carbon dioxide are removed, because these substances solidify when cooled and would clog the pipes of the air liquefaction plant. The dry, CO2-free air is compressed to about 200 atmospheres. This compression causes the air to become warm, and the heat is removed by passing the compressed air through radiators. The cooled, compressed air is then allowed to expand rapidly. The rapid expansion causes the air to become cold, so cold that some of it condenses. By the alternate compressing and expanding of air, most of it can be liquefied. The absolute pressure exerted by a given mass of an ideal gas is inversely proportional to the volume it occupies if the temperature and amount of gas remain unchanged within a closed system. that gives you an idea of how the oxygen condenser works.
now on to boyle's law: The absolute pressure exerted by a given mass of an ideal gas is inversely proportional to the volume it occupies if the temperature and amount of gas remain unchanged within a closed system. or PV=K
this means you must maintain a equal ratio between gases (unpressured) while the ratios of o2 co2 etc can fluctuate this means that in an unpressured nitrogen will always stay at 79% 
so what does this mean? this means that getting pure fresh air to the sub is the most oxygen you can give it (in a unpressured environment) however since the sub eats the O2 and gives off CO2 and most household air is not optial ratio, the o2 Condenser ensures that i maintain optimol ratio in the tub. the tubs are a combined 267 liters, the condenser puts out 6 liters of o2 every minute, that means the condenser replaces all the air in the tub every 44.5 minutes. the constant influx of air also forces my co2 out the bottom and this is why you want your holes cut directly above your sub, co2 being the most dense of all the gases in air falls right out as the optimal ratio air takes its place. ok so i have my codenser running into a sealed water bottle which then feeds into the tubs and attach to the bottom of the lid
 the humidifier lines easily come out so i can get to the lower bins


next im going to attempt a pressurized grow to see if pushing the o2 levels up even higher is beneifital, a mix must still be maintained as pure o2 will suffocate carbon based lifeforms. in order to exchange gases the must be two gases to exchange.
ok on to the martha this is much more simple just a humidifier running up a hose into top of tent then a hepa filter fan blowing down. the other is the same except instead of a fan blowing in i have one sucking air thru a hepa filter on the bottom ( i know its baackwards but that fan rplaces all air in a matter of seconds so it does not really matter)




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] 1
#25710730 - 12/29/18 11:07 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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forgive me, i'm still trippin' a bit. but i'm captivated.
wow, that's crazy elaborate. thank you for posting. how long did it take you to set this up? when the fogger kicks on, do the tubs completely fill with mist? and do you continue this misting after pins develop? (for that matter, is it just pan cyans that abort when they're sprayed?)
i recall RR said in response to someone asking about putting plants in a grow space to provide oxygen that fungus doesn't need extra o2, fungus needs fresh air. how convinced are you that supplemental oxygen makes a significant impact on outcomes? unrelatedly, i've been working on nasa's clean air plants list, trying to improve air quality in my house, and was starting to think about putting some in the hobby room. what could it hurt?
disputations: your description of the oxy concentrator isn't how they work. you have described the industrial scale process. home air concentrators use pressure and adsorption to separate nitrogen from everything else, and push that everything else out the hose, venting the nitrogen back to the ambient space. also, co2 concentrations in the atmosphere haven't been at 330ppm for a while. they're more like 400ppm or so now. indoors, they're generally a little higher than that.
can't wait to see how you construct your pressurized setup. what kind of pressures are you talking about?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#25710762 - 12/29/18 11:39 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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J. Jack Flash said: forgive me, i'm still trippin' a bit. but i'm captivated.
wow, that's crazy elaborate. thank you for posting. how long did it take you to set this up? when the fogger kicks on, do the tubs completely fill with mist? and do you continue this misting after pins develop? (for that matter, is it just pan cyans that abort when they're sprayed?)
i recall RR said in response to someone asking about putting plants in a grow space to provide oxygen that fungus doesn't need extra o2, fungus needs fresh air. how convinced are you that supplemental oxygen makes a significant impact on outcomes? unrelatedly, i've been working on nasa's clean air plants list, trying to improve air quality in my house, and was starting to think about putting some in the hobby room. what could it hurt?
disputations: your description of the oxy concentrator isn't how they work. you have described the industrial scale process. home air concentrators use pressure and adsorption to separate nitrogen from everything else, and push that everything else out the hose, venting the nitrogen back to the ambient space. also, co2 concentrations in the atmosphere haven't been at 330ppm for a while. they're more like 400ppm or so now. indoors, they're generally a little higher than that.
can't wait to see how you construct your pressurized setup. what kind of pressures are you talking about?
i did most of it today but i have changed things around several times but i built the mono tub design in about 4 hours. ive been experementing with the o2 condenser for a few month now and it definatly made a difference on the tamps and pans not so much on the cubes. im not completly convinced that it does in fact the pressurized grow most likely wont work. i do think that keeping you atmosphere at higher levels and mosving is better than less o2 and more co2 and moving. i figured my condenser worked a little differently i just figured it was a smaller version of the gas plants.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Psilosopherr] 1
#25710818 - 12/30/18 12:15 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psilosopherr said: wait so, if it colonizes very thickly like that its prone to overlay?
In the case of the pan jams this was the case. Here are some early Aussie plates I had. There is a distinct difference. A lot more wispy. A lot of weird sectoring too. I like myc that looks like this.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25711094 - 12/30/18 06:57 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25711170 - 12/30/18 07:57 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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my old man used to be on one of those oxy machines. he also kept a giant goldfish tank. well one year, there was a long power outage at his place. something like three days. he had to rely on his canned o2. well, he noticed the fish were getting more and more sluggish in the tank. they weren't themselves, he said. i watched as he dunked an o2 hose in the water, and in seconds, those goldfish woke right up. clearly, they needed oxygen.
i have some pan cyans jars going right now. at least i think they are. they're on the shelf right next to some cubensis jars. all on oats which i prepared the same way, on the same day. well, before i shook the pans yesterday, there was a remarkable difference in the jars, apart from the mycelium. the pan jars had a lot more condensation on the insides of the glass, mostly up in the headspace. this suggests to me a more vigorous metabolism. that would suggest a greater need for o2. could be wrong. anyway, thanks for posting up your experimentation. keep it up.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#25711190 - 12/30/18 08:08 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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J. Jack Flash said: my old man used to be on one of those oxy machines. he also kept a giant goldfish tank. well one year, there was a long power outage at his place. something like three days. he had to rely on his canned o2. well, he noticed the fish were getting more and more sluggish in the tank. they weren't themselves, he said. i watched as he dunked an o2 hose in the water, and in seconds, those goldfish woke right up. clearly, they needed oxygen.
i have some pan cyans jars going right now. at least i think they are. they're on the shelf right next to some cubensis jars. all on oats which i prepared the same way, on the same day. well, before i shook the pans yesterday, there was a remarkable difference in the jars, apart from the mycelium. the pan jars had a lot more condensation on the insides of the glass, mostly up in the headspace. this suggests to me a more vigorous metabolism. that would suggest a greater need for o2. could be wrong. anyway, thanks for posting up your experimentation. keep it up.
Nope ur right pans move faster and use up more o2, ur pan jars should be rdy a few days before ur cubes, mine are on oat and millet mix. Everything loves it except PE. Idk y but my PE jars have been contaminating left and right, I’m using different dishes so it’s not that idk y I guess just cuz slow colonization. Last two cubes I’m gonna run and they have to both me slow AF (ape & enigma)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread *DELETED* [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25711730 - 12/30/18 02:51 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shroomms]
#25711792 - 12/30/18 03:32 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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good luck with fruiting,
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash] 1
#25711837 - 12/30/18 03:58 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here sum good clusters popping up
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25711868 - 12/30/18 04:11 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice one Looks like you've got some red spores dropping too Beautiful shrooms.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25711892 - 12/30/18 04:25 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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space_shrooms said: Nice one Looks like you've got some red spores dropping too Beautiful shrooms.
thanks bro yup I want to let em go a lil longer before I start stealing caps lol. ill be printing all I can so ill be sure to swpread the love around. I really enjoy them I took about 15gs of wet pans and 35gs of wet tamps last night ground up in a smoothie. VERY INTENSE!!! I was open eye dreaming fully blinded by color swirls at times. strong wall of anxiety as it hits then body restlessness and eye watering.lots of deep breaths and good weed (sour Jack)but laying there during the peak eyes opean flying across alien planets truly incredible!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419]
#25711920 - 12/30/18 04:40 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Any thoughts on this culture? I had a clean looking germination plate and several of my transfers look like this.

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