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shroomms
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread *DELETED* [Re: dmar]
#25692339 - 12/20/18 06:24 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Reason for deletion: I wanted to! Thank-You!
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Asura
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shroomms]
#25692354 - 12/20/18 06:32 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have shit loads of Blue Helix threads archived but I can't find the exact one I am looking for.
He talks about the importance of dialing in the room OUTSIDE of your FC. What are your temps in the room itself? What is the RH in the room itself?
That stuff is important with pans. He specifically says that the delta between the two should be MINIMAL.
And I agree.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25692438 - 12/20/18 07:20 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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@Asura
So should I focus more on getting my FC to match my room? Or try to turn my room into one large FC basically? Unfortunately I don’t have the space for a GH right now so for me to maintain a room at 80F w/ 99% RH is going to be difficult.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25692636 - 12/20/18 09:25 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Geinstein said: 2 weeks no pins
You're going to have to start playing with your fruiting parameters...temperature, humidity and FAE. How are you attempting to fruit?
SGFC Mist twice a day then fan There cased and I'll need to patch soon There in grow room with the rest of my shrooms and near a window sometimes there's a little breeze
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25692734 - 12/20/18 10:22 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Brain Bulb said: @Asura
So should I focus more on getting my FC to match my room? Or try to turn my room into one large FC basically? Unfortunately I don’t have the space for a GH right now so for me to maintain a room at 80F w/ 99% RH is going to be difficult.
Thats partly how I do it. Get the temperature outside the fruiting chamber (FC) to ~ where you want it. I don't try to get the HUMIDITY outside the FC to any swamp like conditions. A wicking humidifier is sufficient. Actually if you have a lot of evaporation inside the fruiting chamber, which is what you want, the temperature INSIDE the FC should be less than the temperature outside the FC because of a "swamp cooler effect" caused by the evaporation. I get that all the time with my GH setup.
So if you are constrained to doing the fruiting in say an 8X10 size room rather than a closet, you could either heat that room with a space heater- could get expensive unless you can come up with a cheaper way- or just try to do the fruiting at closer to the ambient temperature. The issue is up in the air about the best temperatures for fruiting Pans, but some Pan species seem to benefit from warmer temperatures.
I do a GH in a closet setup- heated mainly with two ~20X20 seedling heat mats supplemented with a space heater.
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Geinstein
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Normal outside temps by me is deadly(temps of 90f and some days even above 100f) So I've got my SGFC near window it dose not get light from the window but dose sometimes get a breeze In the grow room I have oyster setup with a few monotubs of cubs going at the moment Its cooler inside then out but I have no idea what the temps are.
Should I get something to check temps? If to high what do I do? If to cool what do I do?
As you guys can see first time growing these fuckers I really badly want to ad least get a mushy or two.
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Asura
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25692774 - 12/20/18 10:46 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Brain Bulb said: @Asura
So should I focus more on getting my FC to match my room? Or try to turn my room into one large FC basically? Unfortunately I don’t have the space for a GH right now so for me to maintain a room at 80F w/ 99% RH is going to be difficult.
All I am saying is this...you have a little space where you are growing, right? I don't know what your FC looks like or what you are doing. But there are certain conditions that need to be met. Primarily temps, humidity and FAE. Right? You want these consistent.
I think the idea is that it is easier to maintain these conditions if your over all environment is dialed in.
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Asura
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mary fairchild said:
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Brain Bulb said: @Asura
So should I focus more on getting my FC to match my room? Or try to turn my room into one large FC basically? Unfortunately I don’t have the space for a GH right now so for me to maintain a room at 80F w/ 99% RH is going to be difficult.
Thats partly how I do it. Get the temperature outside the fruiting chamber (FC) to ~ where you want it. I don't try to get the HUMIDITY outside the FC to any swamp like conditions. A wicking humidifier is sufficient. Actually if you have a lot of evaporation inside the fruiting chamber, which is what you want, the temperature INSIDE the FC should be less than the temperature outside the FC because of a "swamp cooler effect" caused by the evaporation. I get that all the time with my GH setup.
So if you are constrained to doing the fruiting in say an 8X10 size room rather than a closet, you could either heat that room with a space heater- could get expensive unless you can come up with a cheaper way- or just try to do the fruiting at closer to the ambient temperature. The issue is up in the air about the best temperatures for fruiting Pans, but some Pan species seem to benefit from warmer temperatures.
I do a GH in a closet setup- heated mainly with two ~20X20 seedling heat mats supplemented with a space heater.
^^^ Gold right here. Yes.
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Geinstein]
#25692818 - 12/20/18 11:10 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Geinstein said: Normal outside temps by me is deadly(temps of 90f and some days even above 100f) So I've got my SGFC near window it dose not get light from the window but dose sometimes get a breeze In the grow room I have oyster setup with a few monotubs of cubs going at the moment Its cooler inside then out but I have no idea what the temps are.
Should I get something to check temps? If to high what do I do? If to cool what do I do?
As you guys can see first time growing these fuckers I really badly want to ad least get a mushy or two.
You have the opposite situation. Just get a standard thermometer to put in the FC, At the store, if possible check a number of thermometers- there always seems to be at least one oddball thermometer that gives a significantly different reading than all the others, so of course you dont want to get one of those. If you want to get an idea of the humidity try one of those pet shop , first calibrate it. those cheap non digital hygrometers eventually stop working.
What species are you growing? For example I've heard of people growing Pan cyans at up to 90F. Personally I wouldn't go over 85F. As far as high temperatures i've grown bisporus at 80F.
If you think the temperature IN the fruiting chamber is too high you could try to increase the evaporation rate- soak the perlite once a week and fluff up the perlite to enhance air movement from the holes on the bottom, make sure the SGFC has open space around it. Whenever you fan the trays make sure to mist them first.
Edited by mary fairchild (12/20/18 11:18 PM)
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space_shrooms

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Mary, this is probably a stupid question but do you put the seedling heat mats under the trays? I considered doing this but thought it would cause problems by heating the substrate unevenly.
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25692863 - 12/20/18 11:51 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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space_shrooms said: Mary, this is probably a stupid question but do you put the seedling heat mats under the trays? I considered doing this but thought it would cause problems by heating the substrate unevenly.
To me its NOT a stupid question,
Just intuitively- those heat mats are radiant heat sources- in nature heat comes from above at least during the daytime. I wouldn't put the mats below the trays. Seems best to have that radiant heat coming from ABOVE, or any heat sources for that matter. I hang the mats from the closet rod above my GH.
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Geinstein
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mary fairchild said:
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Geinstein said: Normal outside temps by me is deadly(temps of 90f and some days even above 100f) So I've got my SGFC near window it dose not get light from the window but dose sometimes get a breeze In the grow room I have oyster setup with a few monotubs of cubs going at the moment Its cooler inside then out but I have no idea what the temps are.
Should I get something to check temps? If to high what do I do? If to cool what do I do?
As you guys can see first time growing these fuckers I really badly want to ad least get a mushy or two.
You have the opposite situation. Just get a standard thermometer to put in the FC, At the store, if possible check a number of thermometers- there always seems to be at least one oddball thermometer that gives a significantly different reading than all the others, so of course you dont want to get one of those. If you want to get an idea of the humidity try one of those pet shop , first calibrate it. those cheap non digital hygrometers eventually stop working.
What species are you growing? For example I've heard of people growing Pan cyans at up to 90F. Personally I wouldn't go over 85F. As far as high temperatures i've grown bisporus at 80F.
If you think the temperature IN the fruiting chamber is too high you could try to increase the evaporation rate- soak the perlite once a week and fluff up the perlite to enhance air movement from the holes on the bottom, make sure the SGFC has open space around it. Whenever you fan the trays make sure to mist them first.
Really thanks man There Pan cyans Jamaican and soon going to spawn Hawaii
I used Poo cakes and crumbled it in trays. (poo cake 1 part Hpoo 1 part PF tek mixed in and nocked up with clean agar)
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J. Jack Flash
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great insights ms. fairchild, thank you!
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Geinstein]
#25693511 - 12/21/18 10:45 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Geinstein said:
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mary fairchild said:
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Geinstein said: Normal outside temps by me is deadly(temps of 90f and some days even above 100f) So I've got my SGFC near window it dose not get light from the window but dose sometimes get a breeze In the grow room I have oyster setup with a few monotubs of cubs going at the moment Its cooler inside then out but I have no idea what the temps are.
Should I get something to check temps? If to high what do I do? If to cool what do I do?
As you guys can see first time growing these fuckers I really badly want to ad least get a mushy or two.
You have the opposite situation. Just get a standard thermometer to put in the FC, At the store, if possible check a number of thermometers- there always seems to be at least one oddball thermometer that gives a significantly different reading than all the others, so of course you dont want to get one of those. If you want to get an idea of the humidity try one of those pet shop , first calibrate it. those cheap non digital hygrometers eventually stop working.
What species are you growing? For example I've heard of people growing Pan cyans at up to 90F. Personally I wouldn't go over 85F. As far as high temperatures i've grown bisporus at 80F.
If you think the temperature IN the fruiting chamber is too high you could try to increase the evaporation rate- soak the perlite once a week and fluff up the perlite to enhance air movement from the holes on the bottom, make sure the SGFC has open space around it. Whenever you fan the trays make sure to mist them first.
Really thanks man There Pan cyans Jamaican and soon going to spawn Hawaii
I used Poo cakes and crumbled it in trays. (poo cake 1 part Hpoo 1 part PF tek mixed in and nocked up with clean agar)
Jams like it pretty warm- 80+, so you have that going for you. If all goes well expect fruiting ~day 6. A strain of Jam from one of the vendors in the USA likes to overlay. I did my first Jam grow in an SGFC at ~80F- I misted and fanned it quite a bit. It was crazy potent.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: J. Jack Flash]
#25693515 - 12/21/18 10:47 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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J. Jack Flash said:

great insights ms. fairchild, thank you!
Thanks J. , good luck with your grows. & Happy Holidays to all!
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nube424


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How tolerant are bisporus to cooler temps? I mean I've heard they don't mind it. Will they fruit around 65-70F?
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424]
#25693552 - 12/21/18 11:04 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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IDK about 65-70 but they have been fruited in the 70's. I'd certainly give it a try since they have been collected in temperate zones.
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nube424


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Oh I definitely am. Already have it germinated on agar and I'm pouring more so I can make some transfers tonight. I'll have to find a way to warm it then, impossible to keep my place above 70 all the time. It's cold as hell here.
Edited by nube424 (12/21/18 12:07 PM)
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space_shrooms

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mary fairchild said:
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space_shrooms said: Mary, this is probably a stupid question but do you put the seedling heat mats under the trays? I considered doing this but thought it would cause problems by heating the substrate unevenly.
To me its NOT a stupid question,
Just intuitively- those heat mats are radiant heat sources- in nature heat comes from above at least during the daytime. I wouldn't put the mats below the trays. Seems best to have that radiant heat coming from ABOVE, or any heat sources for that matter. I hang the mats from the closet rod above my GH.
Glad I asked. That makes sense. Thanks
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25695673 - 12/22/18 10:38 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Heat mats are often a dirty word on the site but they have helped me save money on my electric bill, you just have to be careful how you use them.
Edited by mary fairchild (12/22/18 11:19 AM)
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