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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25425987 - 08/31/18 10:53 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

BH, just want to make sure I understand your GH setup.

What are your upper/lower limits set to on your temp and humidity controllers. I always seem to
be dicking around with my settings and I still don't think I have it dialed in just right.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #25426058 - 08/31/18 11:28 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I do not first cook the WBS nor do I recommend it.  If you cook it first, you will encourage exploded grains in the pressure cooking, which you don't want.  Besides that, you can still test for 65% moisture with the grains in the mix.  Take a 20g sample of the mix.  Dehydrate in the microwave (taking care to not burn the sample).  The final dry mix should be 7g.  Generally, I don't even bother with that step, but if you are dealing with new manure and don't have a great feel for how a substrate should feel, you might want to do so.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] * 1
    #25426064 - 08/31/18 11:31 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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BH, just want to make sure I understand your GH setup.

What are your upper/lower limits set to on your temp and humidity controllers. I always seem to
be dicking around with my settings and I still don't think I have it dialed in just right.




I set the temperature for a floor of about 78F.  The top temperature is usually under 80F.  The humidity level depends on how much circulation you have in the growth chamber.  If you have quite a bit like a PC fan in there somewhere, I'd dial it to about 98% RH during fruiting and keep it around 100% between pinning.  98% might sound like too much, but keep in mind that it doesn't take much under 100% to encourage proper cap development in a chamber with some air movement.  If you have almost no air movement, like say in a greenhouse, you might dial the humidity back to 95%.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Blue Helix] * 1
    #25426139 - 08/31/18 12:12 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for sharing- I hope you don't mind some more questions,

I dont know if I missed this but I'm curious about the lighting- do you have separate lights for each shelf & are the lights inside the GH- looks like they are wrapped in something.  Are the lights fluorescents?

What kind of humidifier do you use? Do you have a pic of how it is plumbed to the GH? Are you collecting the drip water in plastic wrapped around the base of the GH- if so have you ever had a leak?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
    #25426673 - 08/31/18 04:55 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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So you put the prints on paper just to see how it looked- then decided to to just go for in and put it on agar.




I once had a two year old map and some letters that I must have printed on at some point out hiking/tripping. It sounds like something I'd do on mushrooms.

Anyway, I was able to get them to germinate and cleaned up. It's not impossible it's just not easy. It was certainly the best way for me to learn agar and how to clean it up. I was not letting spores from 500+ miles away go to waste! What a chore tho. If I wasn't learning at the time I'd say it was a pain.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
    #25426752 - 08/31/18 05:27 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Hi, Mary.  The lights have varied over the years, and honestly, except for pictures and aesthetics, I have not noticed any particular benefits. On the lower intensity side of things I've tried over the years--which I really recommend--in the picture you can see outdoor LED icicle lights.  I just spread the icicles out over the shelf and put the trays over them.  They shine down on the next level.  They provided a reasonably good white light without producing too much heat (I think the whole strand was 5W or something).  Lately, I've been running with LED strips that are protected from the water via vinyl tubing I got at the hardware store.  These are kind of nice because for $10 they came with a remote control to change the intensity and the color of the light.  I think the key for lighting is - do not heat the chamber up too much.  I would avoid any tungsten filament bulbs in the chamber except as heaters.  In fact, I use a red 40W heat bulb on the bottom with a PC fan pointed at it to heat the chamber.  I have also used fluorescents, but they tend to be too much heat to put the tube directly in there.  I used them above the entire setup, though.  One thing I don't like about that is that the shelves above tend to shadow the ones below, and while I don't think it reduced yield, it didn't look as nice.

I use an ultrasonic humidifier that pumps misty air into PVC pipes (one per shelf) that run widthwise across the chamber (each pipe is zip tied to the shelf above it).  The mist leaves the PVC in holes I've drilled.  The pictures here don't show that because the per-shelf misting feature is a more recent addition (like the LED light strips are). Also, a little clip on PC fan (they connect to USB cable) to help circulate air and the mist.  The key is to NEVER blow anything directly on the casing.  That is a bad idea, especially for this very petite species.  When the ultrasonic turns off, I still introduce air through it.  I've attached a PC fan flush to the air intake of the humidifier (again not shown) so when its squirrel cage fan turns off along with the humidifier (on a switch), fresh air still flows in and through the pipes (albeit very slowly which is desirable).

The ultrasonic mist does cause the floor to gather water, but it's not much.  I just use a painter's plastic cover on the floor with the edges up a little by putting a board under them and around the chamber.  If any water pools down here, I can clean it up when the run is through.  I have never had a leak, but I'm careful to not move stuff around the floor either.  I also use, if I recall, two or three layers just to be safe since this is over the carpet, and if there was a leak, it would ruin the carpet I'm sure.

Here are a couple more pictures of it:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Blue Helix]
    #25426769 - 08/31/18 05:34 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

So, the 40w bulbs you use for heating are outside of the chamber or inside? If inside, how do
you keep it waterproof?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25426806 - 08/31/18 05:49 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

The 40W light bulb is inside the chamber only about an inch off the floor, and yes, it is exposed to a very slight amount of mist (but not even close to the amount necessary to break the bulb).  The bottom shelf of the chamber now has insulation lining it to protect the trays on the bottom shelf from any excessive heat.  Of course, that insulation alone wouldn't even come close to what would be needed (it's just R5 stuff), so the most important part of using a bulb like that is to buy some kind of PC fan you can blow on it whenever it is on.  Here is a good example of a cheap one if you don't want to wire something up yourself (you'll still need a USB extender, though, and USB power box like what comes for a cell phone):

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Breeze-Mobile-Flexible-Portable/dp/B003XN24GY/

Just think of the heat coming off that bulb as dry, intensely hot air, so it's up to you to spread it out.

As far as all of this running on 120V with water all about, it could be dangerous.  Just like running pumps in an aquarium or a hairdryer is dangerous.  That is solved using a GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupter).  You must have one for a setup like this to be even remotely safe, and I'd strongly recommend anyone doing this kind of thing use one.  Either replace a receptacle in your wall with one (they run about $12) or buy a box like this:

https://www.amazon.com/AUKEY-Outlet-Adapter-Protection-Appliances/dp/B01M1IXSPV

I have actually tripped GFCIs at least twice when I used to work on aquaria for a living.  The second of power that was delivered (I think they trip around 20mA) was not very pleasant but quite survivable.  Had I not been using a GFCI, there is a very small chance I might not be writing this.  You'd best use one if you start putting light bulbs in misty chambers and hooking up switches that you might have accidentally shorted out on the wire frame, etc.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Blue Helix]
    #25426964 - 08/31/18 06:50 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Might be worth throwing some perlite at the bottom to catch extra moisture and not leave pooling water?

Amazing stuff bud. Giving hope for spreading these babies, that red spore mutant is one of a kind, damn


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: FishLevelMidnight]
    #25427353 - 08/31/18 09:53 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah with the humidity switch I almost never get pooling water.  If I did, the humidity switch would turn off sensing the humidity from it and it would evaporate since there is a PC fan down there.  I sometimes get a tiny bit of water on the floor, but it's very minor, more like a damp area than a pool


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Blue Helix] * 2
    #25427641 - 09/01/18 01:34 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Here are some recent Jamaican Pan Cyans that will be part of a future thread comparing a pan cyan substrate with 27% rice bran (this run) versus my usual 20% WBS (per dry weight) on its effect on casing overlay which limits the biological efficiency of the run.  As I mentioned the higher supplementation with rice bran (flour) creates very strong colonization at the expense of suffocating the substrate somewhat (it closes itself off basically).  For now, though, you can see what an overlaid casing can do (it's still good but in my experience reduces yield by about 50%). 

These pictures are of Pan Cyans (Jamacians), day 7 post-casing, the first flush, about 12 to 24 hours before harvest (bear in mind that typically the second flush is better with this technique):



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Blue Helix]
    #25427805 - 09/01/18 05:22 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Ate some pans today and spent a lot of it thinking about this thread. Thanks so much Blue Helix for all the knowledge you’re sharing, and to all the others in here who do too :thumbup:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
    #25428007 - 09/01/18 08:25 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Ate some pans today and spent a lot of it thinking about this thread. Thanks so much Blue Helix for all the knowledge you’re sharing, and to all the others in here who do too :thumbup:




Hope that was a good experience.  And I'm so thankful all the folks here growing these little guys!  My favorite things about Pan Cyans are that they are fast colonizers and have a high potency!  No other mushrooms out there I know about can bring on hundreds of trips with a little effort in 3 weeks like that.  Cubensis, a beautiful, stately mushroom in its own right, just falls short of the mighty little Panaeolus Cyanescens in my opinion!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Blue Helix]
    #25428013 - 09/01/18 08:33 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Im eager to learn more to swith to pans after experiencing growing  cubies.
One more appealing for me interms of pans, is that ive red they can tolerate higher temps than cube being them a fast colonizer. Seems bonus for me in a tropical climate where I live..


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Blue Helix] * 1
    #25428092 - 09/01/18 09:37 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Ate some pans today and spent a lot of it thinking about this thread. Thanks so much Blue Helix for all the knowledge you’re sharing, and to all the others in here who do too :thumbup:




Hope that was a good experience.  And I'm so thankful all the folks here growing these little guys!  My favorite things about Pan Cyans are that they are fast colonizers and have a high potency!  No other mushrooms out there I know about can bring on hundreds of trips with a little effort in 3 weeks like that.  Cubensis, a beautiful, stately mushroom in its own right, just falls short of the mighty little Panaeolus Cyanescens in my opinion!




The fact they are such fast colonizers is great when you are learning how to grow them. I've
done 4 grows this year in a 4 month period. Each time a little better than the last. You just
can't get that turnaround with cubes.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
    #25428364 - 09/01/18 12:11 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I've not noticed them to be fast colonizers at all....perhaps I'm doing something wrong. My PE seems to be noticeably faster.
I spent yesterday getting a load of agar ready and prepping some LC's ....maybe the LC is the key. I've been doing agar wedges to grain until now.


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    #25428570 - 09/01/18 02:04 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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Ate some pans today and spent a lot of it thinking about this thread. Thanks so much Blue Helix for all the knowledge you’re sharing, and to all the others in here who do too :thumbup:




Hope that was a good experience.  And I'm so thankful all the folks here growing these little guys!  My favorite things about Pan Cyans are that they are fast colonizers and have a high potency!  No other mushrooms out there I know about can bring on hundreds of trips with a little effort in 3 weeks like that.  Cubensis, a beautiful, stately mushroom in its own right, just falls short of the mighty little Panaeolus Cyanescens in my opinion!




The fact they are such fast colonizers is great when you are learning how to grow them. I've
done 4 grows this year in a 4 month period. Each time a little better than the last. You just
can't get that turnaround with cubes.



:rockon: a monthly harvest.


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    #25428577 - 09/01/18 02:07 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I've not noticed them to be fast colonizers at all....perhaps I'm doing something wrong. My PE seems to be noticeably faster.
I spent yesterday getting a load of agar ready and prepping some LC's ....maybe the LC is the key. I've been doing agar wedges to grain until now.



Pure grain that is? Have you tried mixing grain with poo?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: pacmanbreed]
    #25429855 - 09/02/18 02:19 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

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I've not noticed them to be fast colonizers at all....perhaps I'm doing something wrong. My PE seems to be noticeably faster.
I spent yesterday getting a load of agar ready and prepping some LC's ....maybe the LC is the key. I've been doing agar wedges to grain until now.



Pure grain that is? Have you tried mixing grain with poo?




I've not mixed with poo for the inoculation stage...is this the way forward? I'll have to experiment with this asap.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mullugh]
    #25429873 - 09/02/18 02:42 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Even with straight grain they are quicker than cubes ime. But there probably are other variables at play. LC is insanely fast though. I was a bit heavy with my pours the other day and used more than usual - probably used too much because the grains appeared wet and needed considerable shaking and jiggling around to spread the LC out and prevent it pooling on the bottom of the jar. Anyway they look alright now. There was visible growth all through it within 24hrs. I expect at this rate they may be fully colonized within 5 days, unless there there is too much moisture in there of course - might have screwed it up :tongue:


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