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pixelpopper
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#25300740 - 06/30/18 11:51 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man I need to get one of these worm bins going, fuckin' awesome!
I always have tons of worms in my soil outside, should be easy to round some up
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink] 1
#25300746 - 06/30/18 11:54 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Be interesting to see what the yield is. As the castings are so nutrient rich, I’d be curious to see how a spwanless run would do, ie, noc’d with LC and no additional supplementation.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
#25300767 - 06/30/18 12:04 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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For an indoor worm bin, I would recommend to buy a bag of compost worms. Most of the garden worms wouldn't enjoy being with a couple hundred of them closely together, or would digest your scraps much more slowly. Not sure if you could use vermicompost from an outdoor worm bin. Texture should tell you a lot.
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Mycolorado said: Be interesting to see what the yield is. As the castings are so nutrient rich, I’d be curious to see how a spwanless run would do, ie, noc’d with LC and no additional supplementation.
Might be an idea for future endeavors.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25300772 - 06/30/18 12:06 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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What about worms from an outdoor compost pile? I've had a large compost pile of lawn clippings, leaves and food scraps going for years
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: pixelpopper]
#25300815 - 06/30/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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No idea if that would work out. I read it's not recommended to use outdoor worms for an indoor bin. But you could go with an outdoor worm bin system, so the worms can come and go as they please. You can feed this with your scraps and maybe get a similar end product. It's not that expensive to buy some red wigglers online though.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25300843 - 06/30/18 12:51 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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The thing with my worm bin is I'm not willing to have it in the house because its also a breeding ground for fungus gnats- or fruit flies or something, they'd be all over the place. Mine's in the basement year round.
Dont you get all the little flying bugs in your bin?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25300891 - 06/30/18 01:18 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always keep enough substrate in my bins so I can cover the food with a thick layer of worm castings. That way, fruit flies can't get to it. I do have colonies of very tiny insects in the bin, but they seem to live in symbiosis with the worms. I also have this pantyhose which fits tightly around the top of my worm bin, so nothing large can get in. Outdoor bins are definitely going to attract a plethora of composting insects.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink] 1
#25300903 - 06/30/18 01:24 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I keep my worm bin in the kitchen by the way. I was just imagining what would happen if I'd inoculate my worm bin with Panaeolus spawn. No idea if it would survive the munching worms though, but I did once have some native small mushrooms growing in it. I have some stalled out Panaeolus jars on overcooked WBS. Hmmm..
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25301156 - 06/30/18 03:47 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats great if you can keep it in your kitchen. I just set up a new bin on top of my old bin- They should be able to migrate up to the food in the new bin thru 1/4" holes on the bottom of it. Then I can harvest the castings in the old bin.
Its really cool that you can do a larger scale grow with such a rich substrate. Throw it in there- if it doesn't work at least the worms have more to eat.
I have a spawn bag of some Galindoi truffles- i'm not interested in that grow anymore so I may just feed that colonized substrate to them.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25301158 - 06/30/18 03:48 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have cyans ready for fruiting but I got a problem, I have some well rotted manure that I sun dried for a week, turned too crumbling dirt and lost all smell by day 3 and Im planning on using it primarely along with a smidge of coir and the usual verm and gyp pasteurised for a couple hours and put to trays. Now, Ive heard pans do well in cased shoebox trays in a mono/sgfc hybrid (monotub filled with perlite with trays placed over) But Im anxious about this manure, Its not field aged and its not leeched, its just been sat in a pile rotting for months, I think Ive done all I can to it by now but I dont want to fuck this up, its my first time with pans too, should I just get some expensive ass manure pellets of ebay or should I risk it with my diy manure dirt lol
 
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: acidninja]
#25301167 - 06/30/18 03:52 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would just go with the shit, mix it with some coir, should be OK
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
#25301214 - 06/30/18 04:28 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its turned into rock solid clumps too so Im probably gunna have to dry blend into a powder for proper hydration. Also about this peat casing, shouldnt you have it NOT pasteurised? Since you dont want myc coling it why add lime and pc it? I was just gunna mix up some perlite and peat and throw it over the sub after knots appear, heavily mist ect
Im also reading about poisons worm bin and wondering if you could use straight worm castings and verm/gyp rather than having to do all this bullshit with manure
Edit: On second thought Im close to a few cow pastures where I get my liberty caps every year, Im wondering if it would be worth it to go scouting round the fields with a glove and a plastic bag and snatching up some premium field aged cow pats, breaking them up and mixing with coir verm addatives, compared too using this clumpy horse dirt.
Edited by acidninja (06/30/18 07:36 PM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: acidninja]
#25301910 - 07/01/18 12:27 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the horse poo is too composted it will just be like soil- very dense. Cow poo is like that too- I worked with cow patties- a real pain to break them up- I soaked them in water to soften them then just broke them up by hand- the final product is denser than hpoo since its more digested by the cow. I ended up using a lower ratio of cow poo to coir, straw, verm (than a hpoo based sub) to lighten it up. Also using powderized hpoo for the substrate- seems like that will just make the sub too dense. The hpoo that I use looks like brown very finely chopped grass or straw rather than powder or dirt.
An overly dense (muddy) sub is more likely to go anaerobic-bad smell.
In the past I got away with not pasteurizing a peat/verm case but the peat could hold microorganisms so its better to pasteurize it. Verm itself should not provide a food source since its inorganic rock but molds, spores could still be present. Lime is to counteract the acidity of the peat- overly acidic case will promote bacteria. You want PH~ 7.5.
As far as Poisons result- can you get some fresh worm castings? if so, give it a try. It looked like maybe he had a layer of castings over the spawn/casting mix- but not sure of that. Its really surprising that the mycelia didn't just colonize the top of the worm castings, rather the mycelia went to fruiting. What makes his result so interesting is that fresh unpasteurized worm castings are loaded with microorganisms- maybe the 1:1 ratio of spawn to castings allowed the mycelia to outcompete the other micro-biota? The lack of a case is also surprising to me because normally the case provides a microclimate/ water source right at the surface that seems to be needed for good primordia development of Pans. but he didn't need it.
Edited by mary fairchild (07/01/18 12:35 AM)
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25302007 - 07/01/18 03:34 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've just inoculated 3 rye mason jars with pan cyan multi spore from a vendor. This I suppose counts as my first attempt with what I hope is a reliable, clean syringe.
Last few months I've been trying to revive old prints and getting lots of demoralizing green mould....
I really hope this works now as I'm desperate for these little guys as an alternative to cubes.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: mary fairchild]
#25302060 - 07/01/18 05:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright I threw together 2 trays using the home dried/composted manure + some coir-verm-gyp ect. This is them 24 hrs later, they seem to be colonising but very weak and only the exposed grains seem to show any sign of growth, Im guessing this is because of the muddy sub
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mary fairchild said: An overly dense (muddy) sub is more likely to go anaerobic-bad smell.
This is exactly what I have, the consistency is some what semi-mud and both trays smell aweful, not like contam aweful but more like rotten apples or grass, it still has that shit smell to it, but not fresh.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: acidninja]
#25302215 - 07/01/18 08:36 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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So the first 'flush' isn't really that impressive. A lot of the pins haven't grown yet though. I'm hoping they will once the mature ones are harvested. I did cover the spawn-substrate mixture with a tiny layer of worm castings.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25302272 - 07/01/18 09:30 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are worm castings basically what you get out of a wormary?
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Poison Drink]
#25302305 - 07/01/18 09:50 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poison Drink said: I spawned some Pan. cyanescens 'Hawaii' to 100% freshly harvested worm castings straight from the worm bin. So no bringing to field capacity, no pasteurization, no casing layer. This was just an experiment, but it seems to work out alright. The worm castings are very water retentive, so I won't have to spray them now that they're pinning.

   
This is incredible research brothaaa...I can not believe I am looking at that type of pinset on an unpasteurized, uncased substrate, with no contamination!!
Dude if this tests out...you just made yourself a legend in the Pan community!!!
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Peteyboy]
#25302722 - 07/01/18 01:42 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Managed to scavenge nearly 5 kilos of rock solid crispy, field aged cow pats! The stuff has almost identical consistency too coir, full of dead grass so I wont need to use straw to fluff it up and, it actually smells pleasant, like sweet earthy wood Lets see how this compares with a bit of verm
 Wild mycelium already beating me too it
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: acidninja]
#25303224 - 07/01/18 06:57 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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Growing out a new spore print of pan Australian most of my dishes came out clean but they all look very thin and wispy I understand Australian is supposed to look like this
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