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Poison Drink


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Freeman] 1
#25308614 - 07/04/18 05:12 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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My 100% unpasteurized worm castings substrate experiment has most likely ended prematurely. My cat was chasing a bug around, and in doing so knocked down the FC from a table. 
Before this occurrence, the experiment was still going strong. Each day I harvested a couple grams, since it was continuously popping out new mushrooms and growing fast. I tried to puzzle the broken substrate together again as good as possible and gave it a watering. Let's see if it pulls through. I was able to make a couple of decent prints, and most likely harvested enough for a single dose. This is not the end of my trials with unpasteurized worm castings though. Hopefully, I have inspired other people to test it out.
I decided against feeding the worm bin stalled out Panaeolus jars at this time, because I wouldn't be able to use it unpasteurized for future endeavors. I do have some other Psilocybes colonizing 100% unpasteurized worm castings, so the saga will most likely continue..
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25308710 - 07/04/18 06:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bad Kitty! Still very impressive- hopefully you can still get a good yield- after all you dont have to worry about the cake getting dirty or being stepped on by your cat because its already loaded with microbes from the raw worm castings.
BTW- Couldn't pure worm castings be applied to exotics and cubes?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25308762 - 07/04/18 07:17 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Contamination isn't really my fear. It landed upright with the lid still on, so it didn't spill onto the floor. But I thought the mycelial structure would suffer from being broken up if it was already fruiting? I harvested just shy of 10 grams of fresh Pan. cyanescens up to now. I read they can be extremely potent, so I wasn't going to take more than 1 gram dry anyway to begin with.
I'm also growing Ps. cubensis 'PESH' and a cloned 'Ps. Atlantis' in exactly the same setup. The Ps. cubensis has colonized the entire worm castings substrate and is in fruiting conditions for a couple of days now. I'm waiting for it to start pinning. The 'Ps. Atlantis' FC is still in a bag in the dark, since I applied a thin 'casing' layer of worm castings yesterday.
It's hard to judge when the worm castings substrate is completely colonized for the Panaeolus and the 'Ps. Atlantis'. Their mycelium isn't strong enough to penetrate through the worm castings. It only seems to grow in the crevices. This in contrast to the Ps. cubensis. That substrate is completely colonized and is white throughout. By the way, the little Ps. cubensis FC likewise fell on the floor, but came out unharmed. Maybe I could add some coir for the exotics in future endeavors.
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mary fairchild
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25308891 - 07/04/18 08:59 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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A lot of things to think about and play with. Lighten it up with coir, straw or verm maybe.
I would have thought that a sub made of pure worm castings would be too dense, esp. for the more "delicate" mycelia of Pans- but in the end results are what counts.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25309177 - 07/05/18 02:39 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Youve inspired 100% to try this brother poison soon, since worms,larvae,ants,insects are my 1st hobbies. Need to setup those bins once again. Will try to experiment ligthen it up w/ pastured straw like mary adviced.
Ive red that you mostly age your casting under the sun. Did you aged the casting for this pan tubs?
I think ive missed to read it.
Edited by pacmanbreed (07/05/18 02:44 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: pacmanbreed] 1
#25309290 - 07/05/18 05:53 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used the worm castings straight out of the bin. If you dry it first, you will most likely loose some microbial activity. And I would think it's impossible to hydrate dried castings again without it getting muddy.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25309299 - 07/05/18 06:00 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the response brother.
Seems logical. My larvae composter seems to grow inkycaps whenever i harvest their frass then placed straight in a bin. Will feed their frass to wormbin to be used as bulk.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: pacmanbreed]
#25309568 - 07/05/18 10:01 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm wanting to try the worm castings with azures...just for the hell of it.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25309639 - 07/05/18 10:51 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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You mean to add microbial activity into your wood based substrate to fruit Ps. azurescens? I added a couple handfuls of worm castings to my outdoor Ps. cyanescens bin, precisely for this purpose.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25309721 - 07/05/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poison Drink said: You mean to add microbial activity into your wood based substrate to fruit Ps. azurescens? I added a couple handfuls of worm castings to my outdoor Ps. cyanescens bin, precisely for this purpose.
Yes exactly. I think azures are mycorrhizal. I'd try the worm castings along with my usual "put the bed near a tree" technique.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura]
#25312682 - 07/07/18 12:38 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Any chance these could be pans? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I found an old, unlabeled spore syringe and took it to agar -> grain and this is what's growing. I have several shoeboxes and they are all looking like this. I was originally about to toss these tubs because they had the whispy myc on top that I thought was going to go green, and then it never did so I kept them and remembered I made a pan syringe a long time ago. Thought it may be pans due to the whispy myc.
When these grew with orange caps I thought they def were just cubes, but the fruits are so tiny and thin, and this is same in all 6 shoeboxes. Never had cubes grow like this. I still figure they're cubes but I did see some photos in this thread of pans with orange looking caps, so figured I'd ask.
Edit: If they were pans, it would probably be cambodginiensis which I'm reading do have darker colored caps. But could maybe be sub.. I've had a few different pan prints over the years and I can't remember which I used for a syringe.
Edited by pixelpopper (07/07/18 12:53 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: pixelpopper]
#25312761 - 07/07/18 02:32 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those are cubes
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: space_shrooms]
#25313164 - 07/07/18 10:33 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Was hoping for a chance they would be pan cambos bc they looked kind of similar to ones like these, and in all my years of growing cubes I've never seen such shitty fruiting like these shoeboxes are all showing... weird. Ah well... shit luck all around lately
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: pixelpopper]
#25313218 - 07/07/18 11:06 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree with Aicaca. Also, your mushrooms seem to be having a veil, so they're definitely not Panaeolus cambodginiensis.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25313226 - 07/07/18 11:10 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poison Drink said: I agree with Aicaca. Also, your mushrooms seem to be having a veil, so they're definitely not Panaeolus cambodginiensis.
I was wondering about this.. I saw the white veil lines under the caps and figured this was an indication, but I still don't know much about Pans. Thanks
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: pixelpopper]
#25313322 - 07/07/18 12:05 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've noticed this happening with old spores
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25314281 - 07/07/18 11:56 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do pan bis produce sclerotia? I ask because one of my plates I left sitting for a few months I forgot about has something that looks like it could be. Can anyone tell if this is bacteria or sclerotia? I’ve never seen anything like this on any of my other plates ever.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Xerbia]
#25314282 - 07/07/18 11:57 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes they do
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptkaloids]
#25314284 - 07/08/18 12:05 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Yes they do
Do you think what I have is sclerotia? If so is there anything I can do with them to continue growing them out?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Xerbia]
#25314290 - 07/08/18 12:15 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hard to tell as i have no experience. Reminds me of the morel cult thread
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