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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Brain Bulb]
#25661931 - 12/06/18 03:20 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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It'd be nice if you could get a nice uniform coverage before you case it, you are real close now,
So excited for you!
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SunnyDayze
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Got my pan jam print in the mail!
Putting some spores to agar in the morning. I’ll try not to ask too many questions 😝
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SunnyDayze]
#25662741 - 12/06/18 09:00 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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dmar



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nobody83]
#25662757 - 12/06/18 09:07 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm about to spawn a couple rye jars tomorrow using Hpoo and CVG. I don't have any peat moss for Jiffy mix... Could I use Coco or Verm for the casing layer or do I really need to go get peat moss?
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: dmar]
#25662813 - 12/06/18 09:50 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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You could do coco & verm for the case. Peat is more inert than coir, ideally you want the case to be devoid of nutrition so its safer to use peat. Coir increases chance of getting a contamination in the case but not by much. IDK, it depends on how risk averse you are.
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nobody83
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From the knowledge i have gathered plus IME mold will germinate on peat but doesn't on coir in most cases unless it's already been compromised by other means
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mary fairchild said: You could do coco & verm for the case. Peat is more inert than coir, ideally you want the case to be devoid of nutrition so its safer to use peat. Coir increases chance of getting a contamination in the case but not by much. IDK, it depends on how risk averse you are.
That's all i've been doing with my casing layer for my cubes, and (knock on wood) I haven't had any contams so far doing it that way. So if I case with 1:1 Coco:Verm, basically i'm doing this exactly like my cubes. Only difference is that i'm adding Hpoo in place of most of my CVG in the sub... Interesting.
Also, in regard to the casing materials, if you want a non-nutritious casing layer, why not use just plain verm? This has had me confused for quite some time.
And do you case it at spawn or after a period of colonization? I'm assuming at spawn would be better to avoid contams, right?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SunnyDayze]
#25662886 - 12/06/18 10:59 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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SunnyDayze said: Got my pan jam print in the mail!
Putting some spores to agar in the morning. I’ll try not to ask too many questions 😝

I only have spore solution in vial that's over 2 years old and I have zero germination in 2 weeks. Doesn't look like anything will grow on those plates :/
Need me a Pan print, let me know if you want to pass that print around and I'll do the same for someone else after I get germination
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: dmar]
#25662890 - 12/06/18 11:01 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry guys casing Can you use straight verm Also peat is that the palm peat blocks? That looks like coco coir bricks?
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nobody83
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
#25663000 - 12/07/18 01:42 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mateah said:
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SunnyDayze said: Got my pan jam print in the mail!
Putting some spores to agar in the morning. I’ll try not to ask too many questions 😝

I only have spore solution in vial that's over 2 years old and I have zero germination in 2 weeks. Doesn't look like anything will grow on those plates :/
Need me a Pan print, let me know if you want to pass that print around and I'll do the same for someone else after I get germination 
Don't give up on it to soon...i didn't get germination on the current pan cyan culture I'm working with three months after inoculation and it turns out it's the best culture I've had the privilege to work with so far. Is almost as vigorous as oysters. Just have to see how it fruits. Good luck to ya bud
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: nobody83]
#25663084 - 12/07/18 03:59 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks. Last time I had 1 germination in 16 inoc spots. This time I made 20 inoc spots but I feel I should have made 40 :/ :2weekswasted:
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SunnyDayze
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
#25663236 - 12/07/18 07:11 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mateah said:
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SunnyDayze said: Got my pan jam print in the mail!
Putting some spores to agar in the morning. I’ll try not to ask too many questions 😝

I only have spore solution in vial that's over 2 years old and I have zero germination in 2 weeks. Doesn't look like anything will grow on those plates :/
Need me a Pan print, let me know if you want to pass that print around and I'll do the same for someone else after I get germination 
Message me, I’d be happy to share! It has 3 little prints in the foil which is more than enough, I’ll just cut one off.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SunnyDayze]
#25663261 - 12/07/18 07:32 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh I don't need a whole print just send me two spores can you put both in a plastic bag for me? Pick out two good ones 
Yo but seriously, thanks a lot man. I'll pm you my spore library see if there's something you fancy. The furthest I've gotten with Pans is 80-90% colonized WBS. That culture was pale blue most of its life. Didn't resemble anything I've seen in cult forums before. 
Starting from a print is so easy compsred to spore solutions. !
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
#25663272 - 12/07/18 07:39 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used WBS when I first started cubes. I found I just couldn’t see well enough to recognize what was good and bad with my noob eyes. I now exclusively use oats but if there is a better option, like WBS, I am open to suggestions. My noob eyes are a bit more focused lol (still not focused enough to see two f#$king spores though! 😂)
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: dmar]
#25663374 - 12/07/18 08:54 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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dmar said:
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mary fairchild said: You could do coco & verm for the case. Peat is more inert than coir, ideally you want the case to be devoid of nutrition so its safer to use peat. Coir increases chance of getting a contamination in the case but not by much. IDK, it depends on how risk averse you are.
That's all i've been doing with my casing layer for my cubes, and (knock on wood) I haven't had any contams so far doing it that way. So if I case with 1:1 Coco:Verm, basically i'm doing this exactly like my cubes. Only difference is that i'm adding Hpoo in place of most of my CVG in the sub... Interesting.
Also, in regard to the casing materials, if you want a non-nutritious casing layer, why not use just plain verm? This has had me confused for quite some time.
And do you case it at spawn or after a period of colonization? I'm assuming at spawn would be better to avoid contams, right?
Why use peat in the case? a big reason is tradition- the use of peat is taken from button mushroom growers and it also works. Peat gives the case a more soil like consistency than verm alone. The addition of verm (the 50/50+ recipe) actually came later- Riche Hawke. I never tried verm alone but i'm sure somebody has at some point but since you dont see verm alone being used regularly its probably not optimal.
For the grow path you are doing- like a typical cube grow you mix your grain spawn with substrate in a tray or tub or what ever you are using. I always do my Pan grows in trays- so following the standard path you want the spawn to colonize the substrate completely before you add the casing layer and take it to fruiting conditions. So you add the case when you want to shift the mycelia to fruiting conditions.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mateja]
#25663637 - 12/07/18 11:52 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mateah said: Oh I don't need a whole print just send me two spores can you put both in a plastic bag for me? Pick out two good ones 
Yo but seriously, thanks a lot man. I'll pm you my spore library see if there's something you fancy. The furthest I've gotten with Pans is 80-90% colonized WBS. That culture was pale blue most of its life. Didn't resemble anything I've seen in cult forums before. 
Starting from a print is so easy compsred to spore solutions. !
That sounds like like what mine is looking like
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dmar



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mary fairchild said:
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dmar said:
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mary fairchild said: You could do coco & verm for the case. Peat is more inert than coir, ideally you want the case to be devoid of nutrition so its safer to use peat. Coir increases chance of getting a contamination in the case but not by much. IDK, it depends on how risk averse you are.
That's all i've been doing with my casing layer for my cubes, and (knock on wood) I haven't had any contams so far doing it that way. So if I case with 1:1 Coco:Verm, basically i'm doing this exactly like my cubes. Only difference is that i'm adding Hpoo in place of most of my CVG in the sub... Interesting.
Also, in regard to the casing materials, if you want a non-nutritious casing layer, why not use just plain verm? This has had me confused for quite some time.
And do you case it at spawn or after a period of colonization? I'm assuming at spawn would be better to avoid contams, right?
Why use peat in the case? a big reason is tradition- the use of peat is taken from button mushroom growers and it also works. Peat gives the case a more soil like consistency than verm alone. The addition of verm (the 50/50+ recipe) actually came later- Riche Hawke. I never tried verm alone but i'm sure somebody has at some point but since you dont see verm alone being used regularly its probably not optimal.
For the grow path you are doing- like a typical cube grow you mix your grain spawn with substrate in a tray or tub or what ever you are using. I always do my Pan grows in trays- so following the standard path you want the spawn to colonize the substrate completely before you add the casing layer and take it to fruiting conditions. So you add the case when you want to shift the mycelia to fruiting conditions.
I see. So i'm going to do a 50:50 Coco:Verm casing and only apply it at full colonization. Thank you for your wisdom
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: dmar]
#25663695 - 12/07/18 12:28 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's what I thought. Good to know.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: dmar]
#25663697 - 12/07/18 12:29 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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38g first flush. Will try 12g tonight I think
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mullugh]
#25663699 - 12/07/18 12:30 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do it
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