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mushboy
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pics of pmp?
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Its All Energy
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy]
#25673516 - 12/11/18 11:56 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: pics of pmp?
Sorry, I don't have a camera, but plan on getting one within the month. It really sucks not being able to post pics. I'm a big time PMP advocate, even a fuckhead like me can grow great Pans with them. Best of all it's fully automated. If only I can get my spawn clean...
I'll describe it though:
-$10 90qt Sterilite tote. Clear body but lid is white. Filled with about 2 1/2 to 3 inches of water.
-The wire mesh elevating the aluminum lasagna trays is called Galvanized Steel Hardware Cloth. It's fairly sturdy and is just cut and bent into a simple platform to hold the trays above the water. No rust.
-Simple table lamp hooked up to timer on 12/12 light schedule. Outside on the side of the totes.
-For temperature control I use a space heater in my room, but might turn on/turn up an aquarium heater that is within the PMP and submerged in water if I feel like it's too dry. I have to be careful though because if I turn it up too high it gets really wet in there and water drips down from the lid. Tektonic has no problem with excess humidity and wet caps causing aborts. He describes his chamber as very foggy. I think this is because the huge amount of air exchange keeps the mushrooms healthy. He uses a whopping 100 gallon air pump in a single chamber. That's gotta be a site record for air exchange and humidity:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=30&Number=10629682&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#10629682
-Each tote has a black, bendy tube thing connected to a 10 gallon air pump that disperses bubbles. I had green bubble wands that were a little less bubbly and floated to the top if they weren't weighted down. I stopped using those because the black tubes dispersed more air and didn't need to be weighted down. Both airstone types fell apart on me and I had to fix them with RTV.
A cased Panaeolus tray fruited great before they contaminated, got 20 wet grams which is not horrible, though I know it's kind of a shitty yield. Very healthy and robust fruits with not a single abort. Oddly enough, I have a spare Cubensis tray in there that pinned before the Panaeolus. It's fruiting like shit, but I think it might be genetics. Had this culture a while and it always fruited shitty and aborted a lot. The Pan Cyan actually finished before the Cubes did. Or maybe my grow method is more optimized to Panaeolus vs Cubensis. Like I said, I'm still learning.
I'm experimenting with fruiting uncased Panaeolus trays in my PMPs (I just put 5 in today!). Didn't case because they are a bit bacterial and am worried casing will speed up contamination, and also I want to experiment more with fruiting uncased Panaeolus trays since I've gotten uncased cakes and colonized, sterilized bulk sub transferred from quart jars to lasagna trays to pin. Also, for some reason I just have more success when I spawn grain to bulk vs cakes and precolonized bulk. I think there wasn't enough air exchange with my past setup to keep them from aborting. The good news is that the pin color is the best I've seen yet since I've used my black bendable airstones.
Feel free to comment.
Edited by Its All Energy (12/12/18 06:05 AM)
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Adas
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I would love me a Bisporus print. Must be fresh though, I think they lose viability quickly. Also heard they are the most potent Pan.
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Its All Energy
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#25673681 - 12/12/18 04:57 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Adas said: I would love me a Bisporus print. Must be fresh though, I think they lose viability quickly. Also heard they are the most potent Pan.
My Bisporus print is extremely viable after at least 4 months, alternating storage between room temp and the fridge. Bi Spores seem fairly hardy to me, especially compared to other species.
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Adas
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That's good news. But last time I got a bisporus print, by the time I got to it all the spores were gone from it, invisible. Prints get lighter over time, if they are light to begin with they become literally invisible. And probably inviable as well.
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mushboy
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Its All Energy said:
Feel free to comment.
pmps, air stones and this post linking mycowilly ?? ..and no pics??
thats all
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tryptkaloids
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy]
#25674149 - 12/12/18 10:21 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: linking mycowilly ??
no wonder why you're getting outdated info. Willy myco still cant even avoid side pins...
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nube424


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nube424 said: Hey y'all, I just received a pan bisporus print from a member here and I was wondering if there's any advice on germinating these spores? I plan to make a nutrient pour agar, maybe on the soft side? I'm thinking 1g nutrients with 5g agar and 250ml water?
Any advice on this specific type is appreciated. Not sure how they differ from cyans, if at all.
Agar is a good choice and is how I did mine. I've only grown out one tray of Bisporus but have 9 months worth of moderately successful Pan Cyan growing experience, so I'm still learning myself:
I think they differ the most out of all Paneolus strains and species. Every other Panaeolus has thick, cottony mycelium that can overlay, but Bisporus mycelium is very light and sparse but ravenous and can colonize a casing layer completely without overlaying. It almost looks like cobweb mold or some other contamination. Pins take about a week longer than Pan Cyans to appear, but do so all over a fully colonized casing. Colonized casing looked the same as the colonized coir, manure, and verm substrate, which makes me think it can fruit well without a casing, which I will definitely experiment with when my spawn is ready.
Bisporus is the only Panaeolus I've been able to get 4-5 flushes out of, but that might be due to dirty Pan Cyan spawn/sub and my shitty skills/technique. Still, I'm sure not having an uncolonized casing layer like with Pan Cyans helped. It was just very resistant to contamination and produced well despite me putting it through different experimental conditions and growing methods/chambers. I found it to be more potent and visual than Pan Cyans. It also gave me the worst nausea of my life and I was unable to puke, but looking back, I think that was because I overlooked being properly hydrated and didn't drink enough water and flush out my system properly before dosing.
If I can get Bisporus to fruit well without a casing and can trip without enduring immense pain, and can puke by being properly hydrated, it will be my favorite Panaeolus due to it's growth characteristics and potency. I might even drop my other Panaeolus species/strains, but that's a bold statement I won't commit to yet.
For reference, my current grow chamber is a modified PMP. 72-77F temp from space heater. 10 gallon air pump with a good air tube with good, slightly annoying bubbling. A quieter bubble wand seemed to be too restrictive for bubbles and might have limited proper air exchange. Simple bent wire mesh to keep trays elevated above water. I have some backup aquariun heaters to experiment with upping humidity if i think it's getting too low. I use aluminum lasagna trays since high walls around the substrate seem to block horizontal air flow.
Thank you for the time u spent writing that. I'm 10 times more excited to grow them out now!!
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nube424


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#25674333 - 12/12/18 11:51 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Adas said: That's good news. But last time I got a bisporus print, by the time I got to it all the spores were gone from it, invisible. Prints get lighter over time, if they are light to begin with they become literally invisible. And probably inviable as well.
I've gotten a few prints like that. Sometimes there's still some there
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Its All Energy
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy] 1
#25674354 - 12/12/18 12:07 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: pmps, air stones and this post linking mycowilly ?? ..and no pics??
thats all
Like I said, I have no camera, but am trying to get one. You really think I'm just a faker making things up to look cool online? I'll always be willing to talk about my failures and shortcomings. I've had bad luck with monotubs, shoeboxes, and SGFCs so I went off the beaten path and now get great Pan fruits whenever I can get even halfway decent spawn/bulk. I'm experimenting to learn new things about growing Pans that will hopefully better this community. 5 trays just to experiment with no casing. Where are your Pans? Have you ever even grown any successfully? I sure have. Whether or not people believe me is irrelevant.
What do you have to say about Tektonic's grow, which also uses pumps and airstones? I always use that as a great example of why PMPs work, since it's probably the best PMP grow on this site. You're not impressed with wet caps that don't abort, and fruits that are among the most robust Panaeolus fruits on this entire site?
Plus, despite Willy's faults, that's a solid pasteurization tek. It's clearly based on RR's pasteurization tek which I couldn't find a link to so I used that one which is also very solid. It's because of Willy Myco specifically that I'm back in this hobby and have had the greatest experiences of my life with higher end species.
If you were trying to discredit me, you should've linked this post: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25639097
Edited by Its All Energy (12/12/18 12:13 PM)
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mullugh
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nube424]
#25674386 - 12/12/18 12:22 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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nube424 said: How's the trip going?
Sorry for late reply, the first hour or so was hard work. Getting told off for selfish decisions and quite a hard body high, then it settled into quite an energised trip. Funnily enough, I started doing tai chi to break out of the body load/discomfort and it worked well. Might be a good tip for others...I have no training, just watched a YouTube video and it felt quite natural, almost like I could see and feel my chi. I think I could maybe do even more next time. Impressive potency and I look forward to getting more of a feel for their vibe. I'm bored with PE for now.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mullugh]
#25674444 - 12/12/18 12:52 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there a consensus on casing after colonisation of substrate? I'm doing two boxes side by side at the moment, one cased and one not cased so I'll make observations... I just wondered with the overlay issues.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mullugh]
#25674448 - 12/12/18 12:54 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm also finding that my first box is all about the side pins now it's had its first flush. Any tips here?
I just misted the surface after the flush, didn't bottom water or anything. Still very happy with it all having said all that; given its my first successful attempt.
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mushboy
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Its All Energy said: You really think I'm just a faker making things up to look cool online?
well i do now. but i just wanted to see pans in a pmp
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nobody83
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mushboy]
#25674825 - 12/12/18 03:25 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its All Energy said: You really think I'm just a faker making things up to look cool online?
well i do now. but i just wanted to see pans in a pmp
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Appalachian Brony
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Its All Energy said:
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mushboy said: pmps, air stones and this post linking mycowilly ?? ..and no pics??
thats all
Like I said, I have no camera, but am trying to get one. You really think I'm just a faker making things up to look cool online? I'll always be willing to talk about my failures and shortcomings. I've had bad luck with monotubs, shoeboxes, and SGFCs so I went off the beaten path and now get great Pan fruits whenever I can get even halfway decent spawn/bulk. I'm experimenting to learn new things about growing Pans that will hopefully better this community. 5 trays just to experiment with no casing. Where are your Pans? Have you ever even grown any successfully? I sure have. Whether or not people believe me is irrelevant.
What do you have to say about Tektonic's grow, which also uses pumps and airstones? I always use that as a great example of why PMPs work, since it's probably the best PMP grow on this site. You're not impressed with wet caps that don't abort, and fruits that are among the most robust Panaeolus fruits on this entire site?
Plus, despite Willy's faults, that's a solid pasteurization tek. It's clearly based on RR's pasteurization tek which I couldn't find a link to so I used that one which is also very solid. It's because of Willy Myco specifically that I'm back in this hobby and have had the greatest experiences of my life with higher end species.
If you were trying to discredit me, you should've linked this post: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25639097
Not sure what to say about that link...
but what kind of yields are you getting with the pmp? And do you not have a camera on your phone?
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thats it im getting me a youtube channel
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Re: Which method should I use to grow these??? [Re: tripdawg420]
#25675070 - 12/12/18 05:15 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's keep this discussion to all things pans, fuckers.
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Its All Energy
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Appalachian Brony said: Not sure what to say about that link...
but what kind of yields are you getting with the pmp? And do you not have a camera on your phone?
I don't feel the need to do that to myself now that I know to stay hydrated to be able to puke easily. I'll miss how sexy those showers were, but I'd much rather just puke and purge.
I never kept records, but I'd estimate at least 80g wet from Pan Cyan Jamaicans that contaminated prematurely after 1.5 flushes, and well over 100g wet from Pan Bisporus over the course 4-5 flushes. Each tray had 1 qt spawn and 2 qts bulk.
My phone is the cheapest prepaid phone one can get. It can't connect to my computer as it doesn't have a usb cord, just a regular plug in charger outlet. I tried looking into sending them to an email, but I ended up getting my phone app blocked and it got tedious as fuck so I gave up on that bullshit.
I'll just stop posting until I get a fukken camera then.
Edited by Its All Energy (12/12/18 05:40 PM)
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Appalachian Brony
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Its All Energy said:
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Appalachian Brony said: Not sure what to say about that link...
but what kind of yields are you getting with the pmp? And do you not have a camera on your phone?
I don't feel the need to do that to myself now that I know to stay hydrated to be able to puke easily. I'll miss how sexy those showers were, but I'd much rather just puke and purge.
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Its All Energy said: I never kept records, but I'd estimate at least 80g wet from Pan Cyan Jamaicans that contaminated prematurely after 1.5 flushes, and well over 100g wet from Pan Bisporus over the course 4-5 flushes. Each tray had 1 qt spawn and 2 qts bulk.
My phone is the cheapest prepaid phone one can get. It can't connect to my computer as it doesn't have a usb cord, just a regular plug in charger outlet. I tried looking into sending them to an email, but I ended up getting my phone app blocked and it got tedious as fuck so I gave up on that bullshit.
I'll just stop posting until I get a fukken camera then.
I wasn't tryn to be a dick about the camera I was just wonderin cause most phones have cameras. That's legit though, I tried cyan and bisporus in shoeboxs fruited in a mono last year and only the bisporus fruited. I got about the same yield from the same spawn and sub as you. I had very spotty flushes, and the caps had some red in them. I think it was bluehelix that made a thread about that indicating poor conditions. I'd like to run them again but not sure if I should swap micropore for poly to dial in the mono easier, or try another FC. PMPs get a lot of hate cause they're a waste for cubes, but if they work better for pans I would fuck around. It seems like the best grows in this thread are in greenhouses, and it would be dope to get those results in something scaled down to tubsize.
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